Adam Copeland
Hall of Fame
Weeks at 1 for Murrays is half of Hewitt's
Tour finals won by Murray is half of Hewitt's
Is that how an ATG is supposed to be? Lets declare Hewitt to be an ATG as well, it is only fair.
Weeks at 1 for Murrays is half of Hewitt's
Tour finals won by Murray is half of Hewitt's
Is that how an ATG is supposed to be? Lets declare Hewitt to be an ATG as well, it is only fair.
abmk
Bionic Poster
LOL, your posts are hilarious in a way,
The hilarious boosting up of Djokovic fuelled by ignorance+huge bias while you talk like you know much about Sampras.
" Roddick and Hewitt made Federer's serve look GOATy but it wasn't."
LOL, in which land did Hewitt make federer's serve look GOATy? Hewitt returned fed's serve fairly well.
Fed served better from 07 onwards (compared to 03-06 in general) which was past Hewitt's prime anyways.
Of course federer serve troubled Djokovic.
in their last 3 matches when fed was uninjured:
Paris 2018: djokovic did not break fed even once in 3 sets
Wim 19: djokovic did not break fed for 3.5 sets. broke him 3 times total over 5 sets
YEC 19: federer cleaned Djokovic's clock.
in 11-12: fed went 2-3 vs djoko in slams (a point away from 3-2) with 40%+ unret. serves in both RG 11 and Wim 12.
in 14-15: fed went 6-4 vs djoko in Bo3. Only djoko ultra-lucky with fed not being able to keep it up in Bo5 for long time at that age. you think he went 6-4 in Bo3 in 14-15 without serve troubling DJoko? LOL. fed's serve troubled djoko in Wim 14 final even though Djoko returned well. to a lesser extent in Wim 15 final.
and I haven't even got into Cincy where fed cleaned djoko's clock thrice (09,12,15) and the wins in USO 07,08,09 where fed's serve did trouble Djoko
Sampras' serve was of course better than Federer's, but mainly because of higher pace(&maybe willingness to take more risk on 2nd serve). fed's disguise/placement/variety/clutch was just as good.
7 mph diff in 1st serve speeds, 13 mph in 2nd serve speeds. This is at a stage of Sampras' career when he was going for more on the serve.
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abmk
Bionic Poster
prime to prime, Nadal > Djokovic mentally, even if 2011 was highest for a year mentally. 12-14 drags Novak down, especially 13-14.
Adam Copeland
Hall of Fame
Novak is IRON.
Nobody on earth is tougher than him, his performance in 5 setters speaks for itself.
He said it is in 2006 that he would beat Nadal at the French Open, he was mocked and ridiculed by Nadal, the press, commentators, everyone, but eventually he prevailed, beat Nadal twice !
Breaking through the Fedal stronghold required GOAT level Mental toughness and Novak had it, on the other hand Nadal who was established All time great in 2011 surrendered his dominance to Novak, till 2010 Nadal was touted to succeed Federer, the year 2011 had a King.
Novak is IRON.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Djokovic being great mentally doesn't change that Nadal > Djokovic prime to prime mentally.
Djokovic in 12 couldn't deal with the close 3rd set vs fed in Wim 12.
blew it vs Nadal in USO 13 final
blew it vs Nishi in USO 14 semi
missed those last 2 shots vs Stan in AO 14 QF
missed an easy overhead in Oly 08 semi vs Nadal on MP (mind you, Djoko was slight favorite in this match)
obviously let nerves get the better of him vs Stan in RG 15 final and played passively
Stan outclutched him in USO 16 final again
etc.
now find me Nadal blowing so many matches from say 06-13.
remember Nadal saved 2 MPs vs a rampaging fed at Rome 06, saved multiple MPs vs djoko himself in Madrid 09.
Re: the FO, LOL. it only took Djoko 9 years and an utterly sh*te Nadal to do it in RG 15 (ended up losing the final to Wawrinka, heh)
Soderling's win over Nadal in RG 09 >> either of Djoko's wins at RG vs Nadal.
Again, Nadal did go 6-1 vs Djoko from clay season 2012 to USO 13, FTR (wins in MC 12, Rome 12, RG 12, RG 13, Montreal 13, USO 13 and only loss in MC 13). So don't forget that part after talking about 11-early 12.
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Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
you're underrating him. he's probably top 5, maybe even top 4 above Sampras
Adam Copeland
Hall of Fame
So much of stress on 2012-2014 period as if you have found a goldmine to undermine Novak's mental toughness
Bro, Novak is the toughest of the 3 and Federer is the weakest, we all know it. Nadal is somewhere in between them both, I agree that he was insanely tough till 2010, but from 2011 onwards his mental toughness is a joke....
abmk
Bionic Poster
So much of stress on 2012-2014 period as if you have found a goldmine to undermine Novak's mental toughness
Bro, Novak is the toughest of the 3 and Federer is the weakest, we all know it. Nadal is somewhere in between them both, I agree that he was insanely tough till 2010, but from 2011 onwards his mental toughness is a joke....
LOL, just stating the reality that you are trying to whitewash in your djoko fanboyism. 12-14 is like half of Djoko's prime years (11-16), LOL. 12 was actually good from djoko clutch wise, obviously not as good as you are making him out to be.
I also mentioned 15-16 vs Stan (RG 15, USO 16) and heck even YEC 16 tame loss to Murray with Murray having come off a 3.5 hr semi vs Raonic should be mentioned.
Also showed nerves big time vs Murray in RG 16 final in the 1st set. Had Murray not collapsed after that, Djoko would have been in some trouble. And if Murray hadn't taken out Stan in the semi and Djoko starts out that way vs Stan, its curtains.
Nadal > Djokovic mentally prime to prime. (&I'd say for career as well considering Djoko's 07-10)
From 2011 onwards, nadal's mental toughness is a joke? LOL, what utter rubbish.
RG 2011 final - Nadal came back from big deficit in 1st set, edged out 2nd set as well, took out fed's final shot with clutch play when down triple BP down early in the 4th set.
AO 12 QF and SF - was very clutch vs both Berdych and Fed
AO 12 F - saved 3 BPs towards end of 4th set vs Djoko that helped him take it to a 5th set. yeah, that one missed BH, but it wasn't a mental collapse, just one missed shot.
Rome 13 vs Gulbis - gulbis hit like 4 times the winners that Nadal did and yet Nadal prevailed
RG 13 SF - raised his level in the 5th set when he needed it
Montreal 13 vs djoko - edged out djoko in the 3rd set
USO 13 vs djoko - edged out djoko in the 3rd with excellent clutch play
AO 14 - was clutch vs Nishi, Dimi and fed. ok, 1st set missed couple of chances vs Stan, but Stan outplayed him even before injury.
Only Wim 11 final was a real mental loss for Nadal. Yeah, Djoko edged him out in 2011 Miami final, but that was more Djoko than Nadal being deficient mentally.
USO 11 he was outplayed by Djoko
it was really only from 15 onwards that nadal's mental lapses started showing, not at his prime.
lets just say that mentally, Nadal from clay season 2005-end of 2013 atleast (except maybe 11) > djoko mentally in any year except for 2011.
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I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Martin J
Hall of Fame
He thought he won.see how happy Djokovic is
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Deleted member 748597
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see how happy Djokovic is
AO13
Hall of Fame
On contrary my friend, I think Pete is that good.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and I will end this dialogue with that statement. I find that further continuing this conversation is unnecessary and futile.
Yeah whatever you say, Alexander the Bald.
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FlamingCheeto
Hall of Fame
Cup8489
G.O.A.T.
Give me a moscato any day. I'll use red to make a sauce for steak and that's about it.Yall and this bitter, overpowering wine
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
OK, I admit
I am OTP.
I am OTP.
MichaelNadal
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Mainad
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Deleted member 748597
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Why are you being mean to me.
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Deleted member 748597
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Good luck with that.
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Because you're being mean to my favourite player.
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