What ATP Rank can the number 1 WTA Beat?
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helloworld
Hall of Fame
A player ranked 500 in the ATP will slaughter any WTA player. I'd say #1 WTA Safina will have a 'chance' against someone ranked outside the top 1000.
grafselesfan
Banned
Forget rankings, Safina is clearly not the best women player in the World. It wouldnt make much difference probably but you might as well use Serena in this case.
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Well, let's see...
World #621, Dusan Vemic, recently beat Gasquet in Qualies in New Haven, and is a top 70 player in doubles, so that takes anything above 600 out of play...
World #708, Bohdan Ulihrach, was as high as #22 in his playing days, and beat Sampras twice, including once on HC. So that puts the 700s in tough range.
World #922 Ross Hutchins recently played in DC for GBR (albeit not well - but probably better than any WTA player would have done)
World #989 Nenad Zimonjic is a top doubles player, so obviously he has skills...
It depends on matchup, of course, but it's hard for me to see any WTA player beating a man in the top 1000, unless the guy has a really bad day serving and off the ground.
World #621, Dusan Vemic, recently beat Gasquet in Qualies in New Haven, and is a top 70 player in doubles, so that takes anything above 600 out of play...
World #708, Bohdan Ulihrach, was as high as #22 in his playing days, and beat Sampras twice, including once on HC. So that puts the 700s in tough range.
World #922 Ross Hutchins recently played in DC for GBR (albeit not well - but probably better than any WTA player would have done)
World #989 Nenad Zimonjic is a top doubles player, so obviously he has skills...
It depends on matchup, of course, but it's hard for me to see any WTA player beating a man in the top 1000, unless the guy has a really bad day serving and off the ground.
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Serendipitous
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It depends if we're talking about a best of 3 set match or best of 5.
Stamina-wise, the WTA player may eventually get really tired.
It depends if we're talking about a best of 3 set match or best of 5.
Stamina-wise, the WTA player may eventually get really tired.
federer envies me
Semi-Pro
Any highly ranked high school player or above can beat a top ranked women. When the women were in cincinnati Safina hit with my coach and he beat her easily in straights. Another kid at my club, a decently ranked sophomore in high school, lost to Wozniacki 3 and 3
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
grafselesfan+CescFabregas+ksbh+Serendipitous = The jamesblakefan#1 fan club!
I changed it! :lol:
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Serendipitous
Guest
Oh, that's funny.
DarthFed
Hall of Fame
How did that meme even find it's way here lmao.
Don't know this is even a thread. Physically there are many thousands of men who are stronger than the strongest woman. Strength alone will help beat a woman.
This is why wta and ATP are separate.
To be top woman in the world is to beat every ( or almost every) woman which is incredible.
Facing a mans serve ( and height and muscle gives men a huge advantage) doesn't really say much about tennis talent. Also height makes it harder to hit flat and hard and still be consistent over the net.
Why are Venus and serena at top at older age (it's muscle and height)
This is why wta and ATP are separate.
To be top woman in the world is to beat every ( or almost every) woman which is incredible.
Facing a mans serve ( and height and muscle gives men a huge advantage) doesn't really say much about tennis talent. Also height makes it harder to hit flat and hard and still be consistent over the net.
Why are Venus and serena at top at older age (it's muscle and height)
Jason Vorhees
Banned
Jason Vorhees
Banned
Serena williams beat roddick 6-4 6-1
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Yeah, Roddick was 11 at the time. :-?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/tennis/article5566800.ece
Jason Vorhees
Banned
Serena williams didn't really care about the age (she said somewhere that she would probably beat him sometimes nowadays).
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Nine-times tennis grand slam winner Serena Williams is still proud of defeating Andy Roddick in a one-set practice match when she was 11.
"My greatest match ... was when I was younger and I beat Andy Roddick. He'll hate me for saying that," Williams joked after beating Gisela Dulko 6-3 7-5 in the second round of the Australian Open.
The 27-year-old Williams said the age difference, she is 11 months older than the men's seventh seed, was not a factor in her victory and the score was still in dispute.
"It doesn't matter. Age doesn't matter," she said smiling.
"There's an argument about the score. I think I beat him like 6-1. He says it was 6-4.
"He always says he's ready for a rematch but there's no need for a rematch."
Roddick, when questioned about the loss after his straight sets win over Tommy Robredo yesterday, saw the humour of the comments.
"She forgets to mention that it was 1993 ... we were 10, and I had to literally run around in the shower to get wet,'' Roddick told the press conference.
"I was [as skinny as a finger] and she was bench pressing dump trucks already at that time. I told her that yesterday, and she got a good laugh."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/809675
"My greatest match ... was when I was younger and I beat Andy Roddick. He'll hate me for saying that," Williams joked after beating Gisela Dulko 6-3 7-5 in the second round of the Australian Open.
The 27-year-old Williams said the age difference, she is 11 months older than the men's seventh seed, was not a factor in her victory and the score was still in dispute.
"It doesn't matter. Age doesn't matter," she said smiling.
"There's an argument about the score. I think I beat him like 6-1. He says it was 6-4.
"He always says he's ready for a rematch but there's no need for a rematch."
Roddick, when questioned about the loss after his straight sets win over Tommy Robredo yesterday, saw the humour of the comments.
"She forgets to mention that it was 1993 ... we were 10, and I had to literally run around in the shower to get wet,'' Roddick told the press conference.
"I was [as skinny as a finger] and she was bench pressing dump trucks already at that time. I told her that yesterday, and she got a good laugh."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/809675
ubermeyer
Hall of Fame
There should be an option for: "None." I do not believe in a serious match that the best ever WTA player in her prime could ever beat the lowest ranked person on the circuit. Obviously, if the pro plays a young junior who goes on to become ranked in the ATP but isn't currently ranked, or a former pro who is no longer ranked, then it would probably be different
Jason Vorhees
Banned
If you are right, then there is no getting away from the fact that womens tennis is at an all-time low. Thankfully, mens tennis is still going strong.
Nalbandian great
New User
Serena can kill any men linesman
Jason Vorhees
Banned
I would beat Serena.
Well, what are the problems?
Tactically, I'd say the top women can compete with the rank 100+ men. That's a bit sexist though, because tactics are heavily dependent on intelligence and emotional control.
If we base everything on muscular strength, which plays a huge role in spin, pace and running speed, then the women will need half-men anomalies like Serena to compete with the most poorly ranked men.
So if we can find someone who has the same explosive muscle fibers, which generate pace, spin and running speed, in the women's draw and put her against a potentially weaker ATP pro, then I'd conclude that women are lacking in the mental department as well.
Not sure what my point is, but I'll post anyways
Tactically, I'd say the top women can compete with the rank 100+ men. That's a bit sexist though, because tactics are heavily dependent on intelligence and emotional control.
If we base everything on muscular strength, which plays a huge role in spin, pace and running speed, then the women will need half-men anomalies like Serena to compete with the most poorly ranked men.
So if we can find someone who has the same explosive muscle fibers, which generate pace, spin and running speed, in the women's draw and put her against a potentially weaker ATP pro, then I'd conclude that women are lacking in the mental department as well.
Not sure what my point is, but I'll post anyways
Jason Vorhees
Banned
But muscle means nothing. Gulbis,blake, roddick (younger days) hit very hard but aren't as muscly as the likes of andreev or nadal.
Women just aren't as good as men at the moment. PERIOD
Women just aren't as good as men at the moment. PERIOD
kOaMaster
Hall of Fame
in a sport that's so heavily concentrated on power, most women just have no chance vs men.
I'm not sure though whether players like hingis, henin would get bagelled vs someone ~500 in the atp.
I was watching a couple of hopman cup-games through all the years and sometimes it was not clearly the women that has been targeted.
some players can manage the power shots of serena/venus nowadays, why shouldn't they be able to do so vs a mediocre atp player? the gap between 1 and 1000 is HUGE (and 1000 is still good, but you do not often see that except live on lower tournaments).
I would NOT choose serena or any hard hitter in the field to compete vs any men.
I'm not sure though whether players like hingis, henin would get bagelled vs someone ~500 in the atp.
I was watching a couple of hopman cup-games through all the years and sometimes it was not clearly the women that has been targeted.
some players can manage the power shots of serena/venus nowadays, why shouldn't they be able to do so vs a mediocre atp player? the gap between 1 and 1000 is HUGE (and 1000 is still good, but you do not often see that except live on lower tournaments).
I would NOT choose serena or any hard hitter in the field to compete vs any men.
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
I will tell you this, a guy in his 20`s ranked 1500 in the world would E A S I L Y beat Serena! I would bet my car on it!!
I am unranked since 2004 and i would really fancy my chanses vs Serena on my favourite-surface
skyzoo
Banned
I'd enjoy seeing this match, your chances would be pretty good. When and where can I set this match-up ?
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
Guest
Well youd have too ask Serena about that! Im ready:twisted:
Claudius
Professional
Serena Williams will either get bageled or breadsticked by ATP pros ranked in the 1000s.
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SerbWhoLovesDelPo
Guest
She can probably lose to ATP players ranked below 1000.
grafselesfan
Banned
It would be interesting to see Steffi Graf in her prime go up against the lowest ranked man on the circuit.
There was a video of a D1 male college player being thoroughly manhandled by Jelena Jankovic.
I would say a top WTA player would beat any ATP player beyond the top 30. I would not be surprised if they even beat Federer once in a while because their backhands are much more consistent than his.
I would say a top WTA player would beat any ATP player beyond the top 30. I would not be surprised if they even beat Federer once in a while because their backhands are much more consistent than his.
LOL "thoroughly manhandled". I seriously hope you don't rely on evidence that was obviously biasedly spun.
OliverSimon
Hall of Fame
Serena can kill anyone
Claudius
Professional
I hope you're being sarcastic.
I sincerely hope your not serious. First off the video is a hitting session where the D1 player was asked to help Jankovic. If he played all out and hit huge lefty serves that were unreturnable it wouldn't have been an effective practice so he held back.
Federer losing to a WTA player? Nope. Not gonna happen. Not ever.
statto
Professional
Has Federer ever beaten someone 6-0 6-0 6-0 in a tournament? That's who the top women should be looking for, because no-one who can take even a few games off Fed is going to be troubled by anyone on the WTA.
I'm not sure what rank we're talking but it's well in excess of 1000.
I'm not sure what rank we're talking but it's well in excess of 1000.
Stefan83
Rookie
In 1998 at the Australian Open, Serena and Venus said that they could beat any male ranked around 200, so Karsten Braasch (No. 203) took the challenge and he easily beat Serena 6-1 and then Venus 6-2 and he was only half trying.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
Joe Pike
Banned
No way.
I remember Graf saying 10 or 15 years ago that she might have a chance against the # 3000 ATP player.
IvanAndreevich
Legend
Such an original topic. I love it!
What's next - Federer vs Nadal?
Who is GOAT?
What's next - Federer vs Nadal?
Who is GOAT?
kafelnikov
Rookie
Is Ulihrach still playing?!
jamesblakefan#1
G.O.A.T.
Says he played a Challenger in Slovakia in September.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Ul/B/Bohdan-Ulihrach.aspx?t=pa
kOaMaster
Hall of Fame
thank you. and this is why I would not choose either of the sisters.
aviramdj
New User
you guys are living in a dream world .
take the top kid in ETA age 14 or in ITF age 14 .
and he will beat klijsters ez .
anyone that thinks any woman even serena at her best can beat any player that has atp rank even like the last position doesnt understand tennis or didnt see the level played at todays mans tennis even at low levels .
take the top kid in ETA age 14 or in ITF age 14 .
and he will beat klijsters ez .
anyone that thinks any woman even serena at her best can beat any player that has atp rank even like the last position doesnt understand tennis or didnt see the level played at todays mans tennis even at low levels .
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TheMagicianOfPrecision
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Thats what ive been trying too say for 3 days now.
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