USO 2009 QF: Nadal vs Gonzalez

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TennisandMusic

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That would be crazy if Gonzo won the set. Nadal kinda had the upper hand before the thing blew onto the court. Not that he would have won that point, but he had a good chance.
 
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TennisandMusic

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norbac said:
I saw it in....
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Well I saw it out, both in trajectory off the racquet and in. Heck did you see how surprised Gonzo was at the result?

But no harm really, just sometimes Hawkeye is obviously off.
 
Ambivalent

Ambivalent

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TennisandMusic said:
Well I saw it out, both in trajectory off the racquet and in. Heck did you see how surprised Gonzo was at the result?

But no harm really, just sometimes Hawkeye is obviously off.
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Gonzo was surprised at it being called out. I saw it in. Hawkeye has been tested and is basically never wrong.
 
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TennisandMusic

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Ambivalent said:
Gonzo was surprised at it being called out. I saw it in. Hawkeye has been tested and is basically never wrong.
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No Gonzo was surprised after the result was showing.

And the bolded part is certainly not true.
 
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NamRanger

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TennisandMusic said:
Well I saw it out, both in trajectory off the racquet and in. Heck did you see how surprised Gonzo was at the result?

But no harm really, just sometimes Hawkeye is obviously off.
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So you agree that Hawkeye can be off? Well, pretty sure I've been saying that for a very long time.
 
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TennisandMusic

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NamRanger said:
So you agree that Hawkeye can be off? Well, pretty sure I've been saying that for a very long time.
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Oh definitely. I've seen it screw just about all the big players at one point or another. It's "fun" but it's certainly not perfect, I would think anyone who watches matches regularly would know that. All the players say so too.
 
Fay

Fay

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Did anyone see Gonzo hit Rafa in the STOMACH on a warm up serve ...

he went way to the wrong court to do that ... what a jerk !
 
Ambivalent

Ambivalent

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TennisandMusic said:
Oh definitely. I've seen it screw just about all the big players at one point or another. It's "fun" but it's certainly not perfect, I would think anyone who watches matches regularly would know that. All the players say so too.
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Technology > Human Eye.

Can you see ultraviolet light? Or a hummingbird wings flap? No. But technology can.
 
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TennisandMusic

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Ambivalent said:
Technology > Human Eye.

Can you see ultraviolet light? Or a hummingbird wings flap? No. But technology can.
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And there are plenty of things humans can do that technology can't. I make my living in the tech world I know about this stuff come on...

What is going on here? I see NO rain why are they stopping play? Nadal looks annoyed.
 
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NamRanger

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Ambivalent said:
Technology > Human Eye.

Can you see ultraviolet light? Or a hummingbird wings flap? No. But technology can.
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First of all, there are too many things that can go wrong with Hawkeye. Anyone who knows anything indepth about technology knows that Hawkeye can really go off due to a number of factors, including lighting, blind spots, humidity, and all other sorts of factors.


Not including like horrible screw-ups by the Hawkeye operators like the ones that happened to Ljubicic this year.



Remember what Hawkeye is. It's an estimate of where the ball is based on information taken in. However, anyone who has taken a basic science course knows how inaccurate that can be. The best way to do it IMO is super high speed cameras lined up with the lines.
 
JennyS

JennyS

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So do the fans want Rafa or Gonzo to fall and injury themselves?! I thought they liked late matches!
 
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TennisandMusic

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NamRanger said:
First of all, there are too many things that can go wrong with Hawkeye. Anyone who knows anything indepth about technology knows that Hawkeye can really go off due to a number of factors, including lighting, blind spots, humidity, and all other sorts of factors.


Not including like horrible screw-ups by the Hawkeye operators like the ones that happened to Ljubicic this year.
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The one where they tracked the entirely wrong ball bounce?

Exactly...I used to trumpet that "technology is perfect!" stuff when I was a teenager. It's completely bogus though.
 
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NamRanger

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TennisandMusic said:
The one where they tracked the entirely wrong ball bounce?

Exactly...I used to trumpet that "technology is perfect!" stuff when I was a teenager. It's completely bogus though.
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Technology is fine as long as it's not gimmicky. Hawkeye however is way too gimmicky. It's an estimation of where the ball is based on information taken in from the cameras. It's just a really accurate estimation. However, it's still an ESTIMATION. People don't seem to understand that.
 
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TennisandMusic

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NamRanger said:
Technology is fine as long as it's not gimmicky. Hawkeye however is way too gimmicky. It's an estimation of where the ball is based on information taken in from the cameras. It's just a really accurate estimation. However, it's still an ESTIMATION. People don't seem to understand that.
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Hey I totally agree, tech is great, but like you said Hawkeye is not perfect. And from time to time it can be pretty far off.
 
JennyS

JennyS

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I love how the weather.com website keeps changing the forecast every couple of minutes. I should look into that as a career (get paid to guess the weather. I usually know when it's going to rain because my head often hurts!)
 
JennyS

JennyS

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TennisandMusic said:
Hey I totally agree, tech is great, but like you said Hawkeye is not perfect. And from time to time it can be pretty far off.
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They should just use a tv camera replay like they do in football. I know it would take longer but it might be more accurate.
 
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bluetrain4

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NamRanger said:
Technology is fine as long as it's not gimmicky. Hawkeye however is way too gimmicky. It's an estimation of where the ball is based on information taken in from the cameras. It's just a really accurate estimation. However, it's still an ESTIMATION. People don't seem to understand that.
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But, is it any worse than human line judges? Hawkeye isn't perfect, but neither are people.
 
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Morrissey

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Ugh! I'm looking outside my house which is about 15 minutes away and it's just a couple of drops here and there. Nothing too serious.
 
flyinghippos101

flyinghippos101

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NamRanger said:
First of all, there are too many things that can go wrong with Hawkeye. Anyone who knows anything indepth about technology knows that Hawkeye can really go off due to a number of factors, including lighting, blind spots, humidity, and all other sorts of factors.


Not including like horrible screw-ups by the Hawkeye operators like the ones that happened to Ljubicic this year.



Remember what Hawkeye is. It's an estimate of where the ball is based on information taken in. However, anyone who has taken a basic science course knows how inaccurate that can be. The best way to do it IMO is super high speed cameras lined up with the lines.
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Isn't the uncertainty of hawkeye something like plus or minus 2 mm?
 
JennyS

JennyS

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Morrissey said:
Ugh! I'm looking outside my house which is about 15 minutes away and it's just a couple of drops here and there. Nothing too serious.
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A couple months ago, it was pouring rain to one side of my house and not raining at all on the other!
 
SLD76

SLD76

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as you can see from my profile, or not, Im at the south jersey shore, on the tip end of NJ( for those of you on the east coast). It has been blustery windy and rainy all day, and all that weather will be headed north all weekend.
 
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