JohnYandell
Hall of Fame
Hey what happened to the Limper? Says banned.
http://www.tennisplayer.net/public/tw/nadal/swing_path.html
come on sureshs, help toly see what you saw above with how nadals racket
worked across the ball so great you can see it leave the racket further out
than where it landed above in frame by frame.
Pretty clear here how the across starts early enough to work across on
the strings, despite the short dwell time claimed.
You have seen the Nadal Fh hook down and left from Rafa's view.
I think this would be efficient way to create clockwise sidespin.
Limpin was banned? ouch. Anyone know why?
Not sure what you have in the corner there, but
I ask anyone, from Nalbanian's view,
Is his racket moving clockwise or counter clockwise?
Counter clockwise. Is it supposed to be clockwise?
And its a cute little picture of a clock.. lol.
I understand toly to say this will produce clockwise spin on the ball.
how?
Original picture you can see in http://hi-techtennis.com/.Toly edited the picture since last night. When he first post it yesterday the ball was on the strings on lower left. It appeared the ball was being hit on the left outer side. You can see where he edited out the ball on the first racket image
Not sure what you have in the corner there, but
I ask anyone, from Nalbanian's view,
Is his racket moving clockwise or counter clockwise?
For explanation of the ball spin direction see please picture below. Observer looks at the top of the ball.
I copied the picture from Rod Cross article, “Physics of the Tennis Kick Serve”, http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/kickserve.php
I am not sure what you are saying. In a topspin kick serve, the strings and the ball move in the same general rotational direction.
And a righty Fh will normally spin more like the lefty kick serve pic, right?
Except when he is hitting the buggy whip hooker to bring it back to the court.
Seems to me the direction of spin will depend on whether the inside or outside of the ball is contacted during the forehand or backhand swing.
Not entirely.
Does next picture clarify something?
You are absolutely right.I am not sure what you are saying. In a topspin kick serve, the strings and the ball move in the same general rotational direction.
I’m trying to demonstrate that we can use pronation very efficiently to create clockwise sidespin. We also can use elbow flexion. But, tip of the racquet should be directed upward.Why did you edit out the ball on the strings? Weren't you trying to show how contact was made?
This is after contact.Has contact happened or not?
Direction of the sidespin is exclusively defined by direction of horizontal tangential component of the racquet velocity, because the ball is absolutely symmetrical figure about his center. Inside or outside ball have nothing to do with these types of spins.Seems to me the direction of spin will depend on whether the inside or outside of the ball is contacted during the forehand or backhand swing.
Does next picture clarify something?
I think this would be efficient way to create clockwise sidespin.
Direction of the sidespin is exclusively defined by direction of horizontal tangential component of the racquet velocity, because the ball is absolutely symmetrical figure about his center. Inside or outside ball have nothing to do with these types of spins.
Does next picture clarify something?
In practice it is very important. Ball is not a hard sphere and racket is not a hard rod. The contact is distributed over the whole impact area and can never be tangential.
It is interesting that a truly rigid racket/string and a truly rigid ball can never produce topspin. No, tangential contact will not do, so don't try to rotate your head and hands now and imagine how is possible. In theory, a tangential force has no component into the ball.
Failure to understand that there is a zone of impact is responsible for much confusion. There is no true tangential or grazing shot. A tangential movement of the strings actually deforms the ball and the strings and automatically imparts forward momentum. If you have studied the 2-spring model of topspin, you can see that it is the linear forces of the springs that actually impart the angular rotation. They will automatically also impart a forward momentum.
This is true even for table tennis, where the ball is harder, the rubber is thinner, and the coefficient of restitution is higher. Even in that case, there is no such thing as pure tangential grazing. In tennis, the soft ball and the deforming strings make the forward momentum even more pronounced.
Hey what happened to the Limper? Says banned.
Agreed, but you are diving too deep here and I’m not going to bate that, too old for this stuff.
Yes, that spin is Bh, counter clockwise from Nadal's view
and is what a righty Fh will normally do on a Fh,
like Nalbanain's in the next post, which is also counter
clockwise.
See how that is just the opposite of your earlier post.....
the one below?
See where toly says this motion is for clockwise?? the same as Nadal's Bh, right?
So should be saying counter clockwise.
He was always posting negative comments about people without addressing any technical issue
He was always posting negative comments about people without addressing any technical issue
So are we on the same page now and you see where you were calling the spin
backwards?
That is not true, limpin was a excellent poster and added a lot of good information.
That is not true, limpin was a excellent poster and added a lot of good information.
If you consider name calling and attacking other posters information then sure. I'm sure the ttw mods saw the benefit of all the tennis advice written in code inside all the negative bashing limp did. I'm surprised it took this long for him to be banned. Perhaps when he is allowed to return he will act like a sensible person. Most bans are only for a few days.
I really did not think he was that bad, I am surprised you feel that way. Regardless he did more than just attack, he offered some very good advise.
His follow-through, which is to the side rather than extended out front, shows just how important rotation is in his forehand. In my era, ground strokes were more linear—straight back and straight forward.
He wasn't that bad actually. I usually like his posts. I'm just over exaggerating. He does have a mean streak thought. That's what I felt anyways. He probably got banned because of something unrelated anyways. I predict a 6 day ban.
Nice of Stan Smith to share this observation on Fed Fh and confirm the point
about how the stroke works across with Fed-
and this was dtl as well