sunny_cali
Semi-Pro
So ? If anyone is the **** it is you. You latch on to one irrelevant statement and ignore the substantive portion of the mail -- which is this -- Don't get carried away because Fed won one tournament. Wait and watch what happens.
Federer's possible return to world No.1 Wozniacki style?
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So ? If anyone is the **** it is you. You latch on to one irrelevant statement and ignore the substantive portion of the mail -- which is this -- Don't get carried away because Fed won one tournament. Wait and watch what happens.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
Exactly; great point! I've never seen Nadal play so horribly without any obvious injury. That was not a beat-down by Federer ala last year's WTF win over Nadal; it was just Nadal not putting in any effort after the first 6 games.
If the match had gone the way the first 6 games went, the match would have been another near Nadal/Federer classic (no matter who would have won)...
TopFH
Hall of Fame
When did I say that?
You said that Federer has no opportunity to win points during the clay season. He actually does. He can gain points in very Masters 1000, especially at MC and Rome.
tenniselbow1
Rookie
Speaking of titles.. When was the last one your boy Rafa got one? It's been so long I can't even remember
My God was it the French? He could go titleless this yearTennis_Hands
Banned
Do stupidities come naturally to you, or you are having special training to spew them all over the place? Fed did not win one tournament recently. If you haven't noticed 6 wins out of 8 tournaments he entered is ALREADY a trend, and from quite some time.
Also, if certain facts in your statement do not go well with the overall idea of your post you should get them straight. Otherwise they nullify your statement.
FYI, I am not into this "Federer is going to have a type of year, like the one Djokovic had in 2011". Most of the reasonable posters are not into it as well.
Oh, by the way, I quite like, how you call your own facts "one irrelevant statement". Like I said, it is like Christmas.
Bender
G.O.A.T.
...suggesting that all Nadal fans care about is Nadal's legacy, rather than Nadal himself, and that all Nadal fans consider h2h to be the most important aspect of the GOAT discussion (all idiots maybe, but not all Nadal fans)
sunny_cali
Semi-Pro
Pipe down jackass. Read the mail -- he won tournaments on surfaces that suited his game. The moment he played in a place that didn't suit his style he lost - yet again to his nemesis. He won two more on surfaces that suit him. IW is the first tournament where you'd expect Rafa to win, but he had a bad day -- in part due to the conditions, and in part to a very good Fed. All the opponents (bar Nadal -- oh yes, this is the parenthetical disclaimer that I should have added, and missed out, that got the **** in you full of righteous indignation) are the ones that he'd own. The same opponents might have given Nadal fits, but that is way matchups work.
This is very encouraging from a Fed fan's perspective, and kudos to him, but it is not yet a trend. 5 of the 6 wins have come on fast surfaces or surfaces with a low bounce. If he wins in Miami, and wins against either Nadal/Djoker in the clay swing, we can most definitely call it a trend. Till that point, enjoy the moment and wait and watch.
sheq
Professional
You explain the situation very well, all Federer fans and surely Federer's yourself care about getting no1 position for just 2 weeks more. ( ending the year as no1 would be great too but its not that important at the moment)
Therefore, Roger doesnt have to do win all to gain no1 spot because he has already gained some big points last 6 months. He just need keeping it up for 6 months more. After that, we might talk about ending the year as no1.
GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
I still don't see him beating Nadal in a slam final though. Maybe in the 2015 Wimbledon final when they finally speed up the grass.
GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
True, getting to No.2 is the key. Need King Novak to take out the Rafa before the final.:twisted:
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
That would be interesting, never see that before. The women would really let the men have it, for all the times the men complained about the WTA.
GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
lol, many Nadal fans on here only give Federer credit when Nadal is also in the conversation. Whether its a weak or strong era depends largely on if the word "Nadal" was mentioned, or not.
cknobman
Legend
Lets not jump the gun here people. A bad result at the FO for Fed could spoil any plans at regaining number 1 by Wimbledon.
I actually think Rafa could pick up number 1 before Fed seeing how Djoker picked up so many clay titles pre FO last year which usually would be in Rafa's hands.
I actually think Rafa could pick up number 1 before Fed seeing how Djoker picked up so many clay titles pre FO last year which usually would be in Rafa's hands.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
You think anyone else besides Nadal can defeat Federer at the FO?
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
Novak Djokovic.
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
Just proves how little you know about tennis, I'm afraid...
Hint: a slamless player (and I really mean slamless, not like "16-slam-winner slamless") got to the #1 spot not so long ago. Think Chilean...
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Just proves how little you know about tennis, I'm afraid...
Hint: a slamless player (and I really mean slamless, not like "16-slam-winner slamless") got to the #1 spot not so long ago. Think Chilean...
He ended the year #1? Wow, you are so well educated :roll:
cknobman
Legend
No under normal circumstances I dont.
But I also realize anyone is prone to a "bad day at the office" and I also realize the Roger the last 2 years has been very susceptible to those radom "bad days at the office" so I try not to pencil his name in anywhere or take any match for granted.
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
Wait, so all of you guys claimed Federer was so amazing for defeating Novak only once in his 2011 season at the FO. However, now you claim that is the player and place that he is going to have all the trouble??????? :shock:
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
That has never been the subject in this thread. Or did you fail to read the previous messages before you started tolling? :roll:
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
Is that what I said? I only said he's capable of beating Federer there. You don't agree?
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monfed
Guest
He was a point away from losing to freakin Haas of all people at RG 09. A big hitter can take him out too(see Soderking 2010). However it would be a surprise if he lost to anyone other than Nadal/Nole.
zagor
Bionic Poster
And you claimed Fed's win over Novak 2.0 in 2011 FO was a fluke (heck I've ever seen you claim that a 25 year old Fed would never beat Novak 2.0) and now suddenly you changed your tune? Who's the bigger hypocrite here LOLville?
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
And here I thought you were becoming more open-minded and less of a troll.
Dude, I think I speak for everyone here (except your pal devila, who also suffers from this problem) when I ask of you to please read the posts before actually responding. It's quite frustrating to have to point out specific parts of the posts you quote everytime you respond.
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monfed
Guest
Took you so long to figure that out? Well better late than never!
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
Well, after the ban, it seemed for about a week that he hadn't been trolling much and was just here to discuss tennis. We actually had a good discussion. I guess Federer winning recently was too much to handle.
WTF and and 2 MS so far is not a mickey mouse titles.
Dont see anything wrong with his movement at IW. His court coverage was excellent.
GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
merlinpinpin
Hall of Fame
Ahem. You forgot Barcelona.
BigServer1
Legend
This post is psychotic...
Nadal won Monte Carlo and the French Open, and made finals at Rome, Madrid, Wimbledon and the US Open. Can you spot the chances for him to gain big points? The guy hasn't won a tournament in 10 months, and you're expecting him to sweep the rest of the year. Even true Nadal fans can't possibly expect that from him.
Federer on the other hand, can pick up points in Rome and Madrid, Wimbledon and the US Open. Defending his FO points may be tough, but he has room to improve on nearly every other result he had from 2011. In regards to him not being a 5 set player anymore...He's lost to Nadal and Djokovic in tough 4 and 5 setters in the last two Slams. That's hardly cringeworthy, and he had opportunities in both matches to take control (especially the US Open, having 2 MPs...).
Federer isn't playing at the same level that he was 5-6 years ago, especially in Slams, but to write him off completely, given what he's accomplished over the last 5 months is asanine.
Have you forgotten the board you are posting on? Half of the stuff here is hyperbolic. Nadal loses a 6 hour match in the AO finals and it's "he played horribly his BH is horrible". (never mind he was playing the best player on earth right now). Djokovic loses a nail biter to Isner and it's " he has no second serve it's terrible". Federer loses a titanic battle to Djokovic and it's "He choked he has zero mental strength". Before the last year and half when Roddick still possessed his old serve if he lost to Federer then his serve was "over rated" and he "doesn't place it well". Verdasco's footwork is "terrible" and he's a "Clown" etc etc.
I haven't checked yet, is Isner's serve now over rated? Do people consider it a "joke" because he lost to 30 year year old Federer who is basically "crippled" out there?
seattle_1hander
Rookie
RogerRacket111
Semi-Pro
Wozniaki - 0 GrandSlams
Roger - 16 GrandSlams
Roger - 16 GrandSlams
dudeski
Hall of Fame
Also Davis Cup counts but only singles Olympics gold medal counts.
Marius_Hancu
Talk Tennis Guru
ChanceEncounter
Professional
Doesn't count, obviously. Unless you're currently holding all of the grand slams and barcelona, singles olympic gold, and davis cup at once, being #1 doesn't matter.
/sarcasm
GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
GasquetGOAT
Hall of Fame
Damn how can I forget about the second most prestigious clay tournament on the calender!
:-|:-|Tennis_Hands
Banned
Looks like it is you, who needs to calm down.
Oh, I see.
Do you honestly believe, that the weather conditions favoured one of the players over the other?
Besides, the trend is not about Federer beating Nadal. The trend is about Federer playing well without any cosiderable slumps (I think AO SF is excellent result for Federer). The fact, that you think, that the trend is about Federer beating Nadal, speaks volumes. I mentioned Nadal, because you made some absurd claims in your post. I was laughing, reading how you think, that Federer was supposed to have problems with grinders, when he was dealing with ease with some of the hottest players on tour at the moment.
No. You made a claim, that Federer would have had problems should he have met Simon, Murray etc. Given, that Nadal wasn't able to handle Federer very well for whatever reason, it is highly unlikely, that players of lesser magnitude of the same breed would have fared well against Fed.
Why are you even posting in this thread?
And I am enjoying the way Federer plays recently, thank you.
sunny_cali
Semi-Pro
To an extent they did. Watch the end of the match when Nadal was getting in his groove. If Nadal had won the point at 4-5, 30-30 things might have got really interesting.
The fact is I was responding to someone who claimed that Fed would end up having a Djoker like season. The response was not to get carried away but one win. And no, losing in the AO SF for the 2nd year running and yet again to his nemesis is not a good result, whichever way you wing it.
Maybe - maybe not. I am pretty certain he'll have more problems with the grinders than the big lumbering severs. Why would the mere suggestion that he would have trouble offend you ?
Who are you anyway ? I'll post in any thread I feel like -- don't need your permission, kiddo. And oh, btw, I am a Fed fan, and not a **** like you.
Yeah, watch out for us *******s. The point is it'll never be seen as Wozniacki style, because he has proved so many times that he can do it on the big stage. He would be forgiven for the fact that he cannot compete with Novak and Rafa in best of 5. He's older, way past his prime, and it's not that he's just not good enough mentally and when it matters. It would be weird if Federer was no. 1 while Novak holds 3 out of four grand slams (which is actually possible!) but if it happens, Federer will be applauded for going a full year with hardly any losses in best of 3 tennis.
I think the men's ranking system works very fair.
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Nadal was competitive at the beginning of the match (first couple of games). Were the conditions any different , than those in the later stages of the match? I don't think so. You are grasping at straws, trying to proove your case. Pointing at one point (not even a break point) and speculating about the outcome is really desparate.
Why does your response belittle Federer's efforts? I don't think, that your purpose was to "stop people from being carried away".
And, at the age of 31 and playing SF is not a good result? I guess you are used to seeing so many modern tenis players, aged 31, playing SF in Majors, so it is not a big deal for you. Please, enlighten us, how many of those players have played SF at the AO in the last 5 years?
You continue posting the same stupidities. Explain, how is that, that Federer was going to have problems against the likes of Simon, when he comfortably has beaten Nadal? Offended :lol:
My question was refering to the irrelevance of your posts, not to your rights to post in any thread.
You are Federer fan, allright.
sunny_cali
Semi-Pro
Why do you think it belittles him ? Don't try to presume too much - you aren't bright enough.
You think Federer plays at the age of 31 so he can please the fangirl in you by reaching SF's ? He plays because he thinks he has chances to win. If he thought that a SF was all he could achieve he'd stop playing.
How did he have problems with Simon all the times he lost or in fact won ? Will he comfortably beat Nadal the next time they play on a slower surface ? Will he comfortably beat him on the stretch from Miami to FO ? Again the concept is obviously strange for a fangirl, but one match does not make a summer. No question he did well by trouncing Nadal, conditions or not, but if you have watched Rafa play in the past and have some sense of objectivity then you'd realize that Rafa wasn't quite Rafa.
And your inanity is relevant how ?
You are Federer fan, allright.
Correct. Check my posting history. You on the other hand are a touchy ****. Now go get your mom's permission and play some tennis
Tennis_Hands
Banned
Bringing in bad weather, draws and whatnot to "explain" the reality does not exactly show your appreciation of what Federer has done lately.
SF is a good result for a 31 year old tennis player. But, since you call for caution, and people not getting carried away, I cannot help but wonder, are you not carried away with your expectations for Fed to reach every Major final there is and win it, no less? I think there is some cotroversy here. Please, explain.
So, when Nadal loses he is not at his best. Got it.
In fact, why are you arguing about Simon etc. Where was Simon in all those tournaments, to prove you right? Or Murray, for that matter.
BTW. Could you possibly show one post of mine, where I jump the "Federer will have a Djokovic 2011 like 2012". Talking about lacking perspective.
Like I said, it is like Christmas.
Ontopic: If Federer is to regain the number 1 ranking, noone in his right mind will think of that as undeserved or compare it with what Woz has done. However, that is not very likely to happen, unless he remains very consistent.
sunny_cali
Semi-Pro
We aren't talking about any 31 year old - we are talking about the best player of the last decade. Coming of the highs of a 25+ match winning streak, and losing to his nemesis yet again has to be disappointing to anyone who's watched and admired Fed for the last decade, not to mention himself.
Where did I say he was going to win every Major ? Again don't presume too much. He was in an ideal position mentally and physically to finally turn the tables on Rafa at the AO - he failed. And no, I don't expect him to win any Major -- I'd love to see him retire with another Wimby title, but my head says that might not happen.
Not at the WTF, but here he certainly had trouble with the conditions - it's surprising since the conditions should have suited him more than Fed, but he certainly was AWOL for most of the match. Sorry, that's just the way I see it.
Obviously there is no proof -- it's speculation. When the draw came out my first reaction was Fed had a nasty draw. Watching the matches however, it seemed apparent that literally all his opponents (bar Nadal) played the kind of tennis that plays right into Fed's hands. A grinder, especially one that he has had trouble with historically, when he was sick the 1st few days, would have troubled him more. We can agree to disagree and move on.
Now we finally agree on something, and this was precisely what I intended to convey in my 1st post. Of course, the Woz. comparison is too silly and a ruse by the *******s to rile the other group around here. My last post on this topic - i have work to do, just I am sure you have other better things to do!
FlashFlare11
Hall of Fame
The point about Wozniacki is moot. She hasn't show that she can win a slam. Federer is a proven 16-time GS champion.
Now, while the slams are the most pretigious events a tennis player can win, rankings-wise, you can make it up. The rankings reflect players' results over the year. Slams account for only a combined 8 weeks out of the 48 weeks on the ATP calendar. If Federer doesn't win a slam, but still gets to No. 1, it shows that he was the best player most of the time.
Now, while the slams are the most pretigious events a tennis player can win, rankings-wise, you can make it up. The rankings reflect players' results over the year. Slams account for only a combined 8 weeks out of the 48 weeks on the ATP calendar. If Federer doesn't win a slam, but still gets to No. 1, it shows that he was the best player most of the time.
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