The Perfect Tennis Player - Female Version

TheMaestro1990 · Dec 3, 2015

*Edit title* TENNIS not tenkis

Two months ago a made a video of the Perfect tennis Player:

Now, I want to a new video in the same way, but with female players. So I would need help with the following:

Who in history has the best:

Hello guys! I need help for a video. Have you seen my video "The Perfect Tennis Player"? If so, I wanna do a new video exactly like that but a FEMALE VERSION.

So I need suggestion for the following:

First Serve: Serena
Second Serve: Serena?
Forehand: ?
Backhand: Justin Henin?
Passing shots: ?
Slice: Graf?
Volley: Navratilova?
Footwork: ?
Speed: Wozniacki?
Fitness: ?
Smash: ?
Mentally Strenght: ?

Adv. Edberg · Dec 3, 2015

Probably a mix between Graff and Navratilova.

Nathaniel_Near · Dec 3, 2015

Perhaps Graf for footwork and she has a shout for FH as well, but you're probably looking for more interesting choices. Graf might also be the fastest.

She's also the most robotic all-time great player I've ever seen (EASILY more so than Djokovic or even Lendl). She was a quite stylish robot though.

Nathaniel_Near · Dec 3, 2015

@PDJ might give you better and more detailed picks. They know their women's tennis.

TheMaestro1990 · Dec 3, 2015

So how do I get to @PDJ to view this thread?

Nathaniel_Near · Dec 3, 2015

TheMaestro1990 said:
So how do I get to @PDJ to view this thread?

They will view it next time they're online. They will receive notifications from yourself and I @TheMaestro1990 ...

Russeljones · Dec 3, 2015

Graf Williams.

NatF · Dec 3, 2015

Russeljones said:
Graf Williams.

With some Navratilova thrown in at the net.

PMChambers · Dec 3, 2015

Mental Strength - Chris Evert

PMChambers · Dec 3, 2015

Forehand - S Williams

PMChambers · Dec 3, 2015

Smash - Probably one of the 70-80's players like Shriver or Sukova. Both tall, moved well played net a lot and smashed a lot.

RoddickAce · Dec 3, 2015

Second serve - Stosur
Forehand - Graf or Henin
Mental strength - Serena

PDJ · Dec 3, 2015

Just my opinion.

First Serve: Serena/Brenda Macarthy
Second Serve: Serena
Forehand: Graf
Backhand: Evert, Justin Henin/Davenport/both Williams but not as pure.
Passing shots: Evert
Slice: Graf
Volley: Navratilova/King- backhand volley-/Hingis/Bueno
Footwork: Evert/Hingis/Bueno/Cawley
Speed: Graf
Fitness: Court- she practically invented it!
Smash: Navratilova
Mental Strength: Evert/King/Connoly
Lob: Evert
Drop shot: Evert, most Italians. ASV.

pc1 · Dec 3, 2015

Nathaniel_Near said:
Perhaps Graf for footwork and she has a shout for FH as well, but you're probably looking for more interesting choices. Graf might also be the fastest.

She's also the most robotic all-time great player I've ever seen (EASILY more so than Djokovic or even Lendl). She was a quite stylish robot though.

Agreed. Graf imo has the best forehand and maybe best mobility although I think Court, Clijsters, Lenglen and Serena are there for mobility also. I would go with Evert for backhand, Navratilova for volley. For serve it's Serena on first but Stosur for second. Maybe Court or Navratilova for first also.

fuzz nation · Dec 3, 2015

Can't think of exactly which superlative to throw her way, but I'm thinking Aggie Radwanska is mentally rock-solid and also a world class chef when it comes to cooking up a lot of variety.

Also glad that Kim Clijsters is renowned as such a sweet lady. Otherwise her forehand would have left an entire generation of opponents in a state of chronic incurable sadness.

Agree that Hingis is truly a queen of great footwork.

TheMaestro1990 · Dec 3, 2015

PDJ said:
Just my opinion.

First Serve: Serena/Brenda Macarthy
Second Serve: Serena
Forehand: Graf
Backhand: Evert, Justin Henin/Davenport/both Williams but not as pure.
Passing shots: Evert
Slice: Graf
Volley: Navratilova/King- backhand volley-/Hingis/Bueno
Footwork: Evert/Hingis/Bueno/Cawley
Speed: Graf
Fitness: Court- she practically invented it!
Smash: Navratilova
Mental Strength: Evert/King/Connoly
Lob: Evert
Drop shot: Evert, most Italians. ASV.

Thank you!

PDJ · Dec 3, 2015

TheMaestro1990 said:
Thank you!

You're welcome.
I'm sure others will have different points of view.

PDJ · Dec 3, 2015

pc1 said:
Agreed. Graf imo has the best forehand and maybe best mobility although I think Court, Clijsters, Lenglen and Serena are there for mobility also. I would go with Evert for backhand, Navratilova for volley. For serve it's Serena on first but Stosur for second. Maybe Court or Navratilova for first also.

Stosur is a good pick. Also Lenglen - one of the few points I ever agreed with Kiki on was that Lenglen, Bueno and Cawley were the most graceful of players.
Clijsters had a lovely temperament.

pc1 · Dec 3, 2015

PDJ said:
Just my opinion.

First Serve: Serena/Brenda Macarthy
Second Serve: Serena
Forehand: Graf
Backhand: Evert, Justin Henin/Davenport/both Williams but not as pure.
Passing shots: Evert
Slice: Graf
Volley: Navratilova/King- backhand volley-/Hingis/Bueno
Footwork: Evert/Hingis/Bueno/Cawley
Speed: Graf
Fitness: Court- she practically invented it!
Smash: Navratilova
Mental Strength: Evert/King/Connoly
Lob: Evert
Drop shot: Evert, most Italians. ASV.

Very nice choices. Incidentally you mentioned Evonne. I forgot about Evonne! She is in consideration for backhand and movement. As you wrote, she was so graceful.

Tristan Meadows · Dec 3, 2015

Sharapova's good looks

PDJ · Dec 3, 2015

pc1 said:
Very nice choices. Incidentally you mentioned Evonne. I forgot about Evonne! She is in consideration for backhand and movement. As you wrote, she was so graceful.

I think Cawley and Bueno also possessed best backhand smashes - they both hit it beautifully and almost balletic, yet very effective.

TheMaestro1990 · Dec 11, 2015

PDJ said:
Just my opinion.

First Serve: Serena/Brenda Macarthy
Second Serve: Serena
Forehand: Graf
Backhand: Evert, Justin Henin/Davenport/both Williams but not as pure.
Passing shots: Evert
Slice: Graf
Volley: Navratilova/King- backhand volley-/Hingis/Bueno
Footwork: Evert/Hingis/Bueno/Cawley
Speed: Graf
Fitness: Court- she practically invented it!
Smash: Navratilova
Mental Strength: Evert/King/Connoly
Lob: Evert
Drop shot: Evert, most Italians. ASV.

Who would you say has the best return in history?

PDJ · Dec 11, 2015

TheMaestro1990 said:
Who would you say has the best return in history?

Personally, Evert. But strong case for Seles.

TheMaestro1990 · Dec 11, 2015

PDJ said:
Personally, Evert. But strong case for Seles.

Alright, thanks.

I find it extremely hard to find clips of particular shots from players from the 70s/80s. Just full matches, this will take a lifetime lol.

PDJ · Dec 12, 2015

But would be so cool.
it's a shame you don't have more posts.
I'm copying in some people who will have a view- including posters whom will have very different thoughts to my own. Hopefully they will contribute.
@stringertom @Vanhool @Mr.Lob @boredone3456 @BTURNER @Aussie Darcy @Pagoo @romeo8880 @JJGUY @Boozyuzi @bezs @krosero @Moose Malloy
I'll add more people as I think of them.

PDJ · Dec 12, 2015

Also- I can find video clips.

PDJ · Dec 12, 2015

PDJ said:
Personally, Evert. But strong case for Seles.

I'll qualify that:
Evert against s&v players- she played an awful lot of them.
Seles against baseliners.

TheMaestro1990 · Dec 12, 2015

I actually worked like an idiot last night and finished the video!

stringertom · Dec 12, 2015

Right up there with any of the top ones for footwork/volleys: Hana Mandlikova.

She was doing SABR when Rogi was in diapers!

PDJ · Dec 12, 2015

TheMaestro1990 said:
I actually worked like an idiot last night and finished the video!

This is brilliant. Thoroughly enjoyed watching.
personally I don't agree that Graf has the best drop shot but that's a minor quibble given the effort this must have taken you.
I hope you get a wider audience to view it.
I'll add a comment on YouTube.
Excellent.

PDJ · Dec 12, 2015

stringertom said:
Right up there with any of the top ones for footwork/volleys: Hana Mandlikova.

She was doing SABR when Rogi was in diapers!

Another Kiki fave. He'd love this thread.

Mandlikova was too talented. Too many options. And, yes, beautiful footwork, but rather a lottery what she'd hit once she glided to the ball.
I always thought her a surly goolagong.

TheMaestro1990 · Dec 12, 2015

PDJ said:
This is brilliant. Thoroughly enjoyed watching.
personally I don't agree that Graf has the best drop shot but that's a minor quibble given the effort this must have taken you.
I hope you get a wider audience to view it.
I'll add a comment on YouTube.
Excellent.

Thanks for your comment! And Thanks for the help advicing about the selections.

Would be nice if you could share the video

Mr.Lob · Dec 12, 2015

Cool video. And nice selection on those Chris Evert passing shots. Navratilova hit some wicked slice backhands, deep in the corners, and Evert hit some great shots.

PDJ · Dec 12, 2015

TheMaestro1990 said:
Thanks for your comment! And Thanks for the help advicing about the selections.

Would be nice if you could share the video

Happy to. Will also share it on my fb page.

boredone3456 · Dec 12, 2015

First Serve: Venus
Second Serve: Serena
Forehand: Graf
Backhand: Henin
Passing shots: Evert
Slice: Graf on the backhand, Shriver on the forehand
Volley: Navratilova
Footwork: Vicario
Speed: Vicario
Fitness: Dementieva (I can explain this one)
Smash: ? Need to think
Mentally Strength: Evert
Return: Dementieva

I added return if serve because now a days that is just as important

pc1 · Dec 12, 2015

TheMaestro1990 said:
Who would you say has the best return in history?

Lots of choices there. Evert, Seles, Lenglen, Serena (for her aggressive attacking return under pressure), Clijsters, Henin, Wills, Connolly and Dementieva. Dementieva obviously had a great return to offset her weak serve.

pc1 · Dec 12, 2015

boredone3456 said:
First Serve: Venus
Second Serve: Serena
Forehand: Graf
Backhand: Henin
Passing shots: Evert
Slice: Graf on the backhand, Shriver on the forehand
Volley: Navratilova
Footwork: Vicario
Speed: Vicario
Fitness: Dementieva (I can explain this one)
Smash: ? Need to think
Mentally Strength: Evert
Return: Dementieva

I added return if serve because now a days that is just as important

You just beat me by a short time with the choice of Dementieva. LOL.

boredone3456 · Dec 12, 2015

pc1 said:
You just beat me by a short time with the choice of Dementieva. LOL.

Her return accuracy and win % was god like. She won like 50%of her return games some years. She had the worst serve in the top 10 during her career but one of the best returners of her generation by far.

pc1 · Dec 12, 2015

boredone3456 said:
Her return accuracy and win % was god like. She won like 50%of her return games some years. She had the worst serve in the top 10 during her career but one of the best returners of her generation by far.

If only she had a decent serve. I liked Elena and I usually rooted for her. At least she won the Olympics.

Shaolin · Dec 12, 2015

Add Hingis to my post for touch shots, creativity and point construction.

Nice list @boredone3456

Man of steel · Dec 12, 2015

boredone3456 said:
First Serve: Venus
Second Serve: Serena
Forehand: Graf
Backhand: Henin
Passing shots: Evert
Slice: Graf on the backhand, Shriver on the forehand
Volley: Navratilova
Footwork: Vicario
Speed: Vicario
Fitness: Dementieva (I can explain this one)
Smash: ? Need to think
Mentally Strength: Evert
Return: Dementieva

I added return if serve because now a days that is just as important

Thats a bit weird. But serena's first serve is far superior to venus first serve... Venus has higher top speed by 1mph but other than that serena destroys her in placement, variety consistency, disguise and matches venus in top speed. Putting any other person in first serve other than serena is just delusional

BTURNER · Dec 12, 2015

PDJ said:
Personally, Evert. But strong case for Seles.

Evert for first serve, Seles for second with honorable mentions for Hingis and Graf.

By the way, how often did Court miss returns of serve? I haven't watched a lot, but I can't remember bad ones off her racket.

Man of steel · Dec 12, 2015

pc1 said:
Lots of choices there. Evert, Seles, Lenglen, Serena (for her aggressive attacking return under pressure), Clijsters, Henin, Wills, Connolly and Dementieva. Dementieva obviously had a great return to offset her weak serve.

i honestly feel serena, clijsters azarenka are in my top 5. Also dementieva. I wouldn't really know how evert or seles would do against the top servers of the past 10-15 years but considering they've rarely faced 110+ mph serves if ever i'm going to have to go with the modern players. Barely anyone ever aces serena. She pretty much gets a racket on nearly everything. Same with clijsters and she had good placement for difficult serves.

Triskadekaphilia · Dec 12, 2015

TheMaestro1990 said:
*Edit title* TENNIS not tenkis

Two months ago a made a video of the Perfect tennis Player:

Now, I want to a new video in the same way, but with female players. So I would need help with the following:

Who in history has the best:

Hello guys! I need help for a video. Have you seen my video "The Perfect Tennis Player"? If so, I wanna do a new video exactly like that but a FEMALE VERSION.

So I need suggestion for the following:

First Serve: Serena
Second Serve: Serena?
Forehand: ?
Backhand: Justin Henin?
Passing shots: ?
Slice: Graf?
Volley: Navratilova?
Footwork: ?
Speed: Wozniacki?
Fitness: ?
Smash: ?
Mentally Strenght: ?

Great video!

IMO... forehand = Graf, pass = Crissy, rest is good except Wozniacki??

pc1 · Dec 12, 2015

Man of steel said:
i honestly feel serena, clijsters azarenka are in my top 5. Also dementieva. I wouldn't really know how evert or seles would do against the top servers of the past 10-15 years but considering they've rarely faced 110+ mph serves if ever i'm going to have to go with the modern players. Barely anyone ever aces serena. She pretty much gets a racket on nearly everything. Same with clijsters and she had good placement for difficult serves.

That is a great point. I respect players that are quick enough to return shots that may be aces against anyone else. Some players like that in the Men's game would be Laver, Borg, Connors, McEnroe, Edberg, Nastase, Federer, Djokovic and Murray. Agassi was a super returner but I felt he was aced a lot more than some of these guys.

Sharapova among the women may hit a lot of winners and yes she's an excellent returner but I feel she has a lot of trouble with big server like Serena or Venus. Of course almost everyone does but the players you mentioned can neutralize it to some degree. I forgot about Azarenka but her return is up there with anyone's.

PDJ · Dec 14, 2015

Man of steel said:
i honestly feel serena, clijsters azarenka are in my top 5. Also dementieva. I wouldn't really know how evert or seles would do against the top servers of the past 10-15 years but considering they've rarely faced 110+ mph serves if ever i'm going to have to go with the modern players. Barely anyone ever aces serena. She pretty much gets a racket on nearly everything. Same with clijsters and she had good placement for difficult serves.

I like Clijsters a great deal, but towards the end, she was plagued by double faults at the worst times. Not that were lots of doubles, but enough to lose her matches coming when they did. It was a great shame- I only remember because she was my clear favourite female player back then.

maxxy777 · Dec 14, 2015

Best and most complete female player off all time without looking physical side of tennis is Martina Hingis.She lacked all physical attributes number one in wta ever had and i mean all: hight,speed,strenght,fitness.That must make her incredible mentaly to cover up those flaws and still make it as number 1 in the world.
So just combine with player who had all of this physical atributes.
And voila you have perfect female tennis player Martina Hingis with body of Serena Wiliams

BTURNER · Dec 14, 2015

Oh and as for lob, that is Evert. Off both wings, defensive or offensive and a fine lob volley. This is another category that discriminates against modern players. Very hard for them to show a consistent lob from any part of the court, when they hit so few of them.

PDJ · Dec 14, 2015

BTURNER said:
Oh and as for lob, that is Evert. Off both wings, defensive or offensive and a fine lob volley. This is another category that discriminates against modern players. Very hard for them to show a consistent lob from any part of the court, when they hit so few of them.

Absolutely. Second to none. I wrote this in my original selection.
The match with the best examples, for how many she hit, and the variety Evert had, is possibly the Houston 87 Final against Navratilova. BJK commentating said they'd wished they kept stats on how many winning lobs she'd hit.
After Evert hit about her tenth (all different) winning lob, the other commentator said "oh my God, she's incredible".
She really was.

adil1972 · Dec 14, 2015

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