I think, more often than not, people refer to a racquet as unstable when it comes to netplay/volleying.
Reaction time at net is cut short (especially when the competition is better), so finding the sweetspot is not always easy.
Other than that, I've never hit a racquet from the base line and thought it was unstable.
But, if you hit the ball in the sweetspot all racquets are stable
I disagree with this. When the ball hits the sweetspot, it stretches the stringbed in the normal direction. And if the incoming ball has a lot of spin, the ball applies a torque to the stretched stringbed that twists the racquet about its longitudinal axis. If the racquet is light, it will twist a lot more than a heavy racquet.
This effect has nothing to do with off-center hits, but in my opinion, it is the most important reason to use a heavy racquet. When rallying against heavy incoming balls, a heavy racquet makes it much easier to control the launch angle of routine groundstrokes. Of course, the effect is even more important on returns (which account for 1/2 of all shots in singles) and volleys.
I don't really understand what people mean when they say their racquet is unstable and leading it up fixed it.
hi. personally i would ignore comments like that. some comments have merit and others do not.
modern tennnis racquets are not unstable. the common inaccurate comment is that their racquet gets 'pushed around' - becomes unstable -when they play a 'heavy hitter'. the accurate comment should be that the person isnt good enough to flush hit the ball w. sufficient batspeed and technique when they play a 'hard hitter' ie; someone who is better than they.
also many people seem to grab a lighter racquet and swing it at the same speed as their usual heavier racquet. that doesnt work. then they often declare a perfectly fine racquet as unstable and crap because of their inability to use the racquet well. you need to take advantage of the opportunity to swing faster..batspeed is your friend..it creates spin, which creates control
often adding lead to a racquet makes the racquet 'more unstable' and not more stable. if the racquet is already as heavy as the player can handle or too heavy for them, and they add lead, it decreases their batspeed to the point where they cant swing it fast enough reliably hitting the sweetzone.
i used to say this over and over again. use the heaviest racquet you can swing fast enough for however long your sessions last when playing someone at least as good as you.
mojo
I don't really understand what people mean when they say their racquet is unstable and leading it up fixed it.
Dude, take out a badmington racket and play tennis, you'll see how unstable it is. Even Federer with his skills wouldn't be able to hit a couple average shot with it.
I don't really understand what people mean when they say their racquet is unstable and leading it up fixed it.
hi. personally i would ignore comments like that. some comments have merit and others do not.
modern tennnis racquets are not unstable. the common inaccurate comment is that their racquet gets 'pushed around' - becomes unstable -when they play a 'heavy hitter'. the accurate comment should be that the person isnt good enough to flush hit the ball w. sufficient batspeed and technique when they play a 'hard hitter' ie; someone who is better than they.
also many people seem to grab a lighter racquet and swing it at the same speed as their usual heavier racquet. that doesnt work. then they often declare a perfectly fine racquet as unstable and crap because of their inability to use the racquet well. you need to take advantage of the opportunity to swing faster..batspeed is your friend..it creates spin, which creates control
often adding lead to a racquet makes the racquet 'more unstable' and not more stable. if the racquet is already as heavy as the player can handle or too heavy for them, and they add lead, it decreases their batspeed to the point where they cant swing it fast enough reliably hitting the sweetzone.
i used to say this over and over again. use the heaviest racquet you can swing fast enough for however long your sessions last when playing someone at least as good as you.
mojo
I played tonight in our indoor league against a guy I regularly play against. He starts out hitting buck twenty + serves with his Wilson 6.1. But tonight, we played a full 3rd set. He didn't win his serve from the middle of the second set on. I didn't lose mine. Now, I don't hit as fast as he does, but my balls have a lot more direction and work on them. And, I can maintain that level for 3 sets. He's 10 years younger than me, over 6 feet tall, and lean. But he wore out before I did. I also find, to his repeated chagrin, returning a hard serve isn't that tough if it has no work on it.
I also have great difficulty believing that just swinging a racket that's maybe half an ounce or an ounce heavier is going to have a significant effect on one's fitness as a match progresses. My guess would be that this perception is mostly in the mind: he or she is swinging a heavier racket and is getting tired in a match, therefore it must be the weight of the racket...:-?
As Spaceman correctly points out the amount of energy involved in moving your whole body around the court is much, much higher, probably orders of magnitude so. Most posters here appear to compare just the weight of two rackets, say one is 11 and the other 12 ounces, so the difference in energy spent swinging those rackets would seem to be in the order of 8-9%. If this were indeed the case, that might have a significant effect during a match. They appear to forget, however, that in order to swing your racket, you first need to swing your arm and, if you swing properly, rotate your whole torso, etc. Only your arm weighs probably 2-3 kg... So you need to compare swinging 3+ kg plus 11 oz racket with 3+ kg plus 12 oz racket. That's a difference of less than 1 percent, is that really going to wear you out?
With Spaceman I would say that the amount of running you do in a match makes much more difference to your fitness levels than what racket you swing.
Whether you dictate aggressively from the baseline or defend from way behind the baseline will make a huge difference in your fitness at the end of a long match! Perhaps Rabbit just wore his younger, fitter opponent out with his wiley court-play...
It just doesnt work that way in the real world. Increases in racquet weight do not directly correlate to the same % increase in physical exertion. I dont know the scientific reasons for this, but think it has something to do with how your muscles and lungs use up oxygen and electrolytes during physical exertion when swinging a racquet <and running of course>. a small increase in racquetweight can often have really adverse affects on your endurance. actually more like small increases in swingweight to properly state. I;m not speaking of your arm endurance. If someones arms get tired during play, that is most likely due to poor technique or some sort of injury....i;m talking about when your legs and wind go in the heat of play. Obviously basic physical conditioning is a huge factor. This all of course assumes the player swings a racquet with some sort of reasonable batspeed.
It just doesnt work that way in the real world. Increases in racquet weight do not directly correlate to the same % increase in physical exertion. I dont know the scientific reasons for this, but think it has something to do with how your muscles and lungs use up oxygen and electrolytes during physical exertion when swinging a racquet <and running of course>. a small increase in racquetweight can often have really adverse affects on your endurance. actually more like small increases in swingweight to properly state. I;m not speaking of your arm endurance. If someones arms get tired during play, that is most likely due to poor technique or some sort of injury....i;m talking about when your legs and wind go in the heat of play. Obviously basic physical conditioning is a huge factor. This all of course assumes the player swings a racquet with some sort of reasonable batspeed.
That's not at all what I'm trying to say here. I'm NOT saying everyone should play with heavier rackets. If a lighter racket feels right for you and suits your game, go for it!
What I'm questioning, and others with me, is the blanket assertion that a heavier frame is a primary cause of weariness in a long match. There are many other, much stronger factors that affect your fitness levels in the course of a match. Some of these were discussed above. Moreover, every match is different: different conditions, opponents, your serve may be on or off, and you yourself are not the same person from day to day. But many posters here automatically assume that if they wear down in a long match, they SHOULD consider going for a lighter racket. Similarly, if you get older, you SHOULD think of going lighter. I think that makes no sense...
I mean, to test statistically whether the weight of the racket really makes a significant difference on how quickly you wear down, you'd have to conduct many repeated experiments with different weighted rackets under carefully controlled conditions with objectively measured parameters!
As to the racket manufacturers, they are in the business of selling rackets. As long as people continue to believe that lighter rackets are always easier to play with, they will keep churning them out. Even if they have to make them uber-stiff to still allow you to get some pace on your shots...
I think the 'experts' here should school all the racquet manufacturers that they've got it ALL wrong for making racquets lighter and lighter so that people are better able to swing them faster for longer periods of time....
No, manufacturers got it all right from their perspective. They made rackets less powerful and convinced people that they were, in fact, more powerful. Even better, though, is that they convinced people that the thing that makes them less powerful (i.e., lower weight and swingweight) is actually what makes them supposedly more powerful. Thus, they created a self-propogating cycle that leads people to buy more and more frames.
Average Joe buys a frame that is supposedly more powerful than his last one because it's easier to swing. At first, the lower weight deceives him into thinking he really is hitting the ball harder (fractionally faster swing speed and more shock felt at impact), even though he isn't. After he's used the frame for quite a while and grows accustomed to it, he notices he's still getting tired and wishes he'd get more power on his shots. So, he buys an even lighter frame, which deceives him into thinking he's hitting the ball harder, even though he isn't, and so on and so forth.
It's pure genius.
I beg to differ. Vs me and ill make you run around the court. Unless the frame is WAY TOO heavy for you to handle. A heavier frame wouldn't be the primary cause of weariness
The worst part is that the consumer is left with light and powerless racquets that they are convinced are powerful as Spiff explained, and the pros have evolved into using the heavy SW's of the past with lighter frames and longer balances, giving them less control of the heavy racquet head than the past, morphing the game into the baseline style it is today; not because of poly strings or the ability to hit better returns than in the past.
This is the real reason they slowed the courts down; to help out new players who can't hit with the control of the past because their racquet heads lag behind their hand so much through the swing. So they slowed it down to give players more time to set up.
The reason you didn't see long baseline exchanges in the past is because the player's could step in and hit the lower percentage up the line shot and force the issue to avoid giving up court positioning. Their racquets had high weight, SW and recoil weight, and didn't lag behind their hand, so they could confidently change direction on anything.
My Two Cents, For What It's Worth:
1. There will always be a trade off of sorts between higher SW and faster swing speed. There is no free lunch.
2. While the benefits of high(er) sw are clear (after all, tennis is a collision sport) higher mass leads to slower swings.
3. There is however, a "golden zone" that varies from player to player and from racquet to racquet. That happy place somewhere in the middle where the stability and swingspeed trade-off suits the individual player and his game. To insist that what works for you, must work for everybody else, is just crazy talk.
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Personally, I find that I am fresher with the EXO3 in every sense of the word after 2 hours on court than I was with the C10. Why? Does and ounce or even two make that big a difference? Well, it does in one respect which has been overlooked.
It's been my experience that the higher the level, the better the timing. The better the timing, the less adjustment one has to make with their muscles in their swing; i.e. the more natural or 'sweet' your swing is. If someone continually muscles a ball, they are expending more energy than those who can rely on timing. I find that my timing is better with the EXO3 and my swing is more natural. Take it for what you will. But, the fact remains that if you don't have great timing, and you're blasting the ball, the adjustments you have to make are going to wear you out quicker than if you played with something more geared to your game.
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I've said it more than once around here, lots of folks on these boards seems convinced that the only way to go with with a 12.5 ounce and heavier frame. They opine that you need it to battle against a 'heavy' ball. That just isn't true. Again, there are plenty of world class pros using sub 12 ounce racquets.
The whole heavy racquet thing has become more a status symbol or way to brow beat those perceived as lesser players. It just doesn't hold water.
My Two Cents, For What It's Worth:
1. There will always be a trade off of sorts between higher SW and faster swing speed. There is no free lunch.
2. While the benefits of high(er) sw are clear (after all, tennis is a collision sport) higher mass leads to slower swings.
3. There is however, a "golden zone" that varies from player to player and from racquet to racquet. That happy place somewhere in the middle where the stability and swingspeed trade-off suits the individual player and his game. To insist that what works for you, must work for everybody else, is just crazy talk.