ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Agree. Think it would be a great match with either. Hope you all get the chance.
4.5 player looking to get to the next level.
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Agree. Think it would be a great match with either. Hope you all get the chance.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
tofast4u05
Rookie
Think he was using you as a benchmark.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
That was very interesting to watch. I agree that when you have two players more evenly matched it can be hard to tell. These guys were playing nationals at 5.0 so they were likely close to 5.5 players. And if you just showed me the match I wouldn't necessarily be able to say they were necessarily that much better then the 4.5 players I saw on essential tennis. Not that I am good telling these things anyway.
So did the lanky kid end up winning all his matches?
He had a devastating forehand but it seemed only the 3rd player (starting play around 7:00) really tried to test his backhand. I would think at that level testing someone's backhand compared to their forehand would be one of the first things you do. But I guess it is easy to say hit to their backhand when you are sitting watching a youtube video instead of trying to chase down balls.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Andrew is a good 5.0, but these guys are not close to 5.5. That is a whole different level. Not sure how Andrew did overall in the tourney as I was just tooling around. For 5.0 you mostly see past college or formally trained pedigree, but 5.5 you will find mostly D1 or club pros and such.
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
So mid level 5.0s end up at nationals? Perhaps there are so few 5.0 teams that the national teams tend to be more representative of the level as opposed to everyone that plays being on the verge of advancing?
MaxTennis
Professional
I'd be down to play when I move back to NorCal in January!
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Well, it is a DYNAMIC rating. You can look up Andrew and see how his ratings have gone. This particular tourney, and for a lot of the 5.0+ end up with some cusp players being invited to play up, and other to play down. That is not a knock on anyone though, and what I think most miss in this long drawn out threads. Suffice to say though, moving from 4.5 to 5.0 is much bigger than going from 3.5 to 4.0, where any coordinated athlete can usually move up with decent skills. And then 5.0 to 5.5...way different level of tennis all together.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
I might be in NorCal around that time so if it happens let me know in case. Love to get front row.
MaxTennis
Professional
I might be in NorCal around that time so if it happens let me know in case. Love to get front row.
Sure! Just text me when and we can hit too
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
That will be a great matchup!
A poser 5.0 XD
Because of your obvious hurt ego, in the way in which you are replying to my post loll.
You don't have any power, so you resort to saying that it's not the only weapon - lol BS. Why wouldn't you want to add another weapon to your arsenal?
Do you see any Pros without power? cmon man.
Why do you compare yourself to the 'low' 5.0s Why even put them in the same category?
Can ANYONE drop shot a 100+mph recreational serve? 120?
How else would you return it? Lob? Smashed. Slice? Too much pace.
Boom boom, 2 shots per point.
Even in the 2nd & 3rd set, you'd have an edge, since you can hit the ball a lot more efficient than your '5.0' opponent can.
You can run as fast or faster than him AND have power. Junk balls? Cmon man, he has no chance. High loopers in hopes of long rallies? Nope, you can hit 10-20 balls easily 60% pace.
Your level of aspiration ain't mine. Sorry XD
So, then everyone else is a 4.5 Good technique, can hit every shot, but just not as fast paced.
Fast paced balls require you to be very fit. You need fast recovery times, since the ball will come back faster if you decide to hit winners and the guy gets to it.
Or you can spin/overpower him. Still need to keep up the level for 3 sets.
How can my buddy even say he's a 5.0, and they're in the same league? Either bump him up to a 5.5, or take my buddy down to 4.5
If Andrey fixes his forehand stroke - he's got a coach working with him - he could even be 6.0 trying out challengers.
I think you and I live in different areas of the world.
Maybe you should consider your area and what rating you'd get in a different area.
4.5 nationals? lol ok buddy GJ. Welcome to the "everyone's" in the 5.0 category club. Probably still a 4.5 here.
Your attitude reminds me of some spoiled kid who's won in his local area, and goes out to brag to everyone how good he is.
I hear "I'm 5.0" or "I'm 4.5" - "You should listen to me" all the time, especially "coaches".
The original post is for saying that you should practice hitting with power. Not just a 'rally'.
But somehow someone's ego got hurt, and resorted to trying to correct their ratings. wtf.
Dimitrov got taught that he's REALLY good, and he believes it. Has he won anything? Look how fast he is. Baby Federer!
lol
And I bet some of you STILL don't get it.
I know, you guys really just wanted to discuss this:
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
Some people love numbers and decimal points .0 .5 to describe their tennis play XD.
Get it NOW?
Is this UTR to NTRP conversion chart accurate?
tt.tennis-warehouse.com
Get it NOW?
@tofast4u05
So if you're going 60% all the time, how would that fare against the massive spin 5.0 guy dominating "60%ers" in the video?
You think he's only going 60%? Or that's just his 'normal'?
Even his serve - especially - has SPIN, and pace. Because he knows it's the way to do it. And it took him many years/tears/struggles to obtain this weapon.
lol @ junk ballers who try to drop shot these or lob. Too much action on the ball, sorry guys.
lol @ 12:20-12:33 in the video. That's what you'd look like if you don't have power. Sorry the guy in the red.
Red guy put the ball in a good spot (corner) to turn the point around, but didn't have the power to finish the point the shot after.
5.0-! not. Back to 3.0 buddy. That's how I'd think if I played the point like that.
Not - I'm still a 5.0 I'm still a 5.0 I'm still a 5.0 I'm still a 5.0 I'm still a 5.0
If everyone he played were 5.0s, and he won decidedly, then does that STILL make everyone else 5.0s?
Why's there gotta be 5.0- 5.0 5.0+
Ratings are for ___.
See my point?
Are you gonna find people like that to hit with now or what.
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jdawgg
Semi-Pro
Yikes... After all this time that's your response? I like how you ignored all of my arguments and just attacked me (ad hominem). It looks like yours is the ego that is hurt here.
So, your argument is: I would not be as highly rated if I were in your area?
My response: I've been to 4.5 Nationals three times in the past decade and done very well each time (7-1). Nationals is literally playing all the different sections best 4.5 teams in the United States if you didn't understand that. This year I had straight sets singles wins over NorCal, Southern and Middle States singles players. Southern placed second at 4.5 Nationals 2021. Based on all my National level experience playing different sections do you really think you know better about how I would be rated in a different section?
Did you know that the USTA balances NTRP ratings every year based on that sections results at Nationals? This keeps sections relatively balanced. The big advantage bigger city sections have is a bigger pool of players that are at the high end of the dynamic ratings. Very different from saying a player with a dynamic rating of 4.25 in SoCal is leagues better than a player with a dynamic rating of 4.25 in PNW (which is not true at all, they will be fairly equal).
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
"Hurt ego"? No, I fully recognize that I lack power. And all of my opponents would concur. That's not what is keeping me from 5.0, IMO; I have much bigger problems like lack of consistency. It doesn't matter how much power I have if I can't control it and I have enough trouble controlling the power I do have without trying to add more.
Who said I don't want to add another weapon? That's the wrong question. The questions are what tradeoffs do I have to make to achieve it, what is the benefit, what is the timeframe, and what's the likelihood of success? Also, is there something else that has a higher payoff?
Having played 20+ years, becoming a power player at this point isn't very realistic.
You're great at moving goalposts: the discussion was about 5.0, not pros. And yes, I do see 5.0s for whom power is not their primary [or even secondary] weapon. Not the "5.0s" you posted videos of, of course, most of whom are 5.5+.
To illustrate that there are some 5.0s that don't fit your claim that "all 5.0s would destroy" @tofast4u05's shots. Again, I'm not referring to your posted examples. Those guys would indeed crush me.
I'd stand at the back fence and try to block it. "Try" being the operative word.
I don't think any 5.0 I've faced had a 120mph serve. They definitely had 100mph serves but so do some 4.5s.
How did you jump from having more power to also running faster?
From my mid-4.5 perspective, he would definitely not get destroyed by all 5.0s because I've not gotten destroyed by all 5.0s and he's better than I am. Not a big sample size for me but there you have it.
No need to apologize although it's irrelevant what my aspirations are when talking about how a 5.0 would handle tofast's shots.
The classic "power is not everything" example is Brian Su. Here he is in a money round robin in So Cal, which is most likely 5.0 and up [So Cal is not known for being a weak region]. I couldn't find Su in the USTA DB but Eiges is an NTRP 5.0/UTR 9. Chang is in the same league. Su did quite well at tournaments like this. Dismiss him all you want as not a "real" 5.0 but the stats say otherwise. And if he can win with that modest level of power [but great levels of accuracy and consistency], so can others.
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jdawgg
Semi-Pro
@jz000 I dug a little bit into your post history to get into the mind of someone so confident that he knows everyone's rankings based on videos and whether they would get smoked at the NTRP 5.0 level. In reference to a how to get to 4.5 from 4.0 post you said you're almost there (Sept 2021). So, it sounds like your a 4.0 whos doing ok at 4.5 and had a little taste of 5.0 play.
My earlier quote becomes even more relevant: "You have a warped perception based on not understanding the gradients of the higher levels due to no experience at those levels."
My perspective is different from yours because I've actually videoed a lot of NTRP 5.0 and 4.5 matches and played a lot of matches at those levels. Video does something weird where the ball looks like it's traveling a lot slower. You're still at the 4.0 level. Video yourself playing an NTRP 5.0 and post it here so we can see how your section is so much stronger and how real NTRP 5.0s play. Spoiler alert: you won't.
My earlier quote becomes even more relevant: "You have a warped perception based on not understanding the gradients of the higher levels due to no experience at those levels."
My perspective is different from yours because I've actually videoed a lot of NTRP 5.0 and 4.5 matches and played a lot of matches at those levels. Video does something weird where the ball looks like it's traveling a lot slower. You're still at the 4.0 level. Video yourself playing an NTRP 5.0 and post it here so we can see how your section is so much stronger and how real NTRP 5.0s play. Spoiler alert: you won't.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
I've never been to Sectionals let alone Nationals but the consensus from everyone who has posted is that Nationals for NTRP x consist mainly of x+0.5 players.
If @jdawgg went 3-1 at 4.5 Nationals, odds say he's well into 5.0 territory. What does it matter where you live unless somehow your region is a level higher than everywhere else.
You're the only one I've seen refer to that club. Given that 5.0 is in the 97th percentile, most of us realize how rare that is.
This is the old "You may be an NTRP x in your area but at best you're x-0.5 in my area because my area is so strong." argument.
Again: Nationals. Not "local area". Your analogy would be accurate if he bragged about coming first in regular season. Once you make it through Districts and Sectionals, you're the best of the best.
Yeah, if that's the person's only rationale, I'd be suspect. if he can back it up with actual knowledge and skills, that would change things.
Yeah; hard to follow your train of thought, especially since the tracks keep moving.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
I think he mentioned his coach was former ATP 700ish. I don't think he needs to look very far.
No man, you still don't get it.
It's not about any ratings. It's about your mindset and what you want to achieve. A 4.5 has this a 5.0, 5.5 has those.
What I saw missing in him was power.
And you attacked me first, so eye for an eye.
I never said how 'good' I was, did I? lol.
You've done this well, you've done that well... blah blah.
Was that part of this convo/thread?
Want a cookie?
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When was this anything about me? And what level I was?
When did I ask anyone for my own rating?
So Rod Laver can't critique anyone else, since he's not from this era anymore?
lol, you're full of ego and can only think in terms of .0 .5 and can only direct the convo to how good someone else is vs yourself.
There are many who are like you, and many who aren't.
USUALLY, the one's who don't brag are well liked and everyone wants to hit with them.
But that's ok, you're just a guy who's naturally trying to prove himself to the world.
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When did I say "power was everything"?
I said, he needed more power.
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For the record, the guy playing Brian HAS NO POWER.
I'd finish the shot and get at least 66% in on those high - no pace - BS balls. Everyone knows they're annoying, so most people are hesitant. JUST GO FOR IT. 2nd/3rd set ok, you'll miss more. Just get stronger, no?
Do you know how many people I've encountered who claim to be 5.0?
And they'd all get destroyed by Andrey and the other guy in this clip/thread.
When I play the '5.0's they're all like, woah 7-5 6-4, we're cutting it close, dude - 2 years ago.
Now one of them plays pickle ball, and the other plays mixed doubles mostly.
One claims he hasn't improved since 20 years playing. No wonder - just look at his strokes/serves.
5.0 wannabes - and you think you're for real?
And I will post my vid, if I can get permission from the 5.0
We both have 1hbh, but his is just as strong as my FH. I slice mine 66% of the time. And his slice is slightly better/more consistent. That alone makes him a 5.0
My game is similar to Brian's in the video you posted. But my FH is stronger. His doesn't need to be strong vs the guy in black, since he is shanking balls.
But he still sets up his shots opening up the court and slicing wide. That's what most 1hbh players do, like me.
So sorry, but he's not '5.0' when compared to my partner. He's similar to my level. 4.5 depending on the opponent. If you wanna rate like you love to do.
Maybe my 5.0 partner is a 5.5? nah. Andrey rates himself as 5.5 - so according to you, he's a 6.0? But he lacks a few things, he has videos showing what exactly.
You tell me, if I can post, who's better, my partner or this Brian guy. Both are '5.0', one claimed by you, while my partner claims it himself.
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No, that's not what you said.
What you ACTUALLY said was
And, of course, that's not true - lots of 5.0s would not destroy those shots at all.
If you'd just said he could use more power, that's true but boring. Almost everybody in the world, except the top 100 in the ATP, would probably be better if they got more power (without losing the same consistency and spin and placement.)
Making excuses, or playing down to the 'truth' behind everything doesn't build champions, agree?
Oh, it's ok, just work on consistency, spin and placement.
Swing for the fences. That's how you build power. Consistency, spin, placement will work itself out. You can't get the ball in without spin and all that swingin', everyone knows that.
JofrePorta https://www.indietenis.com/indie-tenis-blog/the-perfect-beginner-forehand-swing-for-the-fences
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
For the record, the guy playing Brian HAS NO POWER.
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And yet, they are both 5.0s. How does that square with your claim that those with no power would get destroyed at the 5.0 level?
Fine in theory; the key is translating that to match results. For me, it's problematic. Apparently for you it's not.
If you hang around a lot of people at public parks, you hear all sorts of claims. But you can easily tell after 30 seconds if they're telling the truth.
As for me, everyone who has claimed to be a 5.0 was legit, either when I watched them play or when I played them. And they all relied in varying degrees on power.
Maybe the guy in black was shanking because Brian was putting pressure on him. Maybe the guy in black knew from past experience that if he didn't go for it, Brian would likely win the point.
Haven't you ever had such an opponent? One that doesn't seem like he's doing that much but keeps putting you in uncomfortable situations?
An NTRP level spans a wide range of skills. A top 5.0 will double bagel a bottom 5.0. That does not mean the bottom 5.0 is not a legit 5.0.
You seem to believe that because your partner is better than Brian, that this means Brian is not a 5.0. It doesn't work that way.
Like I wrote previously: I couldn't find Brian in the NTRP or UTR databases so maybe he's not playing competitively anymore. Both of his opponents are still 5.0.
Do you know how many have claimed that they [or their friend] would crush Brian? Do you know how many have actually backed up their claim by either crushing Brian or winning Open tournaments?
You have a mental image of what a 5.0 is supposed to look like and anyone that doesn't fit that image must not be a 5.0, regardless of what their NTRP or match results say.
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And yet, they are both 5.0s. How does that square with your claim that those with no power would get destroyed at the 5.0 level?
Fine in theory; the key is translating that to match results. For me, it's problematic. Apparently for you it's not.
If you hang around a lot of people at public parks, you hear all sorts of claims. But you can easily tell after 30 seconds if they're telling the truth.
As for me, everyone who has claimed to be a 5.0 was legit, either when I watched them play or when I played them. And they all relied in varying degrees on power.
Maybe the guy in black was shanking because Brian was putting pressure on him. Maybe the guy in black knew from past experience that if he didn't go for it, Brian would likely win the point.
Haven't you ever had such an opponent? One that doesn't seem like he's doing that much but keeps putting you in uncomfortable situations?
An NTRP level spans a wide range of skills. A top 5.0 will double bagel a bottom 5.0. That does not mean the bottom 5.0 is not a legit 5.0.
You seem to believe that because your partner is better than Brian, that this means Brian is not a 5.0. It doesn't work that way.
Like I wrote previously: I couldn't find Brian in the NTRP or UTR databases so maybe he's not playing competitively anymore. Both of his opponents are still 5.0.
Do you know how many have claimed that they [or their friend] would crush Brian? Do you know how many have actually backed up their claim by either crushing Brian or winning Open tournaments?
You have a mental image of what a 5.0 is supposed to look like and anyone that doesn't fit that image must not be a 5.0, regardless of what their NTRP or match results say.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Exactly, and here is where that eye test always fails those incorrect expectations for guys like this, or those talking about X players not being X rating because they don't play real tennis. This is like the reincarnation of the MEP threads.
Proof is always in the pudding, and also the reality of play too. So those of us who post up video of our match play always seem to be less judgy and have a better understanding of the variety of play that makes a player earn a rating, where those who haven't or won't share their own play...well, you know. At least where ratings are concerned and people saying I would crush this or kill that, or it is easy to beat them with X.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
When you claimed "5.0s would destroy these balls", implying you have knowledge of what makes up a 5.0 skill set. If you're a 2.0 beginner, no one is going to take you seriously.
Laver can critique anyone he likes because he's OOTGOAT. And I think people would listen, regardless of what era he's from.
If I had a winning record at 4.5 Nationals, I'd probably mention it too. But besides that, the info bolsters his claims.
As for "trying to prove himself", I'd say his racquet already did the talking.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
There are subtle 5.0s amongst us and their game won't reveal a 5.0 level with 1 point or 1 shot.
Played a self rate 4.5 this weekend, but he had a pedigree as a recent D2 top singles player, recruited from south america to play here, clay court style game.
This was a doubles match. Overpowering serve, no, powerful groundstrokes, no. But, made a high % of his first serves with purposeful placement and kick, groundies had power in their kick, his returns were very well placed away from the net guy cross court usually landing within a nice 2x2 foot square he would aim at and hit over and over and over again. He might have missed 2-4 shots all match that he had time to get his full racket on including volleys, he didn't dump one shot in the net that was in front of him and "playable".
Some of his teammates not playing against me were the power guys, also probably 5.0 self rating as 4.5. They had the serves that you could hear from two courts over, the cracking forehand returns low and hard, they just missed more and won more off that power. Much easier to 5.0 them in your mind if watching 2-3 points.
I got to play some real 4.5 too that had the power game, you'd be surprised how they could hit a cracking power winner off a flatter 90-100 mph serve, but be totally befuddled by a voodoo slice sidespin lefty serve at around 60-70mph. That is another way to tell a 5.0, the south american I mentioned above, flat, hard, slice, dirty, junk, all the serves didn't bother him because he was an expert at all speeds and spins and didn't rely on blasting the ball to win points. Doesn't mean that style is best, just interesting to see the limitations of power. I know there are 5.0 that have both power and finesse, don't get mad at me!
Played a self rate 4.5 this weekend, but he had a pedigree as a recent D2 top singles player, recruited from south america to play here, clay court style game.
This was a doubles match. Overpowering serve, no, powerful groundstrokes, no. But, made a high % of his first serves with purposeful placement and kick, groundies had power in their kick, his returns were very well placed away from the net guy cross court usually landing within a nice 2x2 foot square he would aim at and hit over and over and over again. He might have missed 2-4 shots all match that he had time to get his full racket on including volleys, he didn't dump one shot in the net that was in front of him and "playable".
Some of his teammates not playing against me were the power guys, also probably 5.0 self rating as 4.5. They had the serves that you could hear from two courts over, the cracking forehand returns low and hard, they just missed more and won more off that power. Much easier to 5.0 them in your mind if watching 2-3 points.
I got to play some real 4.5 too that had the power game, you'd be surprised how they could hit a cracking power winner off a flatter 90-100 mph serve, but be totally befuddled by a voodoo slice sidespin lefty serve at around 60-70mph. That is another way to tell a 5.0, the south american I mentioned above, flat, hard, slice, dirty, junk, all the serves didn't bother him because he was an expert at all speeds and spins and didn't rely on blasting the ball to win points. Doesn't mean that style is best, just interesting to see the limitations of power. I know there are 5.0 that have both power and finesse, don't get mad at me!
jdawgg
Semi-Pro
lol
jz000 (in his initial post), bragging about being able to hang with 5.0s and blast balls with them for a set (and implying OP cannot):
"Sorry 5.0s would destroy these balls. Even I could blast it back during a match for at least a set."
me:
No, 5.0s would not destroy these balls. I know because of XYZ experience playing and filming matches at the NTRP 5.0 level. Here's some concrete examples of my experiences...
jz000:
All this guy does is brag!!! He's so full of ego!!!! You've done this.. you've done that... what does that have to do with anything!!1111
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
I once watched Jeff Tarango play doubles against 2 young guns from a D1 team: he had none of their power but boy, could he return on a dime and his shot selection and positioning were awesome. He held his own.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
Don't tell PK6; his head will explode.
tofast4u05
Rookie
It's a loaded question honestly. I don't know how I'd match up against that kind of player. Based on what I see in the video I'd honestly try to be very patient but I definitely feel I have improved my shots on both wings to drive it deep and come in on short balls. I'd probably stand near or inside baseline to return serve. A 60% deep ball is very different than a 60% short ball and I like to think I keep it fairly deep these days. Just my opinion but who knows. Here's a recent practice match I played to give you an idea how I serve/return/attack/defend.
NTRP 4.5 Practice Tennis Match - YouTube
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
One nit: I notice when you serve, your front left foot actually slides a bit to the right. Could that be affecting your balance a bit?
tofast4u05
Rookie
I don't notice it so probably not.
@jdawggSorry, 5.0s would destroy these balls. They give so much time to hit them back. Even I could blast it back during a match for at least a set.
Not saying one way is wrong or anything. Some people loop it high so it's harder to time during a match.
But that's why I'm not 5.0 Usually if you give the opponent time, then you've already lost the point at 5.0+ level.
Just imagine 2 ppl cutting each other's recovery times. What would it do to their legs during the point
Blasting balls at a 5.0 makes me brag? lol
How are you gonna blast it during a match, if you don't do it during practice?
And whoever said I was ever a 5.0?
NOW, who's saying YOU'RE a 5.0 who's going to nationals 3-0 victory (lol 3 matches make you a 5.0?)
Pathetic comparison on one's ego.
Have another cookie.
Solid 4.5 level play. Skipped around watching. We'd be pretty even. Your partner is good, but he's not as nimble as you. He has to go for it more, rallies will hurt him.
If I'm lucky, I can move down to play for the winter, and you'll see me eventually.
Pros:
You're more nimble than the opponent, but he moves pretty well for a big guy.
~2:00 was a good 'blast' off that mid court sitter. That's what I mean. A 5.0 will force YOU to hit those sitters with their heavy balls. And you should force him to do the same. Their 60% is your 100%, just imo.
Good consistency against 4.5s and below. Even if you hit it deep 60%, a 5.0 can hit it on the rise and force you on the defensive. Just my 'imo' again, and I've encountered players like that too.
I try it sometimes when I'm ahead in a match to save energy. No point rallying so long.
If you hit it 80-95% deep/spin/pace, not even 5.0s will attempt to attack imo. And eventually your 100% will become your 60%.
Cons:
Missed at least 1 smash/overhead. We all miss, but a 5.0 wouldn't so often.
Shoulda looped it cross court more, (both of you), if you're gonna rally like that. Now you can go 80-100% during cc rallies, and even move closer to the baseline. He can go dtl, but low %, since your shot is heavy.
Also I would've sliced it short when you're way behind the baseline like that.
He shoulda sliced it even more to your backhand and come in instead of driving it. Saves him some energy, and gives you pressure to hit a good backhand pass/lob, in which you missed a few.
On the 2nd point, 4th shot (including the serve):
Don't you think the 5.0 would've tried blasting that low sitter out wide to your forehand? Instead of your partner trying to go not 50% to your bh.
From the video posted earlier, and what I consider a 5.0 player, with a 5.5ish forehand. If his backhand was better, he'd be a formidable D1 player (if he wasn't already). Serve is also very good and bounces high.
tofast4u05
Rookie
If you really want to see me play against someone with a big hitting game and how I defend you should see some of the points here. Give you an idea how I can play against someone who can hit a big ball. My opponent has done well against 5.0 and open players.
USTA TENNIS - NTRP 4.5 - BEST OF 5 SETS MATCH HIGHLIGHTS - 12/15/2017 - YouTube
He beat you 1st 2 sets, which is a match, no?
Power over 60%
Yeah, he's a lot closer to 5.0, due to his FH, and decent serve. Did he throw in any slice serves, since you were way back there returning?
BH is a 4.0-4.5 imo. Both 1hbh and 2hbh, which does he wanna keep? Lost points due to BH, and failing to run around FH.
He's using a kfactor, and it's rare to see someone able to whip that heavy swingweight for spin. (Which he ISN'T), but still modest spin.
Maybe it's cold weather affecting his spin. And he's still wearing pants. (How the ... he's playing with pants on).
4 years ago, maybe he's better now. A solid 4.5 no less.
btw, I just watched a random point - The point at 9:10 where you couldn't finish and ended up buggy whipping.
Was that a 60% shot?
You could probably finish now, no?
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tofast4u05
Rookie
It was best of 5 sets.He beat you 1st 2 sets, which is a match, no?
Power over 60%
Yeah, he's a lot closer to 5.0, due to his FH, and decent serve. Did he throw in any slice serves, since you were way back there returning?
BH is a 4.0-4.5 imo. Both 1hbh and 2hbh, which does he wanna keep? Lost points due to BH, and failing to run around FH.
He's using a kfactor, and it's rare to see someone able to whip that heavy swingweight for spin. (Which he ISN'T), but still modest spin.
Maybe it's cold weather affecting his spin. And he's still wearing pants. (How the ... he's playing with pants on).
4 years ago, maybe he's better now. A solid 4.5 no less.
btw, I just watched a random point - The point at 9:10 where you couldn't finish and ended up buggy whipping.
Was that a 60% shot?
You could probably finish now, no?
And how many times 5 setters are played per year? Out of 100 matches?
You gonna play that 4x a week? Maybe if they find some stemcell healing miracle or something
tofast4u05
Rookie
I played quite a bit of 5 setters when I was more active in league and tournaments but not so much match play. I'm slowly starting to play sets. Most of the 5 setters I've ever played were won in 3 or 4 sets. Few into 5.And how many times 5 setters are played per year? Out of 100 matches?
You gonna play that 4x a week? Maybe if they find some stemcell healing miracle or something
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