How to get that ripping or scratching sound on a spin serve

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persistent

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Looking for ideas or a video or article that would help on getting more brush on my spin serves. I am catching to much of the ball and would like to get that ripping or scratching sound that comes with a good spin serve. Appreciate any help or ideas.
 
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LeeD

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Swing absolutely as fast as you possibly can.
Hit the ball as slow as you can with that swing.
 
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TennisCJC

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Think of a slightly closed racket face at contact. The concept is a bit tricky but for spin, you can pronate until your racket is square to the intended direction and hit up/across the ball for spin. Or, you can think keep the racket slightly closed, hit more thru the ball but still with some degree of up/across, and think slice thru the ball.

I find a slightly closed face results in a raspier brushing sound while opening up and hitting across has a less sandpaper sound.
 
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TennisCJC said:
Think of a slightly closed racket face at contact. The concept is a bit tricky but for spin, you can pronate until your racket is square to the intended direction and hit up/across the ball for spin. Or, you can think keep the racket slightly closed, hit more thru the ball but still with some degree of up/across, and think slice thru the ball.

I find a slightly closed face results in a raspier brushing sound while opening up and hitting across has a less sandpaper sound.
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that's what I was looking for, that ripping or scratching sound you hear when the pros or top college players hit a spin serve. I will give it a try
 
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TennisCJC said:
Think of a slightly closed racket face at contact. The concept is a bit tricky but for spin, you can pronate until your racket is square to the intended direction and hit up/across the ball for spin. Or, you can think keep the racket slightly closed, hit more thru the ball but still with some degree of up/across, and think slice thru the ball.

I find a slightly closed face results in a raspier brushing sound while opening up and hitting across has a less sandpaper sound.
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when you say keep the racquet slightly closed, hit more through the ball. You actually mean the leading edge of the racquet is slightly closed or turned in towards the ball, just like you hit a topspin forehand with a slightly closed racquet face.
 
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persistent said:
when you say keep the racquet slightly closed, hit more through the ball. You actually mean the leading edge of the racquet is slightly closed or turned in towards the ball, just like you hit a topspin forehand with a slightly closed racquet face.
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yes, let me caution this with I am not a teaching pro so don't sue me if you serve goes to hell in a hand basket. But, I visualize more closed into the racket drop and more "on edge" into contact. Basically, you are delaying some of the pronation until after contact. I don't think delay pronation in my mind instead I think more "on edge" into contact.
 
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LeeD

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Trick is to find the right combination of speed and spin.
Spin to curve the ball IN, arching heavily downwards. Too much spin, you have to aim 5' above the net, slowing down your serves to become a sitter.
Too much speed, you won't get it IN every time, because the ball doesn't arch downwards after clearing the net.
Say, your first flats go 100mph.
A pure second serve swung at least as fast, goes 75 mph.
A serve with bite, and the ripping sound, is a spin serve going 85 mph.
 
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LeeD said:
Trick is to find the right combination of speed and spin.
Spin to curve the ball IN, arching heavily downwards. Too much spin, you have to aim 5' above the net, slowing down your serves to become a sitter.
Too much speed, you won't get it IN every time, because the ball doesn't arch downwards after clearing the net.
Say, your first flats go 100mph.
A pure second serve swung at least as fast, goes 75 mph.
A serve with bite, and the ripping sound, is a spin serve going 85 mph.
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I agree on the right combination of speed and spin. I remember ZP tennis who has that fantastic kick serve, that posts on TW. He said he bladed a lot of balls before he got the right combination.
 
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TennisCJC said:
yes, let me caution this with I am not a teaching pro so don't sue me if you serve goes to hell in a hand basket. But, I visualize more closed into the racket drop and more "on edge" into contact. Basically, you are delaying some of the pronation until after contact. I don't think delay pronation in my mind instead I think more "on edge" into contact.
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Thanks for your input. Can you actually delay some of the pronation after contact is made considering the racquet speed of a spin serve which needs to be pretty fast to get the job done.
 
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LeeD

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Correct answer..
WRONG! You need ALL your pronation as you hit the ball in order to achieve the highest rackethead speed. Any delay is useless, as the ball has already left your racket.
 
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LeeD said:
Correct answer..
WRONG! You need ALL your pronation as you hit the ball in order to achieve the highest rackethead speed. Any delay is useless, as the ball has already left your racket.
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Timming is critical if you pronate to soon you get to much of the ball and little spin.
 
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LeeD

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Why would you DELAY pronation?
You need the full pronation to get the fastest racket head speed for spin serves, including second serves.
Better to fully pronate, on time, and if you hit too flat, change your grip a little more towards backhand.
 
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