Nobody plays well against nadal

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BigForehand

Semi-Pro
Verdasco was on fire in the last sets of his 4th round match against ferrer, and now against nadal he has no intensity.

Everyone is scared of nadal and are ready to bend over for him. Same with the past 2 weak slams, especially FO where Sod played like crap unlike he did against Federer.

And *******s think nadal is good somehow... he's just got getting challenged. Only murray stood up to him this season, but he's out now. What a joke of slam for him... excuse me; what a joke of a season.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Verdasco announced to the world a few months ago that he's not capable of ever beating Nadal. So how is going to beat Nadal if he's already mentally capitulated even before the match starts? It's a joke. They should have allowed Wawrinka to play Nadal tonight instead of playing Youzhny. At least he would have put up a fight.
 
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BigForehand

Semi-Pro
From minute 1 I could see Verdasco was not into the match.

Its just a funny trend this season: murray, sodering, berdych at wimby, sod at FO, and now here at the US open. Its a disgrace.
 
ViscaB

ViscaB

Hall of Fame
Nadal is like the Spanish NT. Germany looked so good all tournament until they were passed off the park by Spain.
 
kimbahpnam

kimbahpnam

Hall of Fame
So this thread went from "nobody plays well against Nadal" to "Verdasco doesn't play well against Nadal" to .......? cuz obviously both statements are true.... :roll:
 
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Defcon

Hall of Fame
Didn't you get the memo?

No one chokes or plays badly against Nadal, Rafa is a fighter and a bull!

But when people lose against Fed, its because they choked.
 
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meg0529

Guest
Hehe, loving the hate. Ya Rafa is playing very average, it's just that his opponents are mental midgets who cave in.
 
Araxen

Araxen

Rookie
If Nadal wins this US Open he should have an asterisk next to his name because he didn't face Del Potro.
 
Mustard

Mustard

Bionic Poster
BreakPoint said:
They should have allowed Wawrinka to play Nadal tonight instead of playing Youzhny. At least he would have put up a fight.
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Yeah, Youzhny has had no success against Nadal :roll:

Rafael Nadal 7-4 Mikhail Youzhny
2004 Dubai QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 1-6, 6-1)
2005 Doha R32: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-3, 7-6)
2005 Australian Open R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 4-6, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
2005 Rome R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-0, 6-2)
2006 US Open QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 5-7, 7-6, 6-1)
2007 Dubai QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 6-3)
2007 Rome R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-2, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (4-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
2007 Paris Indoor QF: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-4, 6-2)
2008 Chennai F: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 6-1)
2008 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-3, 6-3, 6-1)

And Wawrinka lost his match to Youzhny :oops:
 
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abraxas21

Professional
Did you really expect Verdasco not to bend over against Nadal?

I didn't even bother to watch the match because the result was never in doubt.

There are 2 certain things in our lives. One, that the universe in infinite and two, that Verdasco will lose against Nadal. And I'm not too sure about the first one.
 
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BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Mustard said:
Yeah, Youzhny has had no success against Nadal :roll:

Rafael Nadal 7-4 Mikhail Youzhny
2004 Dubai QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 1-6, 6-1)
2005 Doha R32: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-3, 7-6)
2005 Australian Open R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 4-6, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
2005 Rome R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-0, 6-2)
2006 US Open QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 5-7, 7-6, 6-1)
2007 Dubai QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 6-3)
2007 Rome R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-2, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (4-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
2007 Paris Indoor QF: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-4, 6-2)
2008 Chennai F: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 6-1)
2008 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-3, 6-3, 6-1)
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Um...and what does Youzhny's record versus Nadal have anything to do with Wawrinka playing Nadal tonight instead of playing Youzhny this afternoon? :confused: :rolleyes:
 
phoenicks

phoenicks

Professional
Defcon said:
Didn't you get the memo?

No one chokes or plays badly against Nadal, Rafa is a fighter and a bull!

But when people lose against Fed, its because they choked.
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No you got it the other way around, when Nadal wins, you haters always say it's bcoz opponent choke, or his spanish lap dog bow down before him.
 
BreakPoint

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Soulie said:
If Verdasco and Wawrinka switched places the matches might have been more interesting. Thats what this guy is saying...
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Exactly! I'm glad there's someone with a brain around here.

Youzhny vs. Verdasco in the afternoon QF

Wawrinka vs. Nadal in the night QF

Not very hard to understand.

Anything to avoid the expected Nadal vs. Verdasco blowout.
 
okdude1992

okdude1992

Hall of Fame
BigForehand said:
Verdasco was on fire in the last sets of his 4th round match against ferrer, and now against nadal he has no intensity.

Everyone is scared of nadal and are ready to bend over for him. Same with the past 2 weak slams, especially FO where Sod played like crap unlike he did against Federer.

And *******s think nadal is good somehow... he's just got getting challenged. Only murray stood up to him this season, but he's out now. What a joke of slam for him... excuse me; what a joke of a season.
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both statements you make are easily refuted. everyone is afraid of playing nadal BECAUSE he is good. it's called intimidation. Soderling didn't play THAT bad against Nadal. just very inconsistent, which is inevitable with his game unless he is zoning (like how he beat rafa in 2009 and fed in 2010).

Once again nadal IS good (*******s often overate him but they are ****s afterall) He isn't getting challenged because he is playing better than pretty much everybody plus many players are intimidated. Murray seems to have nadal figured out on hard courts. But once again he failed to an inferior player in a slam.

we saw this soo much when fed was in his prime too. did you forget this? guys like ljubicic, davydenko, roddick, and blake especially would go out on the court defeated before the match even started. A few players like safin, nalby, and a young nadal actually believed in themselves and got wins over the GOAT. but often they would lose before getting to fed.

nothing new here. it is unfortunate that alot of the good players don't have the cajones to believe in themselves and go all out for the win, but thats how it is.
why don't you just root for youzhny in the semis vs rafa. he says he wants to spoil the fedal final. he has the belief.
 
namelessone

namelessone

Legend
BigForehand said:
From minute 1 I could see Verdasco was not into the match.

Its just a funny trend this season: murray, sodering, berdych at wimby, sod at FO, and now here at the US open. Its a disgrace.
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It's called the intimidation effect. Fed had this times ten in the 2004-2007 period.

Now answer this:

Why would Murray fear Nadal at WB? Didn't he straight set Nadal in AO?
Why would Soderling fear Nadal at WB? Didn't he take Nadal to five sets there in 07'?
Why would Soderling fear Nadal at RG? Didn't he upset Nadal in 09' there?
 
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obsessedtennisfandisorder

obsessedtennisfandisorder

Professional
BigForehand said:
From minute 1 I could see Verdasco was not into the match.

Its just a funny trend this season: murray, sodering, berdych at wimby, sod at FO, and now here at the US open. Its a disgrace.
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from minute 1 I could see Djokovic was not into the match.

It's a funny trend this era> Hewitt, Roddick, 35yr old Agassi, Baggy, Davydenko, Gonzo, Grandpa Bjorkman etc . It's a disgrace.

LOL seriously man...need to chill...maybe they play bad because rafa too good,no?
 
okdude1992

okdude1992

Hall of Fame
Soulie said:
If Verdasco and Wawrinka switched places the matches might have been more interesting. Thats what this guy is saying...
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true. i was hoping ferrer would beat verdasco because he has beaten nadal here before. not that he would again, but at least he had somewhat of a chance
 
okdude1992

okdude1992

Hall of Fame
namelessone said:
It's called the intimidation effect. Fed had this times ten in the 2004-2007 period.

Now answer this:

Why would Murray fear Nadal at WB? Didn't he straight set Nadal in AO?
Why would Soderling fear Nadal at WB? Didn't he take Nadal to five sets there in 07'?
Why would Soderling fear Nadal at RG? Didn't he upset Nadal in 09' there?
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yep i posted the same thing. beat you to it haha :)
 
Baikalic

Baikalic

Semi-Pro
It has seemed that way in the past few rounds, but I think Gabashvilli and Istomin played as well as they could.
 
Nadalfan89

Nadalfan89

Hall of Fame
You're right. A 35 year old Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Baghdadis and Gonzalez are real tough opponents! Maybe we should put an astericks next to most of Feds slams?
 
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piece

Professional
Nadalfan89 said:
You're right. A 35 year old Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Baghdadis and Gonzalez are real tough opponents! Maybe we should put an astericks next to most of Feds slams?
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I'm so sick of Agassi getting shortchanged for his late-career performances. Especially the '05 open final. People on these boards say he wasn't a tough opponent for Fed, well the commentators said that Agassi couldn't have played a better match. In the second and third sets Agassi was playing a brand of tennis that even he only brought out on the odd occassion throughout his brilliant career. It was absolutely sick stuff. His crosscourt backhand had Federer on a string, he could put the ball wherever he wanted, at whatever pace he wanted. It's probably one of my favourite matches just because of the level of play you got to see from both guys (although it's a shame they never brought it at the same time, when one went up the other went down)
 
obsessedtennisfandisorder

obsessedtennisfandisorder

Professional
piece said:
I'm so sick of Agassi getting shortchanged for his late-career performances. Especially the '05 open final. People on these boards say he wasn't a tough opponent for Fed, well the commentators said that Agassi couldn't have played a better match. In the second and third sets Agassi was playing a brand of tennis that even he only brought out on the odd occassion throughout his brilliant career. It was absolutely sick stuff. His crosscourt backhand had Federer on a string, he could put the ball wherever he wanted, at whatever pace he wanted. It's probably one of my favourite matches just because of the level of play you got to see from both guys (although it's a shame they never brought it at the same time, when one went up the other went down)
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well he was doing that most matches 99-01 but that's not point.

I wrote that sarcastically because a bunch of fed fans are throwing their toys
bout no del po...rafa not getting challeneged etc..
 
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TennisandMusic

Guest
I find it funny that people complain this way. The same thing has been said by myself and many others about Federer's opponents...people giving in, playing like crap...and it's true. It happens. Verdasco DID play poorly tonight. However when I dare to suggest the same thing happens against Federer, people throw a fit saying it's because Federer is so grand LOL. Hilarious stuff. Why can't bias be put aside sometimes when your favorites are involved?

Verdasco played poorly. Nadal didn't play THAT great tonight. Federer and Soderling played crappy last night, except for Federer's aces. It's not a huge deal.
 
nadal_slam_king

nadal_slam_king

Banned
I think it's just a spiritual thing.

A player hits a great shot they think is a winner and Nadal sends it back with interest, breaks their spirit.
 
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rommil

Legend
How can you stand against Rafa? I mean the guy pours his all in the court, somebody who is so bold that publicly he repeatedly does gross rituals on the court beamed on international TV and doesn't even flinch and lately has been trying to solicit help from his box again on live TV (after being fined months ago). Obviously this guy will do everything and anything to get ahead............This number 1 is just determined.
 
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meg0529

Guest
TennisandMusic said:
I find it funny that people complain this way. The same thing has been said by myself and many others about Federer's opponents...people giving in, playing like crap...and it's true. It happens. Verdasco DID play poorly tonight. However when I dare to suggest the same thing happens against Federer, people throw a fit saying it's because Federer is so grand LOL. Hilarious stuff. Why can't bias be put aside sometimes when your favorites are involved?

Verdasco played poorly. Nadal didn't play THAT great tonight. Federer and Soderling played crappy last night, except for Federer's aces. It's not a huge deal.
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I agree with everything you are saying, but at the same time this forum would be quite dull w/o the fanboys/girls. Even if they weren't any, people will always have favorites and they would be biased. Hypocrisy flows freely. I like what 0d1n said. your opponent will only play as well as you let them. With Nadal, sometimes he doesn't have to play spectacular tennis, he breaks them early in the match and after that they tend to have a mental breakdown, and start to play either average or below average. You remember how Sod gave up completely in the last set, at either Wimby or RG, can't recall. It's because he lost all faith in being able to turn the match around. The reason Fed and Rafa have good matches is because Fed doesn't do that. He comes back.

As for how well these two have been playing, unless they are tested and pushed, they won't bother. Why drain yourself in the early rounds when you don't have to?
 
P_Agony

P_Agony

Banned
Mustard said:
Yeah, Youzhny has had no success against Nadal :roll:

Rafael Nadal 7-4 Mikhail Youzhny
2004 Dubai QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-2, 1-6, 6-1)
2005 Doha R32: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-3, 7-6)
2005 Australian Open R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-1, 4-6, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3)
2005 Rome R64: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-0, 6-2)
2006 US Open QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-3, 5-7, 7-6, 6-1)
2007 Dubai QF: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (7-6, 6-3)
2007 Rome R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-2, 6-2)
2007 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (4-6, 3-6, 6-1, 6-2, 6-2)
2007 Paris Indoor QF: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-4, 6-2)
2008 Chennai F: Mikhail Youzhny def. Rafael Nadal (6-0, 6-1)
2008 Wimbledon R16: Rafael Nadal def. Mikhail Youzhny (6-3, 6-3, 6-1)

And Wawrinka lost his match to Youzhny :oops:
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Dear god, Rafa lost 6-1 6-0 to Youzhny once? Wow. Must have been injured that match.
 
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meg0529

Guest
rommil said:
How can you stand against Rafa? I mean the guy pours his all in the court, somebody who is so bold that publicly he repeatedly does gross rituals on the court beamed on international TV and doesn't even flinch and lately has been trying to solicit help from his box again on live TV (after being fined months ago). Obviously this guy will do everything and anything to get ahead............This number 1 is just determined.
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I smell sarcasm! I hated that he looked up at his box. Mostly cuz he doesn't need to do that nonsense, he is perfectly capable of doing well on his own. As for his habits, really not that difficult to ignore. If you like the way he plays, then you just ignore his pre serve rituals, if you hate his style of play, then you might as well not watch him play. It's unfair to discredit him, for everything he has achieved. That being said,

Love Roger :)
 
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rommil

Legend
meg0529 said:
I smell sarcasm! I hated that he looked up at his box. Mostly cuz he doesn't need to do that nonsense, he is perfectly capable of doing well on his own. As for his habits, really not that difficult to ignore. If you like the way he plays, then you just ignore his pre serve rituals, if you hate his style of play, then you might as well not watch him play. It's unfair to discredit him, for everything he has achieved. That being said,

Love Roger :)
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Sarcasm? The smell of sarcasm is as strong as the smell of Rafa's fingers between serves.....
 
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rommil

Legend
meg0529 said:
I smell sarcasm! I hated that he looked up at his box. Mostly cuz he doesn't need to do that nonsense, he is perfectly capable of doing well on his own. As for his habits, really not that difficult to ignore. If you like the way he plays, then you just ignore his pre serve rituals, if you hate his style of play, then you might as well not watch him play. It's unfair to discredit him, for everything he has achieved. That being said,

Love Roger :)
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You hated him looking up? At another post you said it was funny.......
 
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meg0529

Guest
rommil said:
You hated him looking up? At another post you said it was funny.......
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Nope, I though it was funny that toni pulled the old ignore. does it bother you that i don't like it when rafa pulls these little stunts?
 
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rommil

Legend
meg0529 said:
Nope, I though it was funny that toni pulled the old ignore. does it bother you that i don't like it when rafa pulls these little stunts?
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If you like it or not does not bother me. Maybe Toni didn't respond because the spidercam was hovering in front of him.
 
namelessone

namelessone

Legend
rommil said:
If you like it or not does not bother me. Maybe Toni didn't respond because the spidercam was hovering in front of him.
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No one hears anything on ground level cause of all the ruckus. PP said so in WB and the players box is way closer in WB than on ashe. I wonder what Toni can say that completely changes the outcome of a match :)
 
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rommil

Legend
namelessone said:
No one hears anything on ground level cause of all the ruckus. PP said so in WB and the players box is way closer in WB than on ashe. I wonder what Toni can say that completely changes the outcome of a match :)
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LOL. Outcome of the match? Let's not forget who Rafa was playing. Nice try at deflection......
 
namelessone

namelessone

Legend
rommil said:
LOL. Outcome of the match? Let's not forget who Rafa was playing. Nice try at deflection......
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Deflection?

What did Nadal say to his box in the dasco match?

Here's PP statement about hearing on court, in a much smaller arena than ashe:

"Q. You were complaining to the referee about the coaching by Rafael with...

PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I didn't complain.

Q. No?

PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No.

Q. Did you hear it?

PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I just heard words, but it could have been "vamos" or whatever. It's anyway tough to hear if you're down on the court, because the whole arena is pretty loud.

So I don't know why he gave the warning for or if it was coaching or not. I have absolutely in idea. I can just tell if you are down there, you almost understand nothing from up there, even if they are screaming at you.

I think there was no coaching involved. That's what I think."

You can't tell me that Tony is signaling a gameplan on ashe, with the players box further out and against the loud NY crowd.
 
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Benhur

Hall of Fame
namelessone said:
Youzny said he played Nadal's ghost that day :)
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I think the Nadal-Moya semifinal ended about 1 or 2 in the morning the day of the final. It was supposed to be the longest 3 set match since 1993.

Youzhny said after the match:
“I am very happy with this title but I did not play against Rafael Nadal today. He was dead and could not move. I have to thank Carlos (Moya) for keeping him on the court for four hours last night."
http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2008-01-06/h.php
 
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rommil

Legend
namelessone said:
Deflection?

What did Nadal say to his box in the dasco match?

Here's PP statement about hearing on court, in a much smaller arena than ashe:

"Q. You were complaining to the referee about the coaching by Rafael with...

PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I didn't complain.

Q. No?

PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No.

Q. Did you hear it?

PHILIPP PETZSCHNER: No, I just heard words, but it could have been "vamos" or whatever. It's anyway tough to hear if you're down on the court, because the whole arena is pretty loud.

So I don't know why he gave the warning for or if it was coaching or not. I have absolutely in idea. I can just tell if you are down there, you almost understand nothing from up there, even if they are screaming at you.

I think there was no coaching involved. That's what I think."

You can't tell me that Tony is signaling a gameplan on ashe, with the players box further out and against the loud NY crowd.
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Again, find a video of it....preferably a match that involved Verdasco, not Petchner. And again, I did not state that Uncle Toni SAID something in the match last night. Again, please read carefully and stick with the issue we are discussing. Don't deflect......... I'm off to work but try to find a video. Seriously.
 
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meg0529

Guest
rommil said:
If you like it or not does not bother me. Maybe Toni didn't respond because the spidercam was hovering in front of him.
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Maybe, maybe not. It doesn't matter though, you have your opinions, I have mine. I'm just saying I don't like it, when Nadal does things that lead people to question his integrity and his wins. But i have to say, whether or not he spoke to his box, whether it was here or at Wimby, it made no significant difference. His opponents would have lost anyway. Toni cannot lay out a win plan in a few secs.
 
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wozwoz

Banned
Because Nadal destroy tennis per se. However beatiful you might play, when you step onto the court vs Nadal the match turns out to happen of an ugly quality.
 
borg number one

borg number one

Legend
Real good coaching relationships often involve very few words "from the box" to the players. Take Lennart Bergelin with Borg, or in this case T. Nadal with R. Nadal, they are so in tune with each other on the minute adjustments to make that it doesn't take a lot of verbal communication. It could just be a word or two and a nod or a turn of the head, etc. It was said by one Wimbledon commentator that at times it looked like Bergelin could just will Bjorn Borg on from the box with "that look".
 
namelessone

namelessone

Legend
borg number one said:
Real good coaching relationships often involve very few words "from the box" to the players. Take Lennart Bergelin with Borg, or in this case T. Nadal with R. Nadal, they are so in tune with each other on the minute adjustments to make that it doesn't take a lot of verbal communication. It could just be a word or two and a nod or a turn of the head, etc. It was said by one Wimbledon commentator that at times it looked like Bergelin could just will Bjorn Borg on from the box with "that look".
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So are you saying that Borg got coaching during his matches back in the day :) ?
 
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