American male tennis.Any reason for hope?

bigjimbofan

Rookie
After another miserable Grand Slam showing is there any hope for American male tennis?
Roddick and Blake have seen their best days.Querry and Isner?I just don't see it.Donald Young?Is this the best we have to offer? Is there any American youngster out there that looks promising?
At lease the days of Connors and McEnroe spurned interest in the game and gave us Agassi,Sampras,Courier and Chang.Now there is very little interest.It's a shame.
 

heftylefty

Hall of Fame
Its a cycle...the world has caught up to America in regards to producing great athletes.

America needs to change its approach training tennis players. I would adopt the French approach. Although there are no current men GS winners, the French players tend to have more shots to chose from and all seem to have great touch. Also they can change tact.

Americans players play just one way flat out; all or nothing. Also, I would start recuritting second string basketball players, football linebackers, db's, qb's and safetys, soccer players and baseball shortstops. USTA are still not getting the best athletes.
 

ElSuegro

Rookie
Americans players play just one way flat out; all or nothing. Also, I would start recuritting second string basketball players, football linebackers, db's, qb's and safetys, soccer players and baseball shortstops. USTA are still not getting the best athletes.

And football linebackers are the best athletes capable of playing championship tennis???
 

maverick66

Hall of Fame
USTA are still not getting the best athletes.

usta will never train our top players. they will take credit for it but they will have little to do with them. about only thing they will give is wildcards which help but that doesnt mean that they trained a player to be a champion. if any young promising juniors parents have a brain they will stay the hell away from the usta coaching staff. ive met a feww of them and they are bad. basically they are butt kissers who get payed to baby sit.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Yes there is hope...

The more the Americans lose, the more there will be coverage of good players like Federer.
 

simi

Hall of Fame
Didn't realize that it is a "us against the world" situation. I enjoy tennis excellence, wherever it comes from, be it Switzerland, Spain, or Serbia.
 

bigjimbofan

Rookie
Didn't realize that it is a "us against the world" situation. I enjoy tennis excellence, wherever it comes from, be it Switzerland, Spain, or Serbia.

I hate Swiss,Serbs and Spaniards.
Just kidding.Yeah I enjoy tennis excellence but what is wrong with rooting for your countrymen?Like Americans are the only people who root for their own?Give me a break.
 

heftylefty

Hall of Fame
And football linebackers are the best athletes capable of playing championship tennis???

football linbacker have great speed, quickness and strength . It has been said that if Boris Becker was an American, he could been a good linebacker based on his size and toughness.

I think Tight Ends would make good tennis player too.
 

pmerk34

Legend
Its a cycle...the world has caught up to America in regards to producing great athletes.

America needs to change its approach training tennis players. I would adopt the French approach. Although there are no current men GS winners, the French players tend to have more shots to chose from and all seem to have great touch. Also they can change tact.

Americans players play just one way flat out; all or nothing. Also, I would start recuritting second string basketball players, football linebackers, db's, qb's and safetys, soccer players and baseball shortstops. USTA are still not getting the best athletes.

This is not new and neither are the proposed solutions and ideas. I remember the back page of NY Newsday the day of the 1986 US Open Final: CZECHOSLOVAKIAN-OPEN. The lack of US players was discussed as Mac was on leave from tennis, Connors was hurt or something and was older and the best we had were players like Brad Gilbert and Tim Mayotte. Our prospects didn't seem bright but Chang, Courier, Agassi and Sampras all turned out to be champions in one way or another so have some patience America will rise again.
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
I could care less what country they came from. If I like their personality and style than I'm a fan. I'm not biased on what part of the world they were born. As of now, I prefer players from the other countries over the players that play here.
 

coloskier

Legend
usta will never train our top players. they will take credit for it but they will have little to do with them. about only thing they will give is wildcards which help but that doesnt mean that they trained a player to be a champion. if any young promising juniors parents have a brain they will stay the hell away from the usta coaching staff. ive met a feww of them and they are bad. basically they are butt kissers who get payed to baby sit.

I can agree with that. The USTA is more interested in how much money they are going to get paid or who can we bring up for free from the inner city to make us look good than actually promoting the top players. Back in the 70's when I was playing national juniors tournaments there was always free rackets, free strings, and travel money if you were in the top 50. Nowadays you get rackets and strings, but everything else comes out of your parents pockets. So now either you are an inner city kid getting money from the USTA because of where you live, or you are the child of an above average income parent. Showing strong ability will get you nowhere if you don't have money. There is no other way to get top level training. Hopefully Chris Evert will get that changed now that she is in charge of Juniors Development for the USTA.
 

jetlee2k

Banned
I would say USTA needs to dump P. Mcenroe.. or even Mcenroe, Zina Garison.. and etc.. Hire some real coach.. mental toughness coach.. may be hired Uncle Tony or something.. or may be Brad Gilbert.. get some toughness in their games.. The current crop of players have talent but have no mental toughness.. They just choked or tanked the match too too easily..
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Was reading that there is an initiative under the umbrella of Prince through which US juniors play with others from all over the world in Spain and other places. They get to play on red clay. Bollitierri's has joined this program.

It is clear now that US juniors need to practise more on clay to develop their point construction and endurance. The Evert academy also hosts a clay center for the most talented juniors. They also need to see for themselves what the European kids are up to.
 

malakas

Banned
This is not new and neither are the proposed solutions and ideas. I remember the back page of NY Newsday the day of the 1986 US Open Final: CZECHOSLOVAKIAN-OPEN. The lack of US players was discussed as Mac was on leave from tennis, Connors was hurt or something and was older and the best we had were players like Brad Gilbert and Tim Mayotte. Our prospects didn't seem bright but Chang, Courier, Agassi and Sampras all turned out to be champions in one way or another so have some patience America will rise again.

this is the longest time,USA hasn't won any GS in men.
 

Salsa_Lover

Rookie
Maybe if Americans modify tennis in the way they did with rugby and cricket for example, turning them into american football and baseball.

Like that there would be a lot less of nations playing that new sport and then americans can excel on it.






PS. calm down, it was a joke :)
 

A.Davidson

Semi-Pro
Not unless we wake up and start teaching our players to play on the surface that everyone else plays on (red clay).

Some people think that Ryan Harrison will be great if he pans out.
 

malakas

Banned
Actually Harrison defeated tonight biggest spanish tennis prodigy Boluda,so it looks very well for him.:)
 

superman1

Legend
Nah, there's no hope. Roddick and Blake have been a huge letdown from Sampras and Agassi, but I'm positive that when Roddick and Blake are gone, the newer American players will be a huge letdown from Roddick and Blake. They'll just be a bunch of journeymen and a few players who hover around the top 20's and 30's.

Americans just don't play tennis. We COULD dominate this sport if all our best athletes were into tennis, but they're not.
 

pmerk34

Legend
Nah, there's no hope. Roddick and Blake have been a huge letdown from Sampras and Agassi, but I'm positive that when Roddick and Blake are gone, the newer American players will be a huge letdown from Roddick and Blake. They'll just be a bunch of journeymen and a few players who hover around the top 20's and 30's.

Americans just don't play tennis. We COULD dominate this sport if all our best athletes were into tennis, but they're not.

Our best athletes are black and they have never gone into tennis.
 

Noveson

Hall of Fame
football linbacker have great speed, quickness and strength . It has been said that if Boris Becker was an American, he could been a good linebacker based on his size and toughness.

I think Tight Ends would make good tennis player too.

You're right about those things, but I'm sorry an NFL linebacker would have noo chance in the ATP. They make Nadal look like a toothpick. Have you ever seen one in person? Absolutely huuuuge. There is a reason there are no beefy players in tennis. Tight ends would have a better chance, still no real chance though, DBs and Wideouts would be good.

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FalconX

Rookie
If we started recruiting linebackers, they'd be suspended for substance abuse as soon as they enter the tour. Folks who think these guys are naturally built like that are deluded.

I think in this increasingly global economy we should produce our best players abroad. European soccer teams have been doing the same thing for over a decade now. We should build tennis academies in Namibia for instance and bring the most the talented player to the US and purchase US citizenship for him.
 

Nextman916

Professional
Its not that our technique is broken but that the players we train here down choose not to represent us. Alah Saddlebrook/Bolliteri
 

cmb

Semi-Pro
there is not really a minor league system here in the states as opposed to many european countries. So basically if you dont make it by the time you are 16-17, 18, you go to college because its too expensive. And since there is no minor league system, the juniors dont get the best competition, in france Gasquet was playing the french national tournaments when he was 13, 14, 15 and getting top notch competition against great players.

In the states they just dont get it, and therefore they dont develop the mental toughenss during matchplay that they need.
all IMO
 

Grimjack

Banned
If we started recruiting linebackers, they'd be suspended for substance abuse as soon as they enter the tour. Folks who think these guys are naturally built like that are deluded.

The point isn't to recruit linebackers -- by the time they're old enough to be linebackers, they'd be worthless as pro prospects. The point is to recruit guys who WOULD become linebackers, because they're among the world's elite athletes. Then, train them in tennis from the time they're young -- well before they bulk up.
 
It's been pointed out countless times that the U.S. has problems recruiting talent for soccer and tennis or any other fringe (in the U.S.) sport because all naturally gifted athletes (size/strength/speed) will gravitate towards football, basketball, and baseball. These 3 sports are team sports that have guaranteed money in that you get paid whether you win or lose (Don't get sidetracked by non-guaranteed NFL salaries). You get my point. The seasons are shorter as well. If you don't have the typical physique for those sports, and want to be a pro athlete, golf is next option. Think Phil Mickelson/golf. He has gynecomastia for pete's sake!

Think about it. The ATP life is tough (for probably everyone outside the top 10-20). Maybe a former pro on this forum could help me/us out, but aren't the athletes responsible for their own travel expenses, food, coaches, equipment, etc. The season is getting longer and more demanding and to make more money, marginal players are nearly killing themselves by overbooking their schedules. In the US, there are so many other options for making a good salary (non-sports) that professional tennis just isn't that appealing as a career.

I, for one, wish I could play European football professionally, but that's another story.
 

rk_sports

Hall of Fame
I would say USTA needs to dump P. Mcenroe.. or even Mcenroe, Zina Garison.. and etc.. Hire some real coach.. mental toughness coach.. may be hired Uncle Tony or something.. or may be Brad Gilbert.. get some toughness in their games.. The current crop of players have talent but have no mental toughness.. They just choked or tanked the match too too easily..

I may've to agree IMHO... but afraid the first part is IMPOSSIBLE!
 
Tennis success in other countries, including Spain, Argentina, Serbia, Croatia, Russia, Germany, Chile, France, etc. seems to start with a few factors:

1. Soccer (futbol) is the most popular sport in many of the countries. Not basketball, baseball, football, NASCAR, track & field, etc.

2. The remaining athletic talent that doesn't exclusively choose soccer as their primary sport, chooses tennis as an alternative much more frequently than an American would choose tennis as a first alternative to American football, for example.

3. Every country I mentioned above starts tennis training on red clay. Red clay requires better point management/shot selection; better fitness; less reliance on first serve; less reliance on winning forehand; better drop shots; more control of spins; higher strike zone; hitting while sliding; hitting off the outside foot on the forehand; use of the inside-out forehand.

4. From clay, the transition to slow to fast-paced hard courts is easier. Case in-point: Corretja, Moya, Kuerten, Rios, Kafelnikov, Safin, NADAL, & FEDERER all winning Master's Series hard court tournaments and/or reaching hard court grand slam finals.

5. Compare this to Henman, Hewitt, Philipoussis, Sampras, Roddick, Blake, Rafter, etc. All super athletes who grew up training on hard courts and/or grass courts and their success on clay has been infrequent at best (Sampras: 1 masters series clay tournament win & 1 french SF; Rafter: 1 french SF, Henman:1 french SF).

SOLUTION:

-find some better athletes, just look around a typical country club in the US or United Kingdom and you will rarely find an amazing athlete on a tennis court (compared to a high school or college-aged track, basketball, or football athlete)

-send them to europe as part of a deal with the USTA or another organization that will support the athletes

Any other ideas??? I'd love to hear them.


I for one am not too discourage because I just like to see good tennis regardless what boundaries/nations in which the player is born.
 
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