55+ Nationals 8.0 Weekend

Cobra Kai

New User
The Men's/Women's 55+ 8.0 Nationals will be this weekend (21-23) at the Orlando USTA Campus!

Who will win it this year?

The best thing about 55+ is there are very few self-rated players and this should be a "real" good competition among the Sections to see which region is the best. I played at the 2021 Men's 4.0 18+ and 40+ last year and all the teams that won or in the top 4 had 10+ players that were either self-rated or 4.5 appeal downs. Teams that brought mostly computer rated players were always in the 2nd tier and couldn't compete against all the special players that were not computer rated. Many of the Captains wrote to the rules committee to suggest that they limit the number of self-rated/appeal down players to 3 that could advance to Sectionals/Nationals to make it a better for the competition but obviously they didn't listen to our suggestion. I still don't know how a small local area team could find 9 appeal down players in that were over 40+ to start a team...

Oh well, 55+ is the way to go and looking forward to good weather this weekend.
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Not so fast, I heard a captain out of Utah hired a Hollywood make up guru to get a bunch of 18 year old self rates into 55 and up leagues and that team will be unleashed this weekend!
Or they'll go around recruiting guys like McEnroe, Connors, Becker, etc. Get them to self rate down to 4.0 :D

Really pound some true 4.0 club players and make them cry... hard.
 

Cobra Kai

New User
Great weekend of playing and all the teams were in it. Only So. Cal dominated during the weekend where they went 19-1 in group play with the only court loss was clearing the bench on their 4th match to get everyone playing time who made the trip and the #1 seed for the most part wrapped up.

The semi-finals against of So. Cal versus Mid-Atlantic was a classic battle where the courts were tied 1-1 with the final court having both teams top pairs facing off against each other. So. Cal top pair was their highly rated 4.5 player (close to 5.0 Tennisrecord rating) and their self-rated 3.5 player CHIH HAO PAN with a 34-1 record and estimated 3.83 rating (Strong 4.0) on Tennisrecord going against the Mid-Atlantic Abbud brothers. Mid-Atlantic won the 1st set but one of the brothers injured his leg in the 2nd set and was limping around and couldn't move well. They lost the 2nd set and he needed a medical timeout before the start of the 3rd set. With both teams watching and the match being decided by this tie breaker, it was very intense with quality points on every shot. Mid-Atlantic was up 9-7 but their return on serve was dumped into the net leaving our team to try to serve it out at 9-8. This point went back and forth until they had to lob it deep from their court where we smashed it into the corner but their 3.5 guys was able to save it with another lob where we had a 2nd chance to finish them off but this time the smash went into the net to save match point for them. The game went to 10-10 until they finally won the next 2 points to put them in the finals. Classic match and heartbreaking to our team as we had a couple of great chances to finish them. So. Cal then went on to sweep Southern in the finals. We can only imagine what could have been...

Although they had 2 self-rated 3.5 players and one being probably a 4.0, their entire team were not out of our competition level so congrats to them for winning the title. All around fun event with great sportsmanship throughout the weekend and facility was fantastic! I recommend all the Nationals championships be held at this location. All the courts were equipped with Playsight so you can record your matches and the USTA Campus has live viewing of all the courts so folks from home could watch the action. Numerous courts available with both har-tru and hard courts so they need to make this venue the #1 pick for all or the majority of championships.

With the 55+ age group, not too many self-rated players stacking the teams and few sandbaggers that I could see watching the action.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
I recommend all the Nationals championships be held at this location. All the courts were equipped with Playsight so you can record your matches and the USTA Campus has live viewing of all the courts so folks from home could watch the action. Numerous courts available with both har-tru and hard courts so they need to make this venue the #1 pick for all or the majority of championships.

Thanks for the write-up! I'm glad Nationals in Orlando worked out well for you guys.

That said, historically, the experience of USTA League Nationals at the Lake Nona campus has been hit and miss in October and November, mostly due to the unpredictability of the weather. That timeframe sits at the end of the hurricane and tropical storm season for Florida and mid-October is considered the "second peak" for that type of weather each year:

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When my 40 and over 4.5+ team went to Nationals in Orlando, we had heavy rain off and on throughout the Friday and Saturday. Our first match was at 8:00 AM on Friday and we got it finished using regular scoring. Shortly afterward, we started getting blasted with downpours and heavy winds every 2 hours or so. Just as the courts would dry out, there would be another downpour, so matches kept getting stopped and started over and over. This backed up the schedule and forced the tournament to go to Fast Four no-ad scoring. On both Friday and Saturday, teams had to play late into the night, with many finishing past 11:00 PM. On top of all this, several of us had pleaded with the USTA to either let us play on the indoor courts or the Har-Tru, which becomes playable faster than hard courts. In both cases, the ideas were denied. The USTA had junior lessons and pro players practicing on the indoor courts and a local junior tournament on the clay, so they decided that was more important. This despite hundreds of players spending thousands of dollars to travel to Orlando for a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and knowing that the storms were coming, the USTA was negligent in planning to book out the indoor courts or clay as a contingency. (To me, this really showed the low priority that the USTA puts on dues paying adult members and USTA League - it ranks way, way lower than junior tennis and out of season practicing pros.)

As for the Playsight, the networks were down at the USTA campus the entire weekend we were there. In other words, not only was WiFi not working, but the Playsight systems were unusable as well. So much for friends and family watching back home.

In the end, our group was super tight and had an unbelievable time. The entire team rented a mansion close by that had something like 9 or 10 bedrooms, an indoor pool, a huge kitchen, and a massive TV. Therefore, when we weren't at the tennis center trying to get our matches in, we were all hanging out at the house like it was a big party, eating our meals together, playing pool, swimming, and watching college football and NBA games on TV. The Thursday before the tournament started, several people went on an alcohol run. The kitchen had a large island in the middle, and when they put the liquor bottles on the island, the entire thing was covered. I think that's the most booze I've ever seen outside of a distillery! I thought there was no way this is all getting ingested in 5 days. But my team was no quitters... every drop was consumed. :-D

Anyway, we got super lucky in the tournament. The Fast Four format enabled us to knock off several teams in tiebreakers and we unexpectedly finished 4-0 in the round robin, which put us into the semis. In the semifinals on Sunday, it was sunny, but super hot and muggy. Probably about 95 degrees and 90% humidity. We played a team that was better than us on paper, but our 5.0 guy beat their reigning National Grass Court Champion 5.0 in an epic match, we got lucky to win third doubles when a player of theirs pulled a muscle or cramped up, and then we won the second singles match 10-6 in a super-breaker when our guy put everything he had left into being aggressive in those final points to steal the win. In the final, we played a super stacked Southern team with no weaknesses. Our 5.0 singles player and our normal 4.5 singles player could not play the final as both were exhausted and in full body cramps after the semifinal. We shuffled the lineup around and put our two remaining 5.0s together in doubles. We lost #1 singles and #3 doubles in blowouts. However, in second doubles, our team played amazing and actually had two match points, but lost 11-13 in the third set breaker. That clinched it for Southern and they walked away from the remaining matches, so the final score was 2-3. In those two matches that were abandoned, we were actually winning 2nd singles, but were down a set in #1 doubles. I'm not sure what would have happened if we had all our top players available or if we had won that second doubles line... but Southern deserved the win and we were more than thrilled to have made it to the finals.

On the flight home, I ran into several other participants from other Nationals teams. Most were very unhappy with how the weekend had gone. They felt cheated by the Fast Four format and the fact the USTA didn't provide alternative ways to finish the matches (using the indoor courts or clay). I also heard from several people that the USTA player party on Saturday night was a total disaster. Because matches were still going on, many teams couldn't attend. And those people that did go reported a dead scene with cold hotdogs and water for dinner. Our team was back at the house by 6:00 PM and hanging out together, prepping for the semifinals, so we didn't go to the party.

Bottom line, we had an amazing experience despite the issues in Orlando. However, this might have been influenced by the fact that we had a good group, a great place to stay, and we made the final. Other people on other teams were definitely not happy, so Orlando was a mixed bag depending on who you talked to. Therefore, I'm not sure that "all" USTA League National events should be held there, especially if they aren't willing to use the indoor courts or the clay as a contingency. Also, I think it might be more equitable to have a mix of locations in the west, middle, and eastern parts of the country to even out the travel time and cost. Western teams shouldn't have to go all the way to Florida each year, just like Eastern teams shouldn't have to go all the way to Arizona or California each year.
 

Cobra Kai

New User
Thanks Jack for your input for the USTA Campus! Yes- hurricane weather is always a factor down in Florida that time of year and can certainly affect matches. USTA needs to provide indoor courts for matches that are rained out. I think even if they provide indoor courts late into the evening/night that would be better than trying to rush everyone through on the outdoor courts. We are all there to play and win the title so a 10 pm match indoors is still better than trying to rush multiple matches in a single day.
I wouldn’t even care if we needed to play a midnight match to play but USTA won’t even consider us a priority so that is probably not going to ever be an option.
Yes requiring teams to fly across country is not ideal if you play every year at Nationals but it seems that most Nationals not for the old folks are held in Arizona every year so that is always a bummer to travel to Surprise.
Tri Level Nationals always seem to be in California so I guess we will need to always go out West for this which most folks like a little vacation that way.
How do we get USTA to address the rain days since this is an issue for certain weekends for Nationals. The fast 4 no ad is not a good idea and rushing everyone through without a true championship match is not what anyone wants.
 

2ndServe

Hall of Fame
Or they'll go around recruiting guys like McEnroe, Connors, Becker, etc. Get them to self rate down to 4.0 :D

Really pound some true 4.0 club players and make them cry... hard.

Don't forget the clinics he'll schedule for Mac, Conners and Becker, ( no mac, jimmy and boris aren't holding the clinics they'll be the students) and the 2x weekly practice and the physio who'll make them peak for 4.0 nationals.

It's not that they're out of spec players but he's the Doug Bolletrieri of the of Rocky Mountains having them play doubles then the week of Sectionals and Nationals with great coaching and pep talk he transformed them to singles players
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
I just want to mention that 6 of the guys that were on my 40 and Over 4.5+ team that went to Orlando for the Nationals a few years ago that I mentioned previously also went to the 55 and Over 9.0 Nationals this weekend in Orlando. And guess what?

It rained again.

And they went to Fast Four format again for 3 out of 4 of the team matches.

So both times these guys flew across the country, they got rain in Florida, no indoor courts, and abbreviated short set, no-ad matches. And while the previous team got lucky and backed into a 2nd place finish, this time the guys finished 2-2 as a team. They also didn't rent a party house for the whole team this year, so I am wondering how they feel about the overall experience and value, minus the on-court success and off-court atmosphere from last time.
 
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Cobra Kai

New User
Thanks for the update and yes - USTA does not have an adequate plan to address the rain issue that will happen each year at one of the locations that is selected. USTA needs to provide indoor courts for matches that are rained out during the day so that matches are not rushed and a true National Champion is decided on the court. A location is needed where indoor courts are available to be utilized so that when the rain does come for certain weekends, everyone who has spent a lot of money, time, and effort to win a National Championship are given that opportunity without making up rules on the fly by rushing a shorten set, no-ad, no semi-finals/finals winner. I guess it will take everyone complaining (still won't change anything) or boycotting a year (won't happen) to try to make this happen. The Mid-Atlantic region is building a new facility that has numerous outdoor and indoor courts with an anticipated grand opening in 2025. Plans for the USTA MAS tennis campus include 20 outdoor tennis courts, 16 indoor tennis courts, 8 pickleball/youth courts and more than 190,000 total square feet of tennis infrastructure ample for daily tennis programs and match play. This facility would be able to handle situations of rain and therefore should be a model for future National Championships. Will that happen - probably not...
 

Cobra Kai

New User
I guess it would depend on the age group and whether it was mixed or gender. The 18+ men's and women's would require 5 courts per match (2 singles/3 doubles) while the 40+ would require 4 courts (1 single/3 doubles). The 55+ and mixed leagues would only require 3 courts. 17 sections (8 matches) of 3 courts would need 24 courts (versus 18+ needing 40 courts and 40+ would need 32) courts) to get round 1 in and most of these matches would need about 1 1/2 hours per match. Having 16 indoor courts (per the USTA Mid-Atlantic facility) could easily handle the 55+ and mixed Nationals if it rained all weekend. With lighting - they could even start earlier in the morning and run later into the night if needed. It just makes sense for all the players for both men and women traveling from all across the country even as far as Hawaii to make this happen. If they have nearby hotels that would also sponsor the extra cost of having indoor courts in order to obtain the business or sponsorship of the tournament, this would be ideal for everyone involved. I just don't understand why the players need to suffer if there are alternatives.
 
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