My guess is around 13 or 14.At what age to you guys think federer was a 5.0 player? How about Aggassi? etc etc etc....
I highly doubt it. He probably wasn't a 6.0 until he was 15 or 16. Federer was still playing the juniors at 17 and the juniors are not 7.0 players and are not yet good enough to be competitive on the ATP Tour. Juniors would get killed in the main draw of an ATP event.Between the ages 11-12.
He would have been a 6.0 at age 13-14
My guess is around 13 or 14.
Agassi... 11 or 12? He was beating top 20 players by age 16, and the leap from 5.0 to 7.0 is pretty huge. I'm sure it didn't happen in just 2 or so years. The true greats are probably 5.0 very early on, maybe 11 or 12, maybe earlier. Nadal beat Cash in an exhibition on clay when he was 14. I remember hearing a story about a 12 year old McEnroe beating an older Peter Fleming at Port Washington. The very top, not just in the country but in the world, 12 year olds, can beat 5.0 players. They can hit the ball way better than a regular 5.0's, it's just a matter of growing up. These types of kids can compete with top pros on any given day by the time they're 14 or 15. Hewitt won the very first ATP tournament he ever played at 15. Agassi got to the qualies of an ATP even at 16, losing to Mac but beating world number 12 on the way. The kids can hit balls all day.At what age to you guys think federer was a 5.0 player? How about Aggassi? etc etc etc....
He was world class pro by 16. Most of the really special pros are 7.0 by 16. Chang won a round in the US Open at age 15. Hewitt won an ATP event at 16. Nadal won his first ATP match at age 14 defeating Ramon Delgado. Gasquet took advantage of his wildcard into qualifying to get into the Monte Carlo Masters and to win a round at age 15. Yes yes yes this is incredible stuff. 6.0 players can't even win a match in ATP level qualifiers, let alone win a round in the main draw.I highly doubt it. He probably wasn't a 6.0 until he was 15 or 16.
i'm quite surprised that many people would say around 12. i think a major factor would be strength and speed to reach higher levels for kids since most haven't reached puberty yet at that age. i think around 14-15 is more realistic.
Roger at 3 years old, playing at a 6.0 level:
Notice that he already had developed his "quiet eye" vision technique at this tender age.
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We went to newk's two years ago and saw one of the top juniors in the country. I think he was 11 or 12 and he was already beating the teaching pros who to my eye, are strong 4.5s and 5.0s
Are you talking about Christian Harrison? I was there at Newks while he was about 8 or 9. He was already beating kids that were in U14's fairly easily. Not sure about the teaching pro's there being 4.5's, some when I was there were a lot worse and a few were very good when I first arrived there.
This is stuff I remembered.35 do you have this info at your finger tips? lol. Surely is an interesting period. 5.0 to 7.0. I wonder what the average lenght of time it took these young future pros to cover that ground. ok way too late to be posting. thanks for sharing everyone.
No. But good question. I think it's probably more like top 300 or 500. I mean, do people agree that solid Futures level pros are 7.0?7.0's are top 100 players right?
The 12 year olds already hit the ball great. Their point construction isn't awesome but despite their size, they're hitting alone allows them to beat bigger stronger players. I remember a friend telling me about 12 yo Michael Russell just schooling in the 14's and 16's in Southeastern Michigan. The true tennis prodigies play up, remember, despite their smaller size, their superior tennis abilities allow them to compete with bigger players and they usually do very well. The people who go on to become top 10 pros, if not all time greats, strike the ball at a level we just can't understand. Even at the age of 12, their ball striking is unreal.i'm quite surprised that many people would say around 12. i think a major factor would be strength and speed to reach higher levels for kids since most haven't reached puberty yet at that age.
There was a kid who played near my place who was top 10 nationally in Boys 14, and he would absolutely smoke any 5.0's around. And he wasn't a true prodigy, just a very good national level junior.i think around 14-15 is more realistic.
yes, that sounds right. I'm sure sal is at least a 4.5.
7.0's are top 100 players right? because its hard to make a living lower..so to get there it should be when federer was around 20 years old? So he was a pro at 17..so thats when he was a 6.5. So when he was 15/16 he could have been a 6.0. He could have been a 5.0 when he was 12 or 13.
6.0 Has obtained a sectional and/or national ranking.
6.5 Has extensive satellite tournament experience.
7.0 Makes his living from tournament prize money.
To me if you can win a round in futures, you're world class. Even some top college players, and don't forget doubles specialists.7.0's can live off their wins in tournaments..which would mean top 100..maybe a bit further down to 200s..but not more.
There was a kid who played near my place who was top 10 nationally in Boys 14, and he would absolutely smoke any 5.0's around. And he wasn't a true prodigy, just a very good national level junior.
Yeah, but the 12 year old kids don't have the match strategy nor the match experience of someone's who's 18 or older. They are also not physically strong enough to handle the heavy pounding from a bigger, older opponent for hours. They are also too short to blast 120mph serves and probably don't have an aggressive second serve. They don't have the reach at net and are easy to lob over.Agassi... 11 or 12? He was beating top 20 players by age 16, and the leap from 5.0 to 7.0 is pretty huge. I'm sure it didn't happen in just 2 or so years. The true greats are probably 5.0 very early on, maybe 11 or 12, maybe earlier. Nadal beat Cash in an exhibition on clay when he was 14. I remember hearing a story about a 12 year old McEnroe beating an older Peter Fleming at Port Washington. The very top, not just in the country but in the world, 12 year olds, can beat 5.0 players. They can hit the ball way better than a regular 5.0's, it's just a matter of growing up. These types of kids can compete with top pros on any given day by the time they're 14 or 15. Hewitt won the very first ATP tournament he ever played at 15. Agassi got to the qualies of an ATP even at 16, losing to Mac but beating world number 12 on the way. The kids can hit balls all day.
No, he wasn't. Federer was still playing the junior circuit when he was 17. He won the Wimbledon juniors at 17 in 1998 and was the #1 ranked junior at the end of 1998.He was world class pro by 16. Most of the really special pros are 7.0 by 16. Chang won a round in the US Open at age 15. Hewitt won an ATP event at 16. Nadal won his first ATP match at age 14 defeating Ramon Delgado. Gasquet took advantage of his wildcard into qualifying to get into the Monte Carlo Masters and to win a round at age 15. Yes yes yes this is incredible stuff. 6.0 players can't even win a match in ATP level qualifiers, let alone win a round in the main draw.
Go to ITF website. He was playing satellites as a 16 yo. He got to the semis of one. At age 17, he was also playing some ATP tennis, beating two top 50 pros in France. He finished 1991 ranked 66. To me, he was world class at 16 even if he wasn't playing a full ATP schedule.No, he wasn't. Federer was still playing the junior circuit when he was 17. He won the Wimbledon juniors at 17 in 1998 and was the #1 ranked junior at the end of 1998.
Wait, Federer was ranked 66 in the world when he was only 10 years old? LOLGo to ITF website. He was playing satellites as a 16 yo. He got to the semis of one. At age 17, he was also playing some ATP tennis, beating two top 50 pros in France. He finished 1991 ranked 66. To me, he was world class at 16 even if he wasn't playing a full ATP schedule.
There are certainly players who were doing better at that age than Federer. He had two much talent and flash, it took him a while to get his game together, but he was still a solid pro level player by 16 (if you agree getting to the semis of a satellite event is proof of that).
You guys gotta get over your NTRP ratings on here on the board. NTRP is for amateur players, club level players whatever you wanna call them. Go to a good junior tournament or a top open prize money event or especially a Futures tourney or higher and ask someone what their NTRP rating is and you'll look like the biggest noob. Why? because once you're playing at that level and playing that competitively NTRP basically doesn't exist. Its who you've played, what your score was, who you beat, what your results are, especially what your ranking is and so on.
There's a reason why the NTRP rating system is so vague when describing 6.0's and up
Wait, Federer was ranked 66 in the world when he was only 10 years old? LOL
He played no challengers nor ATP events at all when he was 16.
At 17, in 1998, the first year he turned pro, he played in 4 tournaments and lost in the first round of 3 of them (one was a challenger level event). I'd say he wasn't even a 6.5 at this point but maybe a strong 6.0. A top Div. I college player is about a 6.0, and could have done what Federer did at 17 in 1998.
Federer started playing tennis at 8 years old. I don't think he was 5.0 at 12. More like 13-14.
Meant 1999.Wait, Federer was ranked 66 in the world when he was only 10 years old? LOL
Roger at 3 years old, playing at a 6.0 level:
Notice that he already had developed his "quiet eye" vision technique at this tender age.
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My guess is around 13 or 14.
7.0's can live off their wins in tournaments..which would mean top 100..maybe a bit further down to 200s..but not more.