Will DelPotro be another Djokovic?

slicefox

slicefox

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Strong at 1 slam but turn out to be a 1 slam wonder? Really strong kid coming up, promising game with multi-slam potential but end up getting beat by the other players in the coming slams?

Could DelPotro be like Djokovic? I hope not, I like this guy I hope he can win on all surfaces but I just have a feeling it could happen...

what do u think?
 
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ChuDat

Professional
I believe he could win at 3/4 slams, the 1 being Wimbledon. He certainly has the tools to win more slams.
 
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msc886

Professional
Its a bit too early to call Novak out. He's had a slump but he's still playing quite good. I think he'll have a shot for another.
As for JMDP. Sure I think he has another shot if he keeps this up.
 
grafselesfan

grafselesfan

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It is too early to call Djokovic a one slam wonder. I am a bit dissapointed in him as a fan but he has still done pretty well overall. He continues to win or make finals of Masters, continued to have alot of strong showing in slams, has continued to post wins over Federer and Nadal sometimes. This year was more a dissapointment in the slams with the U.S Open really being his only good showing. Still he is up there in the rankings. I would agree he doesnt seem like the favorite or second favorite to win any slam at this very moment but it isnt like he is that far off, that can change if he just gets a bit more confidence going.
 
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martinrousev

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What do you mean by 'Another Djokovic'? Novak is still very young and has the time and the game to repeat his grand slam success.
 
ASL

ASL

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Why another Djokovic? Djokovic is an excellent player when he's on fire and i see him winning another slam in the near future.
 
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flying24

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ASL said:
Why another Djokovic? Djokovic is an excellent player when he's on fire and i see him winning another slam in the near future.
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That is doubtful. Federer, Del Potro, Murray, maybe even Roddick all seem stronger than him on hard courts at the moment. Forget about grass. Then on clay you have Nadal who some think will return to unbeatable form (time will tell of course), Del Potro now also, and Federer of course.
 
ASL

ASL

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flying24 said:
That is doubtful. Federer, Del Potro, Murray, maybe even Roddick all seem stronger than him on hard courts at the moment. Forget about grass. Then on clay you have Nadal who some think will return to unbeatable form (time will tell of course), Del Potro now also, and Federer of course.
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You never know what could happen, he could all of a sudden play lights out tennis at the AO and shock us all. We saw signs of this against Nadal in Cincy. Although i don't have him as favorite for that tournament.
 
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flying24

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ASL said:
You never know what could happen, he could all of a sudden play lights out tennis at the AO and shock us all. We saw signs of this against Nadal in Cincy. Although i don't have him as favorite for that tournament.
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True. I just think it would be hard for him to post 2 or 3 big wins in a row to win a slam now. Not impossible, but very difficult for him, especialy as his confidence doesnt seem to be there when he meets quality opponents. The most worrisome thing about him is that he isnt improving for awhile now. He is still a quality player and mantaining his level for the most part but others his age or a bit younger like Murray and Del Potro are improving quickly right now while he has not for a good year and a half now.

His performance vs Nadal in Cincy was impressive but keep in mind Nadal on his present form and condition is nowhere near Federer, Murray, Del Potro, or Djokovic on fast hard court, which is his worst surface (other than indoor surface) even at his best.
 
ASL

ASL

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flying24 said:
True. I just think it would be hard for him to post 2 or 3 big wins in a row to win a slam now. Not impossible, but very difficult for him, especialy as his confidence doesnt seem to be there when he meets quality opponents. The most worrisome thing about him is that he isnt improving for awhile now. He is still a quality player and mantaining his level for the most part but others his age or a bit younger like Murray and Del Potro are improving quickly right now while he has not for a good year and a half now.

His performance vs Nadal in Cincy was impressive but keep in mind Nadal on his present form and condition is nowhere near Federer, Murray, Del Potro, or Djokovic on fast hard court, which is his worst surface (other than indoor surface) even at his best.
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If he has a good run during this final quarterof the season, then it will ease his mind a bit for the next. If he simply flattens out that forehand of his it really make a whole difference when it comes to his results. However, when he does flatten it out he makes quite a few UE's which just makes him revert back to the loopy topspin shots. Against Nadal he realised very well that he doesn't enjoy balls coming at him with such velocity. So it was really a game plan which worked out perfectly. Now he simply has to continue doing this rather than playing far behind the baseline.
 
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flying24

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ASL said:
If he has a good run during this final quarterof the season, then it will ease his mind a bit for the next. If he simply flattens out that forehand of his it really make a whole difference when it comes to his results. However, when he does flatten it out he makes quite a few UE's which just makes him revert back to the loopy topspin shots. Against Nadal he realised very well that he doesn't enjoy balls coming at him with such velocity. So it was really a game plan which worked out perfectly. Now he simply has to continue doing this rather than playing far behind the baseline.
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I agree the game plan he had vs Nadal is the game plan he needs to employ vs all these other top guns I mentioned as well to be successful.
 
ASL

ASL

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flying24 said:
I agree the game plan he had vs Nadal is the game plan he needs to employ vs all these other top guns I mentioned as well to be successful.
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Even Federer doesn't handle flat shots as well as many people perceived before the USO final. ;)
 
batz

batz

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I think it's way too soon to be writing Novak off. JMDP will win multiple slams IMO but I also think Novak will.

Wasn't Novak a few months younger than Juan Martin when he won his 1st slam?
 
Sentinel

Sentinel

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I sure hope Delpo doesn't go the Joker way ( I am one of the few fans of Joker here, but consistency wise and perhaps mentally, he sucks.).

Hope to see him consistently in the slam semis/finals, hope to see him in top three, hope to see him winning a few (but not too many while Roger's around ;-) )

Go Delpo !!!
 
lambielspins

lambielspins

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zagor said:
Djokovic turned out to be one slam wonder?!? The guy's 22 not 32,what a joke.
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That doesnt mean he is definitely going to win another slam. Chang won his only slam at 17. Courier won his last slam at 22. Hewitt won his last slam at 21 (barring a touched by an angel miracle). Roddick probably won his only slam at 20. Moya won his only slam at 21 (barring an even bigger touched by an angel miracle than Hewitt). Ferrero probably won his only slam at 23. Safin was 1 point from winning his only slam at 20.

I would say Djokovic is likelier to win another slam at some point in his career than Roddick, Ferrero, Hewitt, or Moya, but he is far from certain to do so. Personally I dont think he will ever go into a slam as the favorite again (if he ever really did) and last year was the closest he will ever get to being #1 or #2 in the World. Another slam or even two might come at some point but it wont be easy and also might not ever come.
 
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ceberus

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Lol Djoker is one slam wonder while he's 22? Murray is also 22, and has no slams, and people have him winning all slam virtually. WTH? Delpo will win multiple slams, and hopefully on all surfaces. Djokovic will end up with a few slams himself, just wait and watch.
 
federerfanatic

federerfanatic

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I think it is very possible Djokovic has already won his final slam too. Murray is insanely overrated but still has a much better shot of winning future slams than Djokovic does.
 
5th Element

5th Element

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New member here - hi all - and first reply to a thread.

I've been following Del Potro's progress closely over the last couple of years. With that forehand he is capable of taking the game to a new level. I'm predicting 5+ majors and he's a lock for the number one spot over the next 6-8 years.
 
federerfanatic

federerfanatic

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ceberus said:
What makes you say that?:???:
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1. Murray as overrated as he is, is a better player than Djokovic right now and has been ever since say August of last year.

2. Murray is capable of beating anyone on hard courts. Djokovic only seems capable of beating Nadal on hard courts of the other top players at the moment.

3. Murray is still improving, Djokovic seems to have stopped improving for awhile now.

4. Djokovic hasnt had a big win in a grand slam since the 2008 Australian Open. Even massive slam underperformer Murray has a more recent big slam win (Nadal at last years U.S Open). In addition to not having a single big win he has also suffered 3 what I would consider extremely bad upsets in the last 6 slams- Safin at last years Wimbledon, Kohlschreiber at this years French, Haas at this years Wimbledon.
 
FlamEnemY

FlamEnemY

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federerfanatic said:
1. Murray as overrated as he is, is a better player than Djokovic right now and has been ever since say August of last year.

2. Murray is capable of beating anyone on hard courts. Djokovic only seems capable of beating Nadal on hard courts of the other top players at the moment.

3. Murray is still improving, Djokovic seems to have stopped improving for awhile now.

4. Djokovic hasnt had a big win in a grand slam since the 2008 Australian Open. Even massive slam underperformer Murray has a more recent big slam win (Nadal at last years U.S Open). In addition to not having a single big win he has also suffered 3 what I would consider extremely bad upsets in the last 6 slams- Safin at last years Wimbledon, Kohlschreiber at this years French, Haas at this years Wimbledon.
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1. Right now. On grass and HC. Djokovic is miles ahead of Murray on clay.

2. Again, on hardcourts. And as has been proven, anyone in the top 30 can beat Murray on HC.

3. I agree. But his gameplan needs some tweaking, see 2.

4. So winning AO last year is worse than losing USO in the final? And might I say, Djokovic was far more competitive than Murray, at least Federer didn't give him a beatdown in their match.

There's no evidence whatsoever that Murray has a better shot.
 
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TheMagicianOfPrecision

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slicefox said:
Strong at 1 slam but turn out to be a 1 slam wonder? Really strong kid coming up, promising game with multi-slam potential but end up getting beat by the other players in the coming slams?

Could DelPotro be like Djokovic? I hope not, I like this guy I hope he can win on all surfaces but I just have a feeling it could happen...

what do u think?
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My answer: Nooooo...hooo...ooo!!! Del Potro is 10 times the more talented player than Djokovic, his mindgame is a lot better than Djokovics, Djokovics won a really weak slam (Mono Roger in SF and headcase Tsonga in final) and that will be his only GS. DelPo will end up with 5-10 GS imo. Dont even compare DelPo to Djokovic /Fed-fan
 
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NamRanger

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ASL said:
You never know what could happen, he could all of a sudden play lights out tennis at the AO and shock us all. We saw signs of this against Nadal in Cincy. Although i don't have him as favorite for that tournament.
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"Lights out". That's pretty funny, considering his competition during his AO run consisted of new comer Jo Tsonga (who had chances to beat him anyways), a sick Federer, overachiever David Ferrer, and what, not even a top 30 Sam Querrey?




Some stiff competition there!
 
Motherwasp

Motherwasp

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I think all this Djokovic hating is complete BS. He is still number 4 in the world, still making it to a lot of semi's and finals and people are talking as if his career is over. Lest we forget he won the master's cup at the end of last year and was one of the few players who pushed Nadal close on clay this year. Wait until he wins another tournament and we will be inundated with "Djokovic appreciation thread" and "what string is Novak using thread"
 
OJ ROD

OJ ROD

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Motherwasp said:
I think all this Djokovic hating is complete BS. He is still number 4 in the world, still making it to a lot of semi's and finals and people are talking as if his career is over. Lest we forget he won the master's cup at the end of last year and was one of the few players who pushed Nadal close on clay this year. Wait until he wins another tournament and we will be inundated with "Djokovic appreciation thread" and "what string is Novak using thread"
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By those who the winds carry.
 
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pmerk34

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slicefox said:
Strong at 1 slam but turn out to be a 1 slam wonder? Really strong kid coming up, promising game with multi-slam potential but end up getting beat by the other players in the coming slams?

Could DelPotro be like Djokovic? I hope not, I like this guy I hope he can win on all surfaces but I just have a feeling it could happen...

what do u think?
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So Djokovic is one slam wonder? Is he retired? After he won the AO did he drop to 150 in the world never to be heard from again?
 
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pmerk34

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NamRanger said:
"Lights out". That's pretty funny, considering his competition during his AO run consisted of new comer Jo Tsonga (who had chances to beat him anyways), a sick Federer, overachiever David Ferrer, and what, not even a top 30 Sam Querrey?



Some stiff competition there!
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Excuses. And Tsonga destroyed and embarrassed the great Nadal that year.
 
Sentinel

Sentinel

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OJ ROD said:
Del Potro seems more serious about his tennis than Djokovic.
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I too think Đoković is not serious enough. Might add "streaky".
i hope the second coach (Todd Martin was it?) helps him.

Potro lets his racket do the talking and i hope it remains that way at least till he wins a few more slams.
 
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David L

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flying24 said:
I agree the game plan he had vs Nadal is the game plan he needs to employ vs all these other top guns I mentioned as well to be successful.
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Djokovic can't employ the same game plan against others that he does against Nadal, because Nadal is a completely different player. Not only does Nadal not hit with as much pace as players like Federer and Del Potro, he also take the ball significantly later then these players, so Djokovic has all the time in the world to prepare and attack the ball. That's what their matches mainly consist of; Djokovic attacking and Nadal retrieving 10 feet behind the baseline. Federer, especially, does not give Djokovic the luxury of time like this. He hits the ball harder and takes it earlier, which ends up putting Djokovic on the back foot. Nadal is a more comfortable match-up for Djokovic.

On top of this, the other top players have serves Djokovic has much more difficulty handling.
 
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drwood

drwood

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TheMagicianOfPrecision said:
My answer: Nooooo...hooo...ooo!!! Del Potro is 10 times the more talented player than Djokovic, his mindgame is a lot better than Djokovics, Djokovics won a really weak slam (Mono Roger in SF and headcase Tsonga in final) and that will be his only GS. DelPo will end up with 5-10 GS imo. Dont even compare DelPo to Djokovic /Fed-fan
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Welcome back, Magician!
 
oy vey

oy vey

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Will DelPotro be another Djokovic?
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If delpo can manage to get 5 MS titles and a YEC then yes, he will be another Djokovic.
 
federerfanatic

federerfanatic

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FlamEnemY said:
1. Right now. On grass and HC. Djokovic is miles ahead of Murray on clay.

2. Again, on hardcourts. And as has been proven, anyone in the top 30 can beat Murray on HC.

3. I agree. But his gameplan needs some tweaking, see 2.

4. So winning AO last year is worse than losing USO in the final? And might I say, Djokovic was far more competitive than Murray, at least Federer didn't give him a beatdown in their match.

There's no evidence whatsoever that Murray has a better shot.
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You are basically conceding Murray is better on hard courts so that already means he has a better shot. Hard courts is the best surface of both and where their most likely slams will come. Yeah Djokovic is better on clay but neither is going to win the French with Nadal there, and even if Nadal goes out there is Federer and Del Potro to deal with both who would both beat Djokovic in good form right now.

Your statement of anyone in the top 30 being able to beat Murray on hard courts is really blind hating. The lowest ranked player to beat him on hard courts in a long time is Cilic, and Cilic is a fast rising up and comer who will be top 10 very soon.
 
FlamEnemY

FlamEnemY

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federerfanatic said:
1.You are basically conceding Murray is better on hard courts so that already means he has a better shot. Hard courts is the best surface of both and where their most likely slams will come.
2.Yeah Djokovic is better on clay but neither is going to win the French with Nadal there, and even if Nadal goes out there is Federer and Del Potro to deal with both who would both beat Djokovic in good form right now.

3.Your statement of anyone in the top 30 being able to beat Murray on hard courts is really blind hating. The lowest ranked player to beat him on hard courts in a long time is Cilic, and Cilic is a fast rising up and comer who will be top 10 very soon.
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1.Yep, I am. But I assumed you are talking about any slam, not only HC slams. That leads me to
2. You say there are players better than Djokovic on clay, that's true. But what about Murray on HC? This argument goes both ways, Murray also isn't a given for a HC title. The HC competition is tough, really tough. There are more HC 'specialists' than CC or grass specialists, which leads me to
3. They are able, meaning they can beat him. Not necessary would, as it is clear that Murray can be beaten by a 'hot' player who doesn't give away points. Any top player can have this kind of day, you can't deny this.
 
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SerbWhoLovesDelPo

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federerfanatic said:
You are basically conceding Murray is better on hard courts so that already means he has a better shot. Hard courts is the best surface of both and where their most likely slams will come. Yeah Djokovic is better on clay but neither is going to win the French with Nadal there, and even if Nadal goes out there is Federer and Del Potro to deal with both who would both beat Djokovic in good form right now.

Your statement of anyone in the top 30 being able to beat Murray on hard courts is really blind hating. The lowest ranked player to beat him on hard courts in a long time is Cilic, and Cilic is a fast rising up and comer who will be top 10 very soon.
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Comparing Djokovic and Murray on HC slams

1. In AO and US from 08 to 09, Djokovic only lost to Federer and Roddick (and this was partially because of the heat), and in his matches with Federer, he gave a fairly good fight

2. In those same tournaments (AO08-USO09), Murray lost to Tsonga , Verdasco, and Cilic, and his match with Fed in US 08 was a complete demolition

The only HC slam in which Murray did better than Djokovic was USO 08, and in that tournament, both Djokovic and Murray lost to Federer, except Djokovic pushed Fed to 4 sets while Murray was anihilated in straights

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On topic, Del Potro will definitely have more slams than Djokovic. His talent is probably better, his fitness is no worse than DJokovic based on what I've seen this year, and he is more concentrated on his tennis than DJokovic. Djokovic may well end up with only 1 slam sadly.
 
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orangeblood

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Del Potro doesn't have the kind of PR/image issues and overbearing parents that Djokovic has had to deal with (of course, Djokovic brought that on himself). The fact that DP has always remained a low key kind of guy, I think he'll be fine.
 
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BorisBeckerFan

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slicefox said:
Strong at 1 slam but turn out to be a 1 slam wonder? Really strong kid coming up, promising game with multi-slam potential but end up getting beat by the other players in the coming slams?

Could DelPotro be like Djokovic? I hope not, I like this guy I hope he can win on all surfaces but I just have a feeling it could happen...

what do u think?
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Are you trying to bash Juan, Novak or both?
 
abmk

abmk

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Firstly >> I wonder how some people make out Djokovic as a one-slam wonder at this stage of his career.

Secondly >> I think both have the capability to win multiple slams
 
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Djumex

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IMO both Delpo and Novak will win more slams in the future.
Calling Novak a one-slam wonder is just pure hate! So I won't get into that.
Both of them have ways to go......to mature.....to get better and then capitalise on that.
It's a very tough era of tennis....there is no telling now who will win the next slam or masters.
Power and aggression is the game now.....delpo and djokovic are leading in this department. When on there is no countering it....Roger felt it in the finals!
 
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