Violence used on the court! Can't believe it!

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NadalDramaQueen

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SwankPeRFection said:
What ever happened to the old days when this would happen, you could deck his ass and when he's on the ground rolling around you stand over him and say "It was this other guy who accidentally hit you with the ball you ****ing idiot!" Now maybe you'll think twice about just acting like you did next time something like this happens and at least blame the right person.


Oh yeah, that's right... people call the cops now or try and sue you over a bloody nose. Can we rewind back 20-30 years please? Things were simpler back then.
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True, what is the point of spending hours and hours at the gym if you can't lay out a jerk every now and then. :)

Unfortunately, you have to sit there and take it and your only retaliation is to call the police if you want to stay out of trouble yourself.

NLBwell said:
You guys must live in crime-free areas where the police have nothing at all to do if you think someone throwing a water bottle should take precedence over whatever else the police are dealing with at the time. Thank goodness the OP was good enough not to call the police.
Kicking the guy out of the group was probably a good idea. It wouldn't be good if, say a woman in the group, felt unsafe because of the guy's actions. Not so much to punish the guy so much as to have courtesy to the good people in the group.
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Sorry that everyone doesn't live in the hood and that the police in our area care about light assault situations. This is the world we live in, adults shouldn't hit other adults.

5point5 said:
LOL. You wanted to call the cops because he threw a water bottle at you?! Talk about being a baby...
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Big talk. From what I see the people who are so quick to fly off their rockers are the same people who wouldn't last very long if law and order were to break down. They do things like throw around water bottles knowing that they are relatively safe from getting severely beaten in retaliation.
 
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scotus

G.O.A.T.
mikeler said:
Hmm, his weapon was a water bottle which he lost after throwing it. At that point, he is defenseless against my Prince Exo Tour in hand assuming I can catch him...and I probably can...
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Prince Exo3 Tour: a great weapon for those with tennis elbow. After all, it's only a tad stiffer than a water bottle.
 
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NLBwell

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NadalDramaQueen said:
Sorry that everyone doesn't live in the hood and that the police in our area care about light assault situations. This is the world we live in, adults shouldn't hit other adults.
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The OP wasn't hit. He was impacted by a plastic water bottle.
A punch would be different.
 
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NadalDramaQueen

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NLBwell said:
The OP wasn't hit. He was impacted by a plastic water bottle.
A punch would be different.
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I disagree that a punch would be different. From what I read in the OP the bottle was full of water. Getting hit in the right area with about a pound of water could hurt, at the very least.

Anyway, I will amend my statement to read that adults shouldn't attack other adults with their fists or otherwise. I hope that is general enough for you. :) If the police are too busy fighting serious crime, I'm sure they will put the water bottle attacks off until they finish.
 
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Big_Dangerous

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martini1 said:
This is something I never heard of let alone experience on the court! Unreal!

It's a group class for adults, with all kinds of people at the 3.0-3.5 level I suppose. I arrived early along with a couple other students, we were still waiting for the coach and the others to arrive. A teen (the only teen in the class, the rest are in their late 20's to about 40's) saw one of us started to warm up with some serves so he tried to follow. I stood on the other end of the court pretending to return. And the story begins...

At that time a few more people arrived, along with the coach. There is bench by the side of the court and people are laying their bags down to get their gears out. Naturally if you are putting your bag down your back would be facing the court. The teen misfired a serve and hit a guy probably on his butt. It was a ball with some force but no way faster than 50mph had it landed on court. We all knew it was a mistake and somebody made a "UUHHH" "AAAAH" sound. This guy suddenly charge at me with a water bottle in his hand. I must say he acted normal in the past classes and we had no problem getting along. At first I thought he would come to me make a joke or something.

He charged at me and threw the water bottle right at me at full force. I had little time to react and could only turn my body a little. The water bottle hit me on the side of my body. Just to say how hard he threw the bottle, the cap broke and water was spilled. Yes, it did hurt. Like somebody punched me.

He then walked away and acted like nothing happened. I was furious and started to drop the f bomb on him. He then said he thought I was the one to hit with a ball on purpose. He gave a half hearted apology after he found out he made a mistake, but kept saying I needed to chill out and it was "only a water bottle". I immediately said I could call the cops on this. The coach, who I have known for a few years asked me not to escalate the situation and tried to end the matter.

And he did let him stayed in the class. After a 10 min warm up the coach gathered the class again and ask the kid to apologize to the crazy guy, and the crazy guy in return gave me a more serious apology.

Anyway, I thought the coach should really kick him out of the class right at that moment (he did the following week after I called him). Yes, I know it would make the coach look bad if cops showed up and made a big scene where everybody else would watch it like a TV show. I did not call the cops only because the coach keep begging me not to, but in hindsight I think it is better to just let the police handle the situation, and more importantly have him on the record. You never know these days. He could show up in the next class with a knife or something. If we have a arrest record we can easily call the cops again as soon as we see his face, just to scare him not to show up ever. I swear to god if he ever tries to charge at me again I would just swing my racket to defend myself.

Hopefully he is out for good and doesn't try anything stupid like trying to come back to class or register for other future classes I am in.
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Yeah I can understand being a little upset about getting pegged with an errant ball when you are just unpacking your bag, but to charge randomly at someone you think did it and to throw your water bottle at them is beyond ridiculous.
 
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NLBwell

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NadalDramaQueen said:
I disagree that a punch would be different. From what I read in the OP the bottle was full of water. Getting hit in the right area with about a pound of water could hurt, at the very least.

Anyway, I will amend my statement to read that adults shouldn't attack other adults with their fists or otherwise. I hope that is general enough for you. :) If the police are too busy fighting serious crime, I'm sure they will put the water bottle attacks off until they finish.
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A water bottle thrown at the body is not going to break your jaw, smash in your eye socket, give you a concussion, knock you out, or give you permanent brain damage (especially if your head hits the floor while you are unconcious), all of which a good punch could do.
 
martini1

martini1

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NLBwell said:
A water bottle thrown at the body is not going to break your jaw, smash in your eye socket, give you a concussion, knock you out, or give you permanent brain damage (especially if your head hits the floor while you are unconcious), all of which a good punch could do.
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That is NOT true at all. The force was equal to a punch - not a jab, but a punch. The bottle is made of hard plastic and full of water. It will break your nose if it is throw right at your face with some force.

You do not seem to understand what the common law addresses. Unless you are a little kid, if you think using an object to attack somebody is far less serious than a fist attack, you are in some serious misconception.

Permanent injuries are only justified in a civil court when damages are measured. An mere attack in force, no matter how small, is still an attack in a criminal court.
 
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NLBwell

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martini1 said:
That is NOT true at all. The force was equal to a punch - not a jab, but a punch. The bottle is made of hard plastic and full of water. It will break your nose if it is throw right at your face with some force.
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So how many years in jail is appropriate? How many hours of police time, prosecutor time, judges time, clerk's time, etc. is appropriate to be spent on this?
Should the kid who hit him with a tennis ball be prosecuted also? Maybe assault, criminal negligence, or some such thing? I assume that you think at least a civil suit is appropriate. It is certainly more likely that someone could have a serious injury from getting hit by a tennis ball hit by a racket than a water bottle thrown at the body (I've seen someone lose a significant portion of his sight in one eye permanently from a THROWN tennis ball). Do you believe the guy hit by the tennis ball should have called the police on the kid? It is possibly more serious than being hit by a water bottle.

Having the guy thrown out of the group is appropriate.

Geez, not every little thing should be a criminal matter.
 
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NadalDramaQueen

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NLBwell said:
So how many years in jail is appropriate? How many hours of police time, prosecutor time, judges time, clerk's time, etc. is appropriate to be spent on this?
Should the kid who hit him with a tennis ball be prosecuted also? Maybe assault, criminal negligence, or some such thing? I assume that you think at least a civil suit is appropriate. It is certainly more likely that someone could have a serious injury from getting hit by a tennis ball hit by a racket than a water bottle thrown at the body (I've seen someone lose a significant portion of his sight in one eye permanently from a THROWN tennis ball). Do you believe the guy hit by the tennis ball should have called the police on the kid? It is possibly more serious than being hit by a water bottle.

Having the guy thrown out of the group is appropriate.

Geez, not every little thing should be a criminal matter.
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You're quite the odd fellow. You will admit that permanent damage can be done by a thrown tennis ball but not by a thrown bottle full of water.

Just admit it, you're the one who flipped out and threw the bottle when a tennis ball touched you on your back. :)

Judging by your posts, you are not a lawyer and certainly not a physicist, so what exactly is at stake for you here? The OP responded fairly well, he didn't take a swing at the guy and he didn't call the police, so relax. If you are worried about you losing your cool on the courts and getting in trouble with the police, perhaps you should look into that now as a preventative measure.
 
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NLBwell

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Yes, I'm anti-lawyer.
I'm assuming you would have hired an ambulance chaser to sue somebody. Maybe the guy, the kid, the kid's parents, and the tennis facility.
I don't have a problem with the OP's actual actions. Others have said they would have called the police.

So, do you think the guy should have called the police on the kid who hit him with the ball?

I just cry for our society that any little thing is solved by going to court.
 
martini1

martini1

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NLBwell said:
So how many years in jail is appropriate? How many hours of police time, prosecutor time, judges time, clerk's time, etc. is appropriate to be spent on this?
Should the kid who hit him with a tennis ball be prosecuted also? Maybe assault, criminal negligence, or some such thing? I assume that you think at least a civil suit is appropriate. It is certainly more likely that someone could have a serious injury from getting hit by a tennis ball hit by a racket than a water bottle thrown at the body (I've seen someone lose a significant portion of his sight in one eye permanently from a THROWN tennis ball). Do you believe the guy hit by the tennis ball should have called the police on the kid? It is possibly more serious than being hit by a water bottle.

Having the guy thrown out of the group is appropriate.

Geez, not every little thing should be a criminal matter.
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I let u ask those questions to the judge. You can't win this.
 
martini1

martini1

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NLBwell said:
Yes, I'm anti-lawyer.
I'm assuming you would have hired an ambulance chaser to sue somebody. Maybe the guy, the kid, the kid's parents, and the tennis facility.
I don't have a problem with the OP's actual actions. Others have said they would have called the police.

So, do you think the guy should have called the police on the kid who hit him with the ball?

I just cry for our society that any little thing is solved by going to court.
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Who said anything about suing and lawyers?
 
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stapletonj

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AS a lawyer, I kinda resent this.

LAwyers cannot and will not chase clients.
It costs you your license.
Up till about 1972, (Bates and O'Steen v. AZ)
they couldn't even put an ad in the yellow pages.
Ah well, we are evil and actually go out and force people off the street to come into our offices and hold a gun to their head until they sign an atttorney client contract.

These types of "cases" are what we call "hurt feelings" cases. NO lawyer in his right mind takes them, even if the potential client drops $5K on the table and agrees to pay hourly rate instead of contingent. Only possible exception - "Hollywood" stuff, where Mel Gibson slaps somebody, and those kooks, plaintiff's lawyers, defendant's lawyers, plaintiffs, defendants, Judges who even let the case get to trial, are all cukoo.

Best choice of all, I think, was the destroy his property and pour the water bottle into what was left of his bag after I was done with it. (I'm pee-shy, so the urination option isn't there, as well as the sight of my urination tool causing a riot amongst the female clinic participants)
 
martini1

martini1

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stapletonj said:
AS a lawyer, I kinda resent this.

LAwyers cannot and will not chase clients.
It costs you your license.
Up till about 1972, (Bates and O'Steen v. AZ)
they couldn't even put an ad in the yellow pages.
Ah well, we are evil and actually go out and force people off the street to come into our offices and hold a gun to their head until they sign an atttorney client contract.

These types of "cases" are what we call "hurt feelings" cases. NO lawyer in his right mind takes them, even if the potential client drops $5K on the table and agrees to pay hourly rate instead of contingent. Only possible exception - "Hollywood" stuff, where Mel Gibson slaps somebody, and those kooks, plaintiff's lawyers, defendant's lawyers, plaintiffs, defendants, Judges who even let the case get to trial, are all cukoo.

Best choice of all, I think, was the destroy his property and pour the water bottle into what was left of his bag after I was done with it. (I'm pee-shy, so the urination option isn't there, as well as the sight of my urination tool causing a riot amongst the female clinic participants)
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Umm... it is very unusual for a lawyer to suggest something like this.

But in the heat of the moment I doubt most of you would have a cool head to just pour water into somebody's bag, or have time to pee. Especially if you are not sure what the aggressor would do next. If you are not prepared to fight, you may be heading down the wrong path...
 
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spinorama

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Lmao

"Yes officer, that's him over there. He threw his water bottle at me, thank god you got here fast."

That seems ridiculous to call the cops for this man. Why didn't you just say "what the **** are you doing man, it was him and it was an accident. " that will make him look dumb and apologize.
 
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amorris525

Rookie
I would have said let me serve a ball at you while you stand on the baseline with your back facing the court or else leave right now. He thought you hit him and punished you accordingly in his mind, so you should get the chance to actually hit him. Fair is fair.
 
Steady Eddy

Steady Eddy

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That class sure got off to a bad start!

That guy must have felt really foolish when he found out: 1) he retaliated at the wrong guy, 2) that it was an accident in the first place.

Don't get the police involved. Yeah it sucks, but people do dumb stuff all the time. He lost his temper and acted reflexively. Now you're mad, but remember he must feel humiliated. Let's just hope he learned something from this.
 
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