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My point with Harrison was they traded baseline games and "the ball and speed" were not nothing you imagine !!
Beat Goldoff at Carson when he was seeded I believe no 3 not sure in the 16's and DB did it with a pulled back muscle and fought off some 5 or 6 match points but really That means nothing but there you have your win over Goldoff , I know it was the 16's so it doesn't count , we hit with Goldoff weekly great kid and he jokes about how that loss still haunts him cause he lost to a wounded gimp!
At 16 he still has plenty of time to address some of these issues and I am certain he will. I would love to see him break through and get on tour. In my opinion he needs more top level matches against players that will expose these weaknesses. That is where the REAL learning takes place. I'm sure he is quite fit for a junior, but at the pro level legs and lungs are at a premium. Mirror Andy Murray's training and track work.
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and had you check the rankings 2 to 3 months ago he was no.3 big deal , and as I stated in a post earlier his ranking nationally in the 18's will be about 30 or 35 by April because he is not playing Jrs in the USA as much it will drop weekly , is this what they taught you in college about adding and subtracting ?
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Thanx and we are addressing some of the issues , the one is mainly when and when not to pull the trigger but we see a couple of your points , when he was playing Borna at the OB I got nervous as soon as i saw that kid had nothing left in the tank I was worried DB would start going for broke and allow the kid to win cause of unforced errors , lucky for us at the ITF level you can coach and was able to let him know he needed to hit most of his balls right at him till he broke his spirt and body which he did .
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sorry we missed it by 2 spots but then thats a bigger no. then the amount of wins you and your girl have won , in fact its 200% more then she has done ,none the less here is your new bar you have raised !
as for dogging the top 3 16 year olds we thought it was more important to be top 3 in the nation in the 18's "within that year" then to play the 16's ,,Seriously you wish you had a player who could skip and age group and do this,, put your girl down in the 8's she is No db so trying to act like us and play up a couple age groups is dilusional !!!
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Thank you jgmellor for perhaps the most truthful and enlightening post I have seen so far. These facts somehow seem to be ignored by tennis parents and coaches. I have explained these points many times over the years, but usually not what they want to hear. But the truth nonetheless.
beernutz
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Two grown men using the other's kids as targets in an internet forum flame war seems about one of the most childish and immature spectacles I can ever remember reading and I have been reading forums and bulletin boards for over twenty years. I would not let either one of you coach any child I had authority over based on your behavior in this thread alone.
coaching32yrs
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Read "The Ugly Truth About Tennis". Good article. It was written in 2007. There is less of a relationship betweeen top 5 ITF juniors and a pro career now than 6 years ago. I have heard 2 top ATP players in interviews talk about how they were not world top ranked juniors and played several years in the "minors" before their pro breakthrough- Karlovic and Stepanek. Karlovic achieved an ITF juniors best of 400. Have also read from others on this Board that Anderson and Soeda were not world ranked juniors. I looked up their repective rankings and can confirm that. It is still a better indicator to win OB or junior slam. It can be done without that pedigree, just less likely.
How to Talk Tennis:
- Start a new thread on any topic in the "Junior Tennis" forum: sportsmanship, nutrition, rankings, academies, USTA, phenoms, forehands, backhands, cheating, chip shots, academics.
- Appreciate the contributions of the two or three posters who reply to your query.
- Watch as our two combatants show up and turn the thread into a ******* contest as DB's dad (errr..., massage therapist) and TCF debate DB's prospects for the next seven pages of posts.
- Rinse, lather, and repeat ad infinitum.
Alohajrtennis
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It's the Baughman Corollary to Godwin's Law. Where as Godwins law states that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.", The Baugman Corollary states that "As a Talk Tennis online discussion grows longer, the probability of a the discussion becoming about DB approaches 1"
barringer97
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The question still remains:
How serious are we ??
How serious are we ??
coaching32yrs
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To all on this Board: Did you see Raonic tonight and/or yesterday? In today's match- have you ever seen more aces+ service return clean winners. Awesome display. Is this what the men's game is evolving to? For a youngster thinking of going pro, watching this match would be scary.
why so serious???
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This is a hard topic to debate - logically, if a junior is top 10 in jr ITF rankings, one would think that this will translate to a pro game. In my opinion, this is not a reliable predictor of future pro potential. The reason why I have this opinion is that most of the top 10 juniors that I watched do not play a game that will translate to becoming a pro tennis player. I would put money on juniors that don't buy in to wins and losses in the juniors and spend their junior years preparing for the pro game. They work on their footwork movement, rally patterns, first strike tennis, and most importantly, strength conditioning. They probably will need to spend their formative years hitting and competing against pros to understand how the game is played at the highest level and how can they develop their games to be competitive. Not saying that this is a foolproof plan but, I believe, that this plan will prepare a jr to become a pro if the jr has the talent to do so.
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First off I enjoy sparring with TCF , we actually are like to competitive brothers with more in common then he wants to admit and one day he and I will sit down at some major and drink a soda together but the one thing I can honestly say is that 20 years is a long time on the blogs pretty embarrassing . As for coaching your kid or any other kid you would have not a loss for me so go ahead and take them somewhere else. Let me know if you need a reference ?
Number1Coach
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Rp you in Ca right ?
beernutz
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Rationalize it any way that lets you sleep at night.
Number1Coach
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I watched a guy about 6 or 7 years ago rifle some 51 aces against Andre at the Aussie i believe and still lose .
although the players are getting bigger on average the court is still the same size so there will be changes there always are , the bar will rise to some degree but it will still come down to who will work their rear ends off , study , adjust , make improvements and in the end it will be tennis as always .
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did you need a reference I offer the first one at no charge after that the No.1 coach require $$$ for his insights and written references .
Bash and Crash
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Yes, impressive, remember it was indoors on pretty quick court, and now after three years seems to be his favorite place to play. Always have been huge serving, big groundie players that love indoors, grass, fast surface, which is great. There needs to be different surfaces and styles. I think Goran I. served like 50+ aces against Sampras at Wimbledon before they slowed up the courts and balls.
JM, those of us on this board who try to be sensible have come to that conclusion months ago!
Hey number1coach
Nah I split times between Philippines and Hawaii. Spent 2008-2012 traveling ITF circuits with my daughter and now she is in college, I'm stuck in two places!!
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That's not what I'm talking about. I wouldn't make that claim. You keep making statements about where he will top out - and the last time, which I'm simply pointing out, was a year ahead of where he is now in age. Why not just stop making claims about what hasn't happened yet. You call BB out for doing it, and yet you do it just the same. Just stop and let it play out.
Number1Coach
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BMC I will try and not group you all into what I am going to say but when someone says a kid is at his ceiling of his sport at 16 yet has always been on a solid climb and has a winning percentage at all the high level tournaments he plays and we know that boys growth and maturity continues till something like 22 years of age !
Now here is where I hope you all get irritated at me but this is a guy that swears college is the road and when I bash on the higher learned, TCF is a representitive of the college educated he makes that group sound like idiots with what he says , he is strait up embarrassing for all the pro college people on here and I am sure if you were standing where I am you could see what I see and laugh ?
Has nothing to do with education, has to do with pride. TCF is sticking to his points and his pride, as are you. Someone will be proven right, and someone wrong. I won't make any predictions on someone's pro potential or ceiling as i'm not in a position to judge that. Time will give us all the answers.
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Once again he makes a statemnet about Quincy and his training ,which he has never seen with his own eyes ! We know Quincy have trained with him , he works as hard as he can so this deal he doesnt train that hard is coming from where ? It comes from TCF who never sees a player or their training and knows all.. just like these super crazy good tennis players in far off countries that none of have seen yet TCF swears there out there and will blow our minds !!!
Does anyone on here think this type of thinking is a hyper -dilusional or ?
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I agree where they will all end up no one knows ,the jrs and using that as a way of prediction is ridiculous , he says quincy is at a higher level and I would agree "higher ranking level" we dont spend the money playing everywhere to collect what he has as for hitting level like I said hit with him for almost 2 hrs in NY I saw what happened .
As for education are you sure ? One thing I am seeing with the highly educated these days has to do with common sense !
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BB, why is DB not playing next week in futures of Brownsville TX? Again, he is 16 and it is time to turn pro if you are really serious at giving this a go. You have a minor league system from hell to get through that is based on accumulated points. If he is not sick or injured, he should be playing every futures on the USTA pro circuit schedule. Within 2-3 years, you will know where his ceiling is as a professional.
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justinmadison
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You’re awesome TCF. You just make it up as you go along. Here is an article on the kid you picked as your reference.
http://www.ubitennis.com/sport/tennis/2010/10/23/404207-gianluigi_quinzi.shtml
Here are some quotes from the article
“He hit his first tennis ball at age 2, encouraged by his father, Luka Quinzi”
Wow, sense he started at 2 according to you he should have peaked at 12.
“Gianluigi grew into the game quickly and, by age 8, he had a scholarship at the Bollettieri Academy.”
Scholarship at the Bollettieri Academy at 8 after 6 years of practice. I wonder if they knew he only had 4 more years left before he peaked at 12.
"He's six-feet tall already at 14. How tall is he going to be?" I ask Luka”
Big problem for the kid as you have pointed out ... He was tall as a 14 year old. Kiss of death for sure.
Go ahead, make up some more stuff. You are the best
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So according to your post he focused his efforts on tennis at 7. Taking a scholarship at IMG at 8. I personally think it is ridiculous to start the “clock” at 7 when he was good enough for a scholarship at 8 but I will give you that. You claim that DB started his “clock” at 5 and that now at the age of 16 he has reached his peak. Ok, so Quinzi who is now 17 according to your math has one year left.
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