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What do you think?
What do you think?
I'd have to go with the Graf forehand. It was such a HUGE weapon and even in today's power game it would still be a huge weapon.
Henin's forehand was better than her backhand I would say. In fact I think her forehand was the single best shot in women's tennis from 2003-2007.
yes henins FH is very underrated. when it was on it was unstoppable but she also had days when she left it short and got punished (very spinny stroke).
was a very good shot but not the same level of consistency and sustained dominance as grafs FH or serenas serve which both were basically "on" every day for more than a decade.
the same is true for some other strokes like stosurs FH which is also unstoppable on a good day but can be less good on other days.
that consistency for like a decade is very rare. there are many big and deadly shots but a shot that is basically "on" nearly every day is very rare. serena for example sometimes plays total crap but usually her serve is still holding up. there are other girls who can hit 120+ but the difference is that serena is very consistent with it and rarely has a bad serve day even if the rest of her game is crap.
Henin's forehand was better than her backhand I would say. In fact I think her forehand was the single best shot in women's tennis from 2003-2007.
Serena's serve. you can't even touch it. so what do you think ?
I'm agreeing with this and with the previous reply about Henin's backhand.
Obviously, it was a great shot, but, as stated, her forehand was better and, overall, I don't think it was the greatest backhand in history.
But, it was so fluid, stylish, a truly beautiful stroke, and it was still effective, so I get why people would vote for it.
The question was "greatest stroke", not "most effective stroke" or what.
So far no comments on the Martina nomination. If you view it as valid combining two volleys as one stroke, I think its right up there with the Serena serve and that forehand. Those volleys as a deadly combination, were devastating and virtually all of her wins should be accredited to them. While King and Goolgong might have comparable backhand volleys, and Court might have had a comparable forehand volley, I don't think anyone had both wings covered so well. No one reached as well, and no one hit volleys with as much power. She had marvelous touch volleys on both wings to supplement.
I saw Martina's entire career. There is nothing wrong with ranking Graf's forehand in front of Martina's volleys. It is just opinion. Nobody is ripping on Navratilova.
If you wanted to add a stroke to the list, I might add Overhead Smash. Now that was a weapon that Martina used to turn the tide in her rivalry with Chrissy and intimidate everyone else. But, now that I think of it, King did the same thing with her overhead. Not sure whose was better.
And, my answer was that I don't think Henin's backhand is the greatest stroke or greatest backhand.
There is no universal criteria for "greatest" stroke. For me, effectiveness is a huge part of stroke greatness, for some others maybe not, maybe they care much more for aesthetics. That's fine.
Why do you think so many people voted for Graf? Because her forehand was the most beautiful, fluid stroke out there? No. Because it was a huge weapon, one of the most effective strokes ever and was always front and center in any match she played.
Of course effectiveness is a huge part of stroke greatness. But do you want to suggest Henin's backhand was not effective?
Graf's forehand was both - graceful and extremely effective.
Graf forehand
Serena serve
Martina's volley
Yea, any of the three I would be proud to own.
Throw in Everett's backhand and you pretty much have an unbeatable female. I mean where on the court could you find a moment where you would feel safe?
I found it ugly, but I voted for it just the same in this poll.
Would someone explain to me what sets Henin's backhand apart for other great backhands? Is it that it was a one-hander in a world of two-handers? i am not denying its a beautiful and effective backhand, but is it really that much more impressive than Goolagong's Mandlikova's or King's, or are these folks impressed by the power a modern racket provides her ? I really don't get it.
Serena's serve and it is not even close.
Graf's FH is way overrated, just like everything else about Graf.
One way to look at it is that Serena only gets to serve at best in 1/2 the games, where Miss Stephie got to plow that forehand every game.
Oh and btw, if her fh was so overrated, how did she rack up so many slams? Yes her foot speed was incredible and her back hand was consistent but doubt that it struck fear in her opponents like a short ball in mid court that you couldn't tell if the fh was going inside out or at the last moment pulled down the line.
Obviously her coaches ruined any potential she ever had!
One way to look at it is that Serena only gets to serve at best in 1/2 the games, where Miss Stephie got to plow that forehand every game.
Oh and btw, if her fh was so overrated, how did she rack up so many slams? Yes her foot speed was incredible and her back hand was consistent but doubt that it struck fear in her opponents like a short ball in mid court that you couldn't tell if the fh was going inside out or at the last moment pulled down the line.
Are you serious? She racked up all the slams thanks to the fact that Seles was removed by despicable act of violence from her path. How many slams would Navratilova have if some lunatic Navratilova fan did the same thing to Evert. Or say apply the same for Federer and Nadal or for Sampras and Agassi, or for ...
Graf is overrated because her competition was slashed using cold weaponry on the tennis court. So she does not count.
Serena's serve and it is not even close.
Graf's FH is way overrated, just like everything else about Graf.
graf won 11 slams before seles was stabbed.
And Seles won zero slams before the Graf family was blackmailed.
Without that Seles never would have reached #1. Simply would not have happened.
Are you serious?.......yack yack, blah blah, butthurt butthurt.......
Only 29-13 in favour of Steffi's forehand against Serena's serve proves how underrated Steffi's forehand actually is. Only explanation is that Serena is still playing while Steffi retired more than 13 years ago.
that is pure speculation. the blackmailing certainly hurt grafs motivation a little but you cannot really compare a blackmailing with a guy stabbing you.
maybe graf during that time was like 10-15% weaker than usual but no one can deny that the stabbing helped graf a lot (although I think that graf was starting to adjust to seles in 92 indicated by the close wins of seles and graf wins).
I was gong to abstain from voting, but this post was the last push I needed to pick Serena Graf's forehand gets more than DOUBLE the votes and you cite that as proof it's underrated (because it should be even more)? I mean really, if it was THAT great, how did she lose to 17 year old Serena? If it was that much better, she should have a winning h2h instead of even. You use the forehand in every game, as someone else pointed out, so she should have obliterated Serena instead of 2 very close matches. I'm really agnostic on the subject, but I definitely think Serena's serve deserves more respect than this.
OK the Seles ubers who try to insist Graf was nothing without the stabbing, Seles is godly and was on her way to GOAThood, blah blah.....are annoying but lets be real here. The stabbing is NOT comparable to a blackmail scandal involving a family member. They are a universe apart.
Graf was in no way in her prime in 1999. She was coming back a major surgery and layoff and was a shadow of her 1986-1996 level. She managed to have some success inspite of that but then again so did Serena in 1999 (U.S Open Champion, Indian Wells Champion, 5 titles, Tennis Magazine Player of year). Serena's 1999 probably ranks alot higher up in Serena's best years than 1999 does for Graf, which would probably be about 12th. If anything the reverse is true, Serena should have spanked Graf that year, but she instead lost once, barely won the other, and lost badly in an exhibition match.
Navratilova and Evert lost to 15-year-old players right in the middle of their careers.
Serena lost a few matches against players ranked below #100.
How bad must Navratilova's volleys, Evert's backhand and Serena's serve have been ...
graf won 11 slams before seles was stabbed.
That is not GOAT worthy.
Serena won zero slams before Seles was stabbed.