09/11/2001 -- Never Forget
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Dedans Penthouse
Legend
.... as the DNC vs. RNC "eff-you!" brushfires continue to pop up one-after-another in Rants 'n Raves ....
...how quick they forget in midst of their acromonious zealotry.... :neutral:
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/what-911-taught.html
...how quick they forget in midst of their acromonious zealotry.... :neutral:
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/what-911-taught.html
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
Rest in peace.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
Thank you, Friend!
When all is said and done and the calm comes after endlessly debating the causes, motivations, faults, etc., it all comes down to one thing: Thousands of innocent people lost their lives that day. It was needless and cruel and my heart goes out for everyone who has suffered as much today as I did that day. Differences in races, cultures, genders, religions, etc. aside, the day we let go of our empathy and inherent belief in humanity is the day we have lost ourselves.
Thanks for posting the video friend.
I get choked even now watching those images.
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I just finished watching a lot of those tv images on a show depicting the events of that day. The feel today is the same as it was then: there is no justification for murdering 3000 innocent people. As I saw footage of the towers coming down and the ash pushing through the city, I was thinking about those 'insider' theories. How anyone can truly believe that this was an inside job is quite extraordinary. In any case, I agree with the other posters who are thinking about those lost and their families.
stormholloway
Legend
No, you're right. It makes sense that cave dwelling Arabs penetrated the most advanced air defense system in history.
superstition
Hall of Fame
Wasn't there something about a Kennedy administration guy who proposed killing American civilians in a meeting, or something? I can't remember the details. It didn't happen, of course, but it was a bizarre example of a contingency plan or something.
In other reading:
http://www.amazon.com/Plutonium-Files-Americas-Medical-Experiments/dp/product-description/0385314027
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4532634/A-Brief-History-of-Human-Experiments
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HappyAndFriendlyAlways
Banned
you obv have not seen loose change
if you knew all the facts, you would erase what is in bold
ps: i am quite extraordinary thanks
stormholloway
Legend
There was a plan to commit terrorist acts domestically to blame on Cuba. It's called Operation Northwoods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
I think it should at least inspire people to ask questions.
stormholloway
Legend
The appropriate thread was deleted because some poster came on and started insulting my mother, so here is the only appropriate thread.
The subject is 9/11, is it not?
The subject is 9/11, is it not?
superstition
Hall of Fame
Part of thinking about 9-11 is thinking about our own flaws. That's something that Americans should take to heart.
Look in the mirror before looking around to find fault is an old adage, and a good one.
9-11 is about more than innocent people being killed. It's fundamentally political. It was supposed to have "changed everything" (which was what was said about Pearl Harbor).
superstition
Hall of Fame
Thank you for that. I couldn't find it.
lilminihorse
Rookie
you act like these guys were cavemen. they were people who hate us in every way and form with millions in backing
superstition
Hall of Fame
I wonder if they hated us when we were training and arming them against the Soviets?
stormholloway
Legend
But they couldn't even fly planes. They took flying lessons here in the States (for some reason), and their instructors are on record as saying they were terrible pilots.
So with all this backing, they couldn't find anybody who could fly a plane?
Hate alone does not allow you to move mountains. Three separate planes crash into national landmarks without one single jet intercepting? I can understand one jet hitting, but two, three, and no air defense response? No interception? Fairy tales.
So with all this backing, they couldn't find anybody who could fly a plane?
Hate alone does not allow you to move mountains. Three separate planes crash into national landmarks without one single jet intercepting? I can understand one jet hitting, but two, three, and no air defense response? No interception? Fairy tales.
lilminihorse
Rookie
nope but then we did what we usually do and left them to fend for themselves afterwards just like in Iraq in 01
lilminihorse
Rookie
I guess that goes to show the jets from andrews couldn't get there in time. It's not like those guys were sitting in the f-16s waiting..
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superstition
Hall of Fame
Don't forget the renovation wing in the Pentagon. How convenient that that particular wing was under renovation at the time, and thus practically empty. Of course, being able to precisely hit a certain spot with a large aircraft is pretty unlikely, eh?
lilminihorse
Rookie
what does that have to do with anything?
stormholloway
Legend
Are you kidding? That's, essentially, exactly what we have. We have pilots always ready to intercept. It takes mere minutes to be in the sky.
At 8:28 am AA flight 11 is reported hijacked, and at 9:38 am AA flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon. That's over an hour. All these years prior to 9/11/01 it takes us over an hour to defend our nation's capital?
Of course what actually hit the Pentagon is unknown because all 70 surveillance camera tapes have been confiscated.
Just one in a plethora of coincidences. How many must there be before you at least ask questions?
lilminihorse
Rookie
keyword, have not had
lilminihorse
Rookie
yes and Ronald Wilson Reagan is actually the devil because each name has 6 letters right?
stormholloway
Legend
You're basing this on what knowledge? It was well known that it takes mere minutes to get intereceptors in the sky when there has been a hijacking. It never took an hour, or even a half hour.
Get your facts straight.
Typical. You can't face the truth, so you spew this gibberish.
lilminihorse
Rookie
I base it on knowledge of the usaf and noble eagle
you're thinking pre 9/11 like we had guys standing by waiting to intercept civilian airliners.. why would we need that? we wouldn't. places like alaska need that; if you don't know why I'm not going to spoon feed you the information.
gibberish?????? aren't you the one spewing the conspiracy theory crap?
"ahhh the government's after us AHHHHHH!!!!"
stormholloway
Legend
Absolute lies. Pre-9/11 jets intercepted civilian aircraft all the time. The procedure has not changed.
"ahhh the muslims is after us AHHHHH!!!!"
elee3
Rookie
During the Cold War they had it. Between the end of the Cold War and Pre-9/11 it was way more relaxed. The reason for it during the Cold War was making sure the Soviet Union wasn't planning some attack. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, this threat was pretty much gone so there was no reason to have hundreds and thousands of jets in the air making sure they can react to anything. Things were in really high alert during the Cold War and things got way more relaxed after it.
lilminihorse
Rookie
all the time???? and you base that on your tennis skills? don't think so. I know you want to think the govt is after you and has spy cameras in your bedroom; it's not the case. just relax
stormholloway
Legend
We're talking about a hijacking. Like I said, a hijacking was reported at 8:30am. But at 9:40am an airliner hits the Pentagon? There was over an hour to get planes ready.
There are numerous anecdotes of private, propeller planes being intercepted by fighter jets, yet a commercial airliner is hijacked and there's no immediate response? You people clearly don't know standard operating procedure. It is standard operating procedure to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost, and was so before 9/11/01.
129 times it happened in 2000. Are things becoming clearer for your thick heads to understand? When flight 11 stopped responding to radio contact at 8:15 jets should have been scrambled, and it only takes 15 minutes to get a jet in the air. They had nearly an hour and a half to do so and didn't.
Do the math.
There are numerous anecdotes of private, propeller planes being intercepted by fighter jets, yet a commercial airliner is hijacked and there's no immediate response? You people clearly don't know standard operating procedure. It is standard operating procedure to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost, and was so before 9/11/01.
129 times it happened in 2000. Are things becoming clearer for your thick heads to understand? When flight 11 stopped responding to radio contact at 8:15 jets should have been scrambled, and it only takes 15 minutes to get a jet in the air. They had nearly an hour and a half to do so and didn't.
Do the math.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
Stormy, did you ever watch the video I suggested? I never heard your feed back.
Serve em Up
Rookie
Correction:
"You people" means Stormy. He's been at this conspiracy crap for years. He thinks if he keeps it going long enough history and the facts will change.
stormholloway
Legend
It was Zeitgeist right? I've seen that one. It's really good.
The facts won't change, but history will because history is just the story that's written for idiots to tell they're children.
Since when do you care about the facts? You couldn't conceive of even responding to my previous post, which proves the absolute abnormality of our air defense standing down.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
stormholloway
Legend
Nope, guess again.
Hmm. Well that thread was deleted, so I guess we'll never know.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
I will help your cause. I am not afraid of debating and actually feel it becomes more interesting the more ammo an opponent has. I have already left you the link to Esoteric Agenda (approximately two hours long) but perhaps I was on your ignore list that day.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6030443037963555139
lilminihorse
Rookie
is this how you do it? repeat what you call facts that are completely not true thinking that someone out here doesn't know the truth? the andrews birds weren't ready and didn't launch. the Mass birds launched 30 mins after flight 11 was hijacked.. flight 11 hit the trade center 22 mins after it was hijacked. no way for something to intercept that fast unless it's already in the air.
stormholloway
Legend
Excuse me? If I've made up a fact then why haven't you called me on it specifically?
Right, the Andrews "birds" didn't launch... for what reason? Do you know? Does it make you feel like a pilot when you call them "birds"?
stormholloway
Legend
I will help your cause. I am not afraid of debating and actually feel it becomes more interesting the more ammo an opponent has. I have already left you the link to Esoteric Agenda (approximately two hours long) but perhaps I was on your ignore list that day.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6030443037963555139
No, I think I did watch about an hour of that. About Freemasons etc.?
Did you watch Loose Change: Final Cut?
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
I recommend you take the time to watch the whole thing. I don't care for the narration....the guy has a weird pronunciation and speaks too quickly. It's like they took six hours of info and crammed it into two.
But yes, it deals with the New World Order, the supposed doomsday, various government cover ups and conspiracies. I actually found it to be quite interesting. I have watched Loose Change three times, but not a final cut.
stormholloway
Legend
I'll watch it. If you get bored, watch Zeitgeist. It's particularly good, and quite slick in its production.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
I am always open to new ideas so I believe I will give it a go. Thanks for the recommendation.
lilminihorse
Rookie
I am a pilot... so I guess I have every right to feel like one.
there are a ton of reasons why the DCANG didn't scramble on time... do some research before you spew your rhetoric and you wouldn't have to use so many question marks.
stormholloway
Legend
Amazing that you haven't named one reason then. Are you telling me that it takes an hour and a half to get a jet in the air to defend out nation's capital? Or is that just "pre-9/11". So you're basically saying we didn't have air defense at all. There were solo pilots in Cessnas being intercepted in a matter of minutes before 9/11, but we can't stop a hijacking in over an hour? Use your brain.
Wow, you can Google. Try this one:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...:en-US:official&hs=IXo&q=half+wit&btnG=Search
