Where would Federer be at today if...
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NadalDramaQueen
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Pretty much the same thing, except that everyone would consider Murray and Djoker (not Nadal, as he would still be the clay champ) part of the so called weak era. :lol:
It's all relative, my friends.
It's all relative, my friends.
New Era UK
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Djokovic: ~14
Nadal: ~12
Federer: ~7
Murray: ~1
Nadal: ~12
Federer: ~7
Murray: ~1
Prisoner of Birth
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Federer would likely have won 20 by the time he retired. People underrate Prime Hewitt, Prime Roddick, Prime Nalbandian and especially Prime Safin a lot. It was Federer's ridiculously high level of play, which has never come close to being matched, which made them all look bad. Those are some seriously talented players. Safin when on was a better player than Djokovic ever was or will be. My guess, if all 4 were aged the same :
Aged 19
Australian Open : X
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : X
US Open : X
Aged 20
Australian Open : X
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : X
US Open : Djokovic
Aged 21
Australian Open : Djokovic
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Nadal
US Open : Murray
Aged 22
Australian Open : Nadal
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Nadal
US Open : X
Aged 23
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 24
Australian Open : Djokovic
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 25
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 26
Australian Open : Djokovic
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Nadal
US Open : Murray
Aged 27
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 28
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Federer
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 29
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Federer
Wimbledon : X
US Open : Federer
Aged 30
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Federer
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : X
Come to think of it, he'd likely finish with over 20 Grand Slams. Post-prime Federer could've beaten the field in his prime, he was unfortunate he couldn't use his prime against Nadal's and Djokovic's. Honestly, he would have murdered them outside of their best surfaces more times than not.
Aged 19
Australian Open : X
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : X
US Open : X
Aged 20
Australian Open : X
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : X
US Open : Djokovic
Aged 21
Australian Open : Djokovic
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Nadal
US Open : Murray
Aged 22
Australian Open : Nadal
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Nadal
US Open : X
Aged 23
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 24
Australian Open : Djokovic
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 25
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 26
Australian Open : Djokovic
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Nadal
US Open : Murray
Aged 27
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Nadal
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 28
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Federer
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : Federer
Aged 29
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Federer
Wimbledon : X
US Open : Federer
Aged 30
Australian Open : Federer
French Open : Federer
Wimbledon : Federer
US Open : X
Come to think of it, he'd likely finish with over 20 Grand Slams. Post-prime Federer could've beaten the field in his prime, he was unfortunate he couldn't use his prime against Nadal's and Djokovic's. Honestly, he would have murdered them outside of their best surfaces more times than not.
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The Bawss
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Come on man. You think Fed would have won 3 slams in a calendar year 5 times + the CYGS? That just crazy.
zagor
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Oh it's that thread again
About the same, what slams he would have lost in his peak years he would have made up for at the age of say 29-31, I don't think any of the big 4 will play on the same level as Fed is at that age (if they would be at all still playing) and the rest of the field (especially the young guns which are laughable) is pretty lacking.
He would also have a much better chance of winning more than one FO given the chance of Novak landing in Nadal's half and beating him before the final and my personal belief that say 29 year old Fed who showed up in 2011 FO would have a much better chance of beating 29 year old Nadal than in of their other FO encounters.
Sure, it hurts, I know.
NatF
Bionic Poster
He'd probably do almost as well during his peak years then make up for it when the others were at 30. He'd be #1 for sure, Djokovic and Nadal could end up taking each other out at numbers #2 and #3 and on the US open and Wimbledon surface peak Federer would have a clear advantage.
Thats precisely along the lines of what Fed would have done had a certain Rafael Nadal not been there to stop him in 4 FO Finals + 1 semi final. Had it not been for Nadal, Federer would have made a complete mockery of the men's tour from 2005-2011 and would likely be sitting on 4 or 5 FO Titles plus 1 more Wimbledon & Aus Open.. around 23 Slams, plus 2 or 3 CYGS :shock:
above bored
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Well, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray would not be as good as they currently are for starters. Their frame of reference would be completely different. Federer was responsible for raising the standard, which would not have occurred to the degree it did, as early as it did if he were born later. He set a standard that others tried extremely hard to follow, but nobody blazed a trail for him. If they all came up at the same age, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray would not be able to draw confidence from beating him to the degree they can now. Federer would also be playing them with less pressure than he did, always being the favourite. And conversely they would be under more pressure.
The landscape would be completely different. However, I believe Federer would take them by surprise and start to move away from them at around the same age he did with Hewitt, Safin, Roddick, Ferrero, Nalbandian and the rest of his generation. Federer was just a fellow contemporary when coming up with these players. No one predicted he would go on to dominate the game in the way he did. In fact, he was behind all these players early on and was considered a late bloomer when he did finally win Wimbledon at 21. So your question is sort of answered by what did happen.
To quote Agassi:
"The guy has single-handedly separated himself from a world-class field year after year after year in a way that's probably never been done."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/8229648/Federer-among-sports-greatest-ever-Agassi
I don’t think there would be a significant change in this pattern. A big part of Federer’s success is down to his very flexible talent and problem solving acumen, which would still be intact regardless of when he was born.
DropShotArtist
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OP, the irony of your question is that he would counterintuitively have a chance at even more than 17. Here's why. Yes he may have lost a few of the one he has now. Eg. he may have one USO and possibly one AO. Don't see him losing any of his Wimbledon's especially given that he won even when all of the other 3 were in the draw at their best. Where he would gain more slams is at the FO, where Nadal would have surely lost more given Djokovic 2.0 and now Murray 2.0. Yes I know neither of those guys has beaten Nadal yet at FO, but it's only a matter of time. Moreover, all 3 of the other guys are much more susceptible to early round losses than prime Fed (see, Rosol, Wawrinka, etc). So Fed may well end up with 16 or 17 as he has now, or likely even more! But I doubt less than 16.
It looks impossible but if he could beat djoko2.0 at the french imagine what he would do to a 29-30 year old rafa and djoker, he would have won most of his slams after 27
mariecon
Hall of Fame
exactly. If we're going to assume they were all Fed's age then we must also assume the courts would still be faster courts. Federer would probably have even more slams than he does now.
Dark Magician
Professional
I generally find thread based on pure speculation...weird. But this is interesting.
I believe Fed will have the most, no doubt. In case they overlap for say 40 slams (10 years)+8 slams extra for Fed, assuming Murray and Novak will decline more than Fed. Roger can win around 5W,4US,4AO,1FO out of the 40 and 2W,2US out of next 8. So 18 slams around. Novak around 1W, 3US, 4AO, 2FO i.e. 10 slams. Rafa 7FO,1W,1AO,1US - 10 slams, so Murray ends up with 2W,1US,1-2AO i.e. 5 slams.
P.s. May be i am harsh on murray, but this is just speculation
I believe Fed will have the most, no doubt. In case they overlap for say 40 slams (10 years)+8 slams extra for Fed, assuming Murray and Novak will decline more than Fed. Roger can win around 5W,4US,4AO,1FO out of the 40 and 2W,2US out of next 8. So 18 slams around. Novak around 1W, 3US, 4AO, 2FO i.e. 10 slams. Rafa 7FO,1W,1AO,1US - 10 slams, so Murray ends up with 2W,1US,1-2AO i.e. 5 slams.
P.s. May be i am harsh on murray, but this is just speculation
stringertom
Bionic Poster
I've often wondered what impact Fed would have had if he were born just a few years earlier and played at his '04-'07 level on the faster conditions. Fed/Sampras deserved to be more than a one-and-done rivalry. Fed/Agassi before 'Dre's downturn would also have been exciting.
Russeljones
Talk Tennis Guru
He would be at 30+ Slams and they would have zilch.
cknobman
Legend
Fed would have more than 17 slams easy.
This years AO final had little excitement, even less shot making, and tons of "retrieving". It was so boring even the announcers commented on how little was going on.
The best and most redeeming quality of this years final vs. last years is the fact that they played at a decent pace this year and the dang thing did not drag on for 6 hours.
This years AO final had little excitement, even less shot making, and tons of "retrieving". It was so boring even the announcers commented on how little was going on.
The best and most redeeming quality of this years final vs. last years is the fact that they played at a decent pace this year and the dang thing did not drag on for 6 hours.
Fed at 31 still a threat and is #2 in the world against Nole/Murray/Nadal who are in their prime. If all 4 players are at the exact same age, Fed at 31 would have even greater chance or racking up slams. There's no way Nole/Murray/Nadal at 31 can compete with Federer, their game is too taxing to have that longevity. Also, Nadal is an early bloomer, which would give Fed better shot at winning RG by the time nadal's body break down. And then you have Nole could possibly take out nadal at RG due to the nightmare matchup, and Fed's chance to win RG is better when Nadal is knock out.
It's tricky and alot of variables come into play, but one can argue Fed would still have won 17 if not more.
mightyrick
Legend
Then again, if Brian Baker would have been born with the body of Federer or Djokovic -- he'd probably be one of the best tennis players ever. Certainly better than Djokovic and Nadal -- possibly as talented as Federer.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
This is a tough one, but I'm going to say that in this case, it really only helps Nadal. Because if you remember, a very young Rafa took a prime Fed to 5 sets in 3 straight Wimbly finals, before finally winning on the third try. If they were both in their prime, I feel like Rafa would have won at least 2/3 of those. The only one I feel like would have not won a slam, is Murray.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
No way man. The Rafa of 2010-2012 is a much better player than the Rafa of 2005-2006 when he won his first RG's. I still think Rafa would have dominated RG, and perhaps Fed wouldn't even have won his lone FO title in 2009. I mean there's just no way you're going to say it would favor Fed to play a prime Rafa when prime Fed couldn't even beat a 19-22 year old Nadal @ the French...
I mean how the hell is prime Fed suppossed to beat prime Nadal on clay, when prime Fed couldn't even beat young Nadal on clay?
Nadal is an early bloomer while Fed is a late bloomer. While at 31 Fed is still competitive, but at 5 years younger, nadal right now is falling apart is NOT playing. To sum that up, Nadal would have accomplished more in the early years, but Fed would picked up in the latter years and surpassed him. What Nadal won his first 3 or 4 RG would be during the pre-prime Fed, so those slams alone isn't effecting Fed's long years of dominating the field. Nadal fans even conceded Nadal was a better cc when he was young. So ther's window of oppotunities for Fed to rule the FO when Nadal start deteriorating. No way nadal at 30/31 is going to play at the same level.
These hypotheticals are always difficult. We could say "How great would Fed be considered if they played in the 90's faster courts"? Or "What would we think of Nadal if Fed and Djoke weren't around?
It's fun talk, but things are the way they are.
Realistically, Fed barely leads Nadal outside of clay, so what if Fed refused to play clay? He'd have a winning record.
Tough to know, it spikes many emotions with many people.
QFT. Just leave as it is since hypotheticals are pointless. There's no need to create thead to minimize Federer's achievements.
flyinghippos101
Legend
Dude is 31 and is still competing and and still regularly handing out beat downs to prime Murray and Novak. Fed would probably still been the best of the group
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This is just crazy. Fed just becomes unstoppable as the 4 would get older. This is tough to tell because we have not seen murray djoko or nadal play into their late 20s yet.
veroniquem
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edit. Sorry, wrong thread
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