Another DNX 8 Review (from a "player" frame perspective)

vin

Professional
The DNX 8 is just plain FUN! My favorite shots - heavy serves and groundies - are coming easy.

First, a little tangent about my style and why I'm interested in this type of frame (skip if uninterested) ...

I have whippy and compact strokes and hit a lot of spin. That goes for my serve as well. In other words, I'm moving the racket head around quite a bit, and doing it fast within a shorter distance. I now know that high swingweight and high static weight can be killers for this style of swing. The DNX 8 falls right into the sweetspot of what I can comfortably (easily) execute my swing style with for an entire match.

The Tour 10 Gen 2 was about as good as it got for me with a heavier frame. The big sweetspot on the 98" head allowed me to reliably hit the sweetspot despite all the spin I hit and the low swingweight gave me the maneuverability my aggressive swing style needs. The low flex provided comfort and allowed me to swing away without much worry of spraying. In the end, I think moving the 12 oz around for an entire match wore my shoulder down to the point of slowing my reaction time, causing me to hit late, and then tighten up to compensate. After adding a few grams of lead to raise the sweetspot (which I need because I hit high in the stringbed), it got worse.

I've tried more powerful rackets in the past, but would spray the ball. Duh Vin, they were too heavy! With a racket like the DNX 8, I have the control I need of my swing to have control of the extra power as well.

On to the racket (about time, eh?).

Serves - In one word, easy! The racket has good power, and because it is easy to swing, it's also easy to apply spin. Without a huge effort, I can hit powerful first serves with enough spin to keep it in and jump at the returner. With the spin, the extra power doesn't impose any control issues. The best part, in my opinion, is that I didn't have to make a big effort to hit my best serves. That helps my consistency and my confidence.

Even with the easy spin, the extra power made me a little nervous on second serves, but it hasn't been a problem yet. I think I just need to get used to the extra power. Overall, this is a great serving stick for me.

I don't hit "flat" serves very often and can't really say if control suffers there.

Groundies - Again, easy! My swing can be summarized by "bring the racket back, drop it into the slot, explode" and I think this racket fits the bill perfectly. I feel like I can go on autopilot with it. Just like serves, spin is easy to generate and I don't need the big effort to generate heavy balls. The spin, however, is necessary. It may be fine for a high short ball, but I certainly didn't get away with flattening shots out a bit during a rally like I would with a lower powered frame. The few times I tried it out of habit, I hit long.

It's really easy for me to keep the ball deep with this racket, which is sometimes a challenge with the lower powered frames. The tradeoff is that angles are a little tougher to hit. If the trajectory is a little off (too high), it'll go wide. This is something I've always been able to get away with using low powered frames. I think the tradeoff is a good one though, I'll just have to work on my angles a little more and be more selective about when I hit them. (I probably go for them too often anyway).

Where this frame shines off the ground is being a very maneuverable frame that you can hit heavy with. I like it!

Probably the only place I noticed this racket hurting my game was defense. I'm fast and defense is one of my strengths, so this was a bit disappointing. The problem is that I was sailing too many high defensive balls long. I should be able to correct that by adding more spin, but block shots may be more of an adjustment. Usually, it seems that the more powerful rackets help people with defense, so I guess I'm opposite in this regard.

Volleys - Even though I strive towards having an all court game, I'm not the greatest volleyer. With the DNX 8, my volleys have a little more punch and it's easier to get the racket on the ball, but I guess that's to be expected of a powerful and maneuverable frame. I enjoyed hitting volleys with it, and hit them better than I normally do, but I'm not sure I'm qualified to say it's a good volley stick.

Misc Shots - One shot that gives me fits are short low balls to my forehand. I usually try to chip them deep and it seems to never work out. I guess the extra pop from this stick helps me keep them deep and I've had noticably more success with them.

One thing I've always enjoyed about more powerful frames is how easy it is to hit a nice backhand slice approach shot, and that's no different here. I was hitting some nice slice backhands from the baseline as well. I suspect there will be some trouble with floating them long, but it hasn't been an issue yet. Although I'm competent in hitting it, I wouldn't call my slice backhand a staple of my game, so again, I don't know how valuable my input is here.

Comfort - I don't have arm problems and I want to keep it that way! I also appreciate a comfortable hit. With a frame like the 300G, which has reasonable flex, I can feel sharp vibrations at times and I don't like that at all. I've even hit with flexy frames like the Fischer Pro Number One FT that gave harsh feedback at times. I don't really like mushy either where it seems like you can actually feel the frame bending (like some of the Head LM's). This is definitely a comfortable frame and it's definitely crisp. No harshness, no mushyness. I'm a fan! For anyone who has hit with the DNX V1 MP, I think the comfort level and feel is pretty similar.

String - I'm a string breaker and typically play with Wilson Synthetic Gut Extreme 16 or Head Synthetic Gut 16. They are both cheap, comfortable, and seem to be more durable than some of the other synthetic guts. I actually forget what I strung the DNX 8 up with, but it's one of these two. I strung it at 55, and as you can guess from my comments above, I have no complaints.

I've recently taken a liking to ALU Power and at some point may get brave enough to try it in the mains somewhere near 50 lbs. With my Gen 2, I was getting noticably more spin with the ALU. If I can accomplish that with the DNX 8, I think I'll be dangerous. :) I'm just a bit worried about playing with a poly in a stiff frame, but Volkl's handle seems to absorb shock pretty well and ALU Power is soft for a poly so we'll see if it can work. I'll report back if and when I try it.

Final Thoughts - With the right amount of effort, I think I can hit bigger serves and bigger groundies with the Gen 2, but I don't think it's realistic nor reliable to be putting that much effort into shots on a regular basis. Besides, there is the "too heavy" issue. I still have some other rackets I'm going to try, but the DNX 8 is going to be a major contender without a doubt. My tennis is simply more fun with this racket and I suspect it's more effective as well, but I'll need some more matches to know that for sure.

Sorry if I made this too long. :rolleyes:
 
The key point, which you certainly made, is that whatever else you say about lighter racquets, they are fun to play with. The caveat, which you also touched on, is that you can see some balls sail long. I don't think your remedy of simply putting on more spin is always feasible. Thus rushed defensive shots and shots for which one is not in the best position tend to be a crap shoot with such a stick.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Good for you Vin..the lightbulb flicked into the on position and you are well on your way to playing better T and keeping up w. the modern game. Modern game is all about racquet head speed....hard for most amateurs to acheive that with a demanding frame for many obvious reasons
 

WChiang

Rookie
Isn't the swingweight of the Gen II about 315 and the DNX 8 312? It doesn't sound like the Gen II would swing much heavier :confused: Why would the Gen II require so much more effort? Are the TW swingweight specs on target or does Volkl have a different SW for the frames. I am certainly not arguing with Vin....great review of the DNX 8. Best of luck with it!
 

vin

Professional
El Diablo said:
I don't think your remedy of simply putting on more spin is always feasible. Thus rushed defensive shots and shots for which one is not in the best position tend to be a crap shoot with such a stick.

True. I have some other sticks in mind if it becomes too big of a problem. Fischer Pro Tour is one of them. Similar to DNX 8 but with a 58 flex and quite a bit less power.

NoBadMojo said:
the lightbulb flicked into the on position

Yes, finally! My arm never really felt fatigued, so I never thought the racket was too heavy. Thinking back to all the sloppy second and third sets I've had over the past few years, it all makes sense now! :) (yes, good conditioning is necessary too)

WChiang said:
Isn't the swingweight of the Gen II about 315 and the DNX 8 312? It doesn't sound like the Gen II would swing much heavier :confused: Why would the Gen II require so much more effort?

I've given this a lot of thought over the past few months because it confused me as well.

Yes, they are about the same swingweight, but that tells you how difficult they are to rotate about a fixed point and not how difficult they are to move from point A to point B. A tennis swing involves both. Swingweight is a great stat, but maybe not complete. When you swing, you're also moving the racket to get it into position and also moving it forward as it rotates, and those are things that swingweight doesn't account for. Besides, rotating the racket is typically driven by your legs and torso (big muslcles) while positioning the racket is driven primarily by the shoulder (small muscle). In my case, I think my shoulder strength, and therefore static weight, is the limiting factor.

Put another way, when I'm lifting the racket up and back in preparation for a forehand, swingweight is pretty meaningless at that point. After doing it a few hundred times, I might not be able to do it as quick as I need to with a heavier racket. Just a fraction of a second delay, and I'm late. Then I have to tense up and rush the swing, which is what I found myself doing a lot of with the Gen 2.

Maybe others have had different results, and my reasoning could be wrong, but I have proven to myself that an 11 oz 330 SW is easier for me to play an entire match with than a 12 oz 315 SW.

For kicks, I'll use the USRSA method of measuring swingweight to see if there's any difference between my Gen 2 and DNX 8. I know FOR SURE that the DNX 8 is easier for me to swing despite the similar swingweight.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Vin does your Gen2 have the word 'Midsize' on the tip of the frame in red or in black? If in red, those swung with a swingweight quite bit higher than 315 and i think the dnx is around 310?
 

vin

Professional
NoBadMojo said:
Vin does your Gen2 have the word 'Midsize' on the tip of the frame in red or in black? If in red, those swung with a swingweight quite bit higher than 315 and i think the dnx is around 310?

I can't remember off the top of my head (racqets are home and I'm at work), but I had them measured by RacquetMaxx and the one I played best with had a SW of 295 unstrung. They added a total of 3g at 10 & 2 bringing the SW up to 301. I added 3g to the DNX as well, so that cancels out.
 

SC in MA

Professional
WChiang said:
Isn't the swingweight of the Gen II about 315 and the DNX 8 312? It doesn't sound like the Gen II would swing much heavier :confused: Why would the Gen II require so much more effort? Are the TW swingweight specs on target or does Volkl have a different SW for the frames. I am certainly not arguing with Vin....great review of the DNX 8. Best of luck with it!
The GenII I used to own felt like it had a swingweight in the mid 320's, which surprised me because I've found that TW swingweight specs are usually very accurate. I had a chance to hit with the DNX8 a few times and it swings very noticeably lighter than my former GenII. The DNX8 is also clearly more manuverable in general. The GenII has a player's racket weight and feel; the DNX8 a light tweener weight and feel (though it felt solid and stable).
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
The early Gen2's had a swingweight which felt around 322-325 to me. those were the ones with the 'Midsize' text in red. The current ones swing lighter and much more like the 315 stated swingweight and have the 'Midsize' in black. So indeed the Gen2 could be significantly harder to swing than the DNX8 which I think is around 310?. The DNX8 is really nice....as Vin said, it's a lot of fun to play and you can get some serious controllable power out of it. The DNX8 and the Gen2 are designed to be two entirely diff types of frames.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
i am so intrested in the dnx 8. with all the comments i read, i am thinking of buying one next week.. i am using aero prodrive std for more than 6 months now with poly/gut hybrid, and wanted to try different racket. thinking of either dnx 8 or yonex nanospeed rq 7..??? can anyone help?? which one will be more suitable ?
 

Two Fister

Rookie
Where's Marius?

Okay, I don't get it. This is the second DNX 8 thread that I've read and so far there is no immediate condemnation of this stiff (69), lightweight (10.9oz) frame as there ALWAYS is on almost EVERY Babolat thread. Hmmmm. :rolleyes:

Sup wi dat?
 

vin

Professional
Using the USRSA method, I measured the swingweights of both racquets. The Gen 2 came out to 320.4 and the DNX 8 came out to 310.5. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but I figure it should at least be good in terms of relativity.

The difference of 10 is about 3%. According to an article I read, advanced players can notice a difference as low as 2% while everyone else typically can't notice any difference within less than 5%. I don't know, maybe I can notice that small of a difference, but I still think the static weight is a factor too. What I do know is how they play and that's what I'm sticking with. :D

Two Fister said:
Sup wi dat?

Volkl handles are designed to absorb shock, Babolat handles aren't.
 

Two Fister

Rookie
vin said:
Volkl handles are designed to absorb shock, Babolat handles aren't.

So all Babolat has to do to make everyone happy on this board is to put some sort of vibration dampener system in the handle of it's racquets and that will move them from the "health threatening" category to the arm friendly category (with respect to this board)? I doubt it very much.

I wonder if any real scientific (as opposed to manufacturer's marketing type) studies have been done on the effect of this technology on the incidence and severity of tendonitis.

Not trying to put down volkl here. I've owned V1's mid and oversize, my wife uses a V1 OS (and developed BAD tennis elbow using it, BTW (handle system and all)) and I currently am trying the DNX 10 and am liking more and more. But with any manufacturer's technological advancements, whether they be magnets, piezzo electric materials, flex holes, nano technology, genetic power, etc. there is always some part that is functional and some part that is marketing.

Just astounded at the lack of concern about the health risks of the DNX 8 from all those people who condemn the Babolats. Their specs are so close. In fact, I believe the DNX 8 is even lighter.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Two Fister I suggest you hit with the DNX8 first before disputing what other people who have hit with it have to say..that seems to be a logical thing to do. Thoughtful design, using more of the good stuff, vibration dampening handle systems, etc are hardly gimmicks, especially when comparing to piezzo electric fibres, magnets, nCoding and such. I found the DNX8 to be a very comfortable hit for its stiffness and weight..far more so than the PureDrive
 

jackcrawford

Professional
NBM, did your fellow teaching pro who regularly hits the PD hit the DNX8? I'm a 3.5 who uses the Drive and have never had arm trouble, I string it it low w synthetic gut and didn't find the DNX harsh, I just didn't like the feel - it felt to me like a stiff Instinct. I just wondered what a good player like him who uses the Drive would think of the DNX8.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Jack I havent seen him since I got the DNX8..he's a trainer as well and has been traveling training Gimelstab....he's got his work cut out for him there ;O
I didnt find the DNX8 to be at all like the Instinct but understand that perceptions vary. The Instinct I hit felt surprisingly headheavy.
 

Two Fister

Rookie
NoBadMojo said:
Two Fister I suggest you hit with the DNX8 first before disputing what other people who have hit with it have to say..that seems to be a logical thing to do. Thoughtful design, using more of the good stuff, vibration dampening handle systems, etc are hardly gimmicks, especially when comparing to piezzo electric fibres, magnets, nCoding and such. I found the DNX8 to be a very comfortable hit for its stiffness and weight..far more so than the PureDrive

NBM, I'm not disputing anything anyone has said about their experience with the DNX 8. Just that the montra around here seems to be for some (many) people: Stiff and light = tennis elbow. Now I'm not saying you said that, but I'm sure you can't deny having read this many, many times in these discussions.

As far as me hitting with the DNX 8, well I'd agree with you 1000% if I were making a comment about the hitting characteristics of that frame. I'm not. I'm trying not to disrepect volkl. I like volkl racquets (and skis). I'm only being the cynic and wondering why the above montra doesn't seem to apply to the dnx 8 with many on this board. For so many (not you in particular), it seems to be like a Newtonian law of physics. F = MA, S + L = TE, etc.

Also, I'm probably not a great judge of what racquet "feels arm friendly." I seem to be the anomoly. I used the PureDrive for a couple of years with no significant arm problems and my elbow is prone to problems because when I was a teenager I had a bone chip off right in the joint of my right elbow. I was in a cast for 4 months and do not have full extension or flexion of my right arm (yes I play tennis right handed). My elbow has always hurt after playing even with wood racquets, aluminum racquets, with every racquet I have ever hit with since my injury as a kid. But I really hurt my elbow when I switched from the puredrive to the nsix-one 95 for six months. My elbow would ache and have very sharp pain. I had to switch back to the pure drive and did fine (normal amount of pain) after that. Then I got the AeroProDrive+ and still okay.

But I do have to admit that I seem to have a bit less pain after playing when I use the DNX 10. That's the main reason why I'm still using it. That and the cool paint job.

Once again, I know nothing about the DNX 8 (except the specs) and I am not commenting on the racquet. I'm commenting on the lack of response from members of this board.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
gotcha two fister. marius does often jump in with stickys, but i think he is being more aware that not all lighter weight stiff frames are evil. besides i think he has gotten tired of all the crap around here in his efforts to help people and maybe hasnt been around much. as far as the V1 frame, that frame has been tauted for more than a decade as an arm saver in spite of its stiffness. i'm pretty sensitive to shock being old and having hit so many balls over the years, and i dont get any twinges with the DNX8...cant say that about the PD. I wouldnt go as far as putting a leather grip on the DNX8 or stringing very tightly or using a poly.
 

bcaz

Professional
Two fister, you make some good points. I haven't hit the DNX 8, but I switched from a heavy racquet to the DNX V1 a few months ago. It's modified somewhat wiith a leather grip and an overgrip and comes in at about 11.3 oz and 5-6 pts. HL. The leather should make it less forgiving in terms of arm comfort than the stock grip, and its stiffness is comparable to the DNX 8. In fact, the overall setup makes it somewhat similar to the DNX 8, on paper at least. My V1 is a comfortable hit; so is my 10-year V1, set up similarly to the DNX. I must point out I use natural gut, which makes a huge difference in comfort, IMO. I also believe the Volkl handle systems make a difference. FWIW, I demoed the Pure Drive a few years ago and though it was too powerful for me, that's all -- maybe the woofers. I actually own a Pure Control and felt the same way about it -- I haven't hit with it for a long time, though, and my game has changed a bit. Didn't hit with either of them enough to declare them health hazards. Some people find Wilsons, even the HL pro staffs, to be harsh. Personally, I found a couple of Dunlops to be hard on the arm and shoulder. I like the comfort the PK line, with and without kinetics, offers.

My take is that the health of your arm is a function of how you hit the ball as well as your equipment, but those who play every day (I envy you dudes!) are at greater risk of wear-and-tear maladies.
 

bcaz

Professional
Vin, BTW, you made a good case for something that's intrigued me, and that's the interplay between static weight and swing weight. I can measure static weight but not swingweight, so on SW I have to take TW's stats for granted. I can't get past the fact that my former game sticks, Estusa PBBs, have lower, or roughhly equivalent, swingweights to my Volkl V1s. Even so, there is no doubt in my mind how much faster I can swing the V1s. It's not even close. I agree with your analysis of this issue; it's not just about rotating the racquet, it's about moving it in all planes. If the Estusa was easier to swing all day long than the V1, or if I could swing it as fast, I wouldn't have switched. BTW, I'm thiking about the DNX 8, but I'm in no hurry, since I'm liking the V1. But I welcome info on the 8 and any compare/contrast takes vs. the V1.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
BCaz I agree with your comment about the PureDrive and the power level. if the frame was used as designed <for the recreational 2.5 or so female> and strung within the recommended tension with something not harsh it wouldnt be an uncomfortable frame.....but it would be a missle launcher <which it was designed to be>.....so people must string it up tightly and often with poly for control and therein lies the problem....it wasnt designed for that. The V1 is an entrely different frame and the DNX8 is more of an impact frame like the PureDrive but you dont have to used dead stiff strings at tighter tension because it isnt a rocket launcher.
 

bcaz

Professional
Thanks for the tip on the DNX 8, Moje -- I'm very interested in it but I'm gonna wait until later this summer when the DNX 9 is available and do a side-by-side demo with the 8. I read your recent take on the DNX 9 and I doubt that it's my stick, but I'm curious anyway. I disliked the VE 9s and while I have a C10 Pro and like the 10 line, it's too much stick for me. So far, my main misgiving about the V1 is touch on volleys, and I haven't had them long enough to explore various string setups. The gut in my DNX V1 is about to go, so I'll have a chance to try something a bit different.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Bcaz we guys stuck in the netherworld between old school and new have a tougher time I think. I keep hanging on to my tricked up Gen1's as nothing gives me enough reason to change and I think I use these frames prettty well still for a guy of my advanced years. so if i change, i would need to spend the time to relearn to hit my spots with the serve, play around w. string tensions and such, perhaps to only get back to the same place i started from. I'm so feedback oriented and really have a tough time with stiff and wide as wide feels hollow by its very nature after being a thin beamed sorta guy all these years...I need to at somepoint learn to deal with that. In spending more time w. the DNX9, I dont think it's right for me either...nice frame, but it's more demanding than my Gen1's in spite of the lighter swingweight.the sweetspot is smaller. i could learn to make it work, but likely i would then spend the time and only be back to where i am right now. I want to spend more time with the DNX8, as that frame is easier to use and has more impact..but has control..now to get used to the diff feedback.......In your case, you've got a headstart since you use theV1..wouldnt be much of an adjustment at all for you to the DNX8 as they do swing a lot alike, and I think you would find this frame may give your game a little bump...if you like, i'll post something more after i give this thing another good workout
 

bcaz

Professional
By all means, NoBad -- please do, go for it -- I try to pay close attention to the impressions posted by folks who are tuned in and really listening to their experiences with the gear and taking the time to pass along their thoughts. My condolences, BTW, on the DNX V9 thing -- I know, it may still be early, but I've followed your progression through Volkl's releases the last couple of years ... The 9 seems to be a chronic hole in the Volkl line-up, eh? I never had a chance to hit with the older 9s. I'm not an advanced player as you are but I'm over 50 so I can relate to the kinds of adjustments you're challenged to make, whether it's your old gear or a new stick or string that holds some promise.
 

NoBadMojo

G.O.A.T.
Bcaz I'll post something..i think i can have a long session w. this frame on Weds. I like the gear stuff, but am very reticient about changing for the reasons I said earlier. The 9 series and the 8 series have been not amongst Volkl finest typically..I think they are doing fine now with the 8 series w. the CatVE8 and DNX8...i think both are very nice frames. The 9 series has been a weak area as you indicate...the VE9 wasnt much of a frame I dont think..the DNX9 is an improvement but one I consider for an advanced player and many advanced players are still using more swingweight than that..it's a specialty frame and will fit some perfectly, but hardly a mainstreamer..the old Tour9 was a good hit but agan not very mainstream as it was pretty light and stiff but also lower powered. the V1 has always been good of course and anything from the 10series seems to always be done right altho i am now at the edge of being able to use 10series stuff well. I'm enjoying ways to still play good T as I get older...it's always a fun challenge,
 

SC in MA

Professional
NoBadMojo said:
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I didnt find the DNX8 to be at all like the Instinct but understand that perceptions vary. The Instinct I hit felt surprisingly headheavy.
I'm in agreement with Mojo. I've hit with both the DNX8 and Flexpoint Instinct and found them to be very different. Like Mojo I thought the Instinct felt surprisingly headheavy. The SW of the Instinct is higher (around 330 to around 312 for the DNX8)) and it feels like it. On the plus side, I thought the Instinct hit a noticeably more solid, heavier ball from the baseline, which is probably related to the higher SW. The downside of the Instinct for me is that it feels heavier overall and is noticeably less manueverable than the DNX8.
 

vin

Professional
Two Fister, I don't have anything against the Pure Drive. In fact, I hit with it a few years ago and enjoyed it. I remember it being a nice comfortable hit on serves and groundies, but it hurt my wrist on vollies.

bcaz, I find the whole swingweight and static weight combination a little frustrating since it's hard to measure swingweight, but it can be done. If you join USRSA, they have a way for you to do it. You have to measure a few things and then plug the numbers into their calculator. Like you, I seem to notice big differences in rackets with similar swingweights but different static weights.

Looks like the VE9 doesn't have a very big fan club. I actually like it and got one to experiment with. I didn't find it uncomfortable, but thought it needed some extra juice. We'll see if I can make something happen with it.

Back to the DNX 8 - or should I say the string monster. 3 times out and broken strings. :rolleyes:

I hit with a couple other sticks last night - the new Yonex RDS 003 and the Pro Kennex Laver Type S. I don't think either of them quite stacked up to the DNX 8. The RDS 003 has a completely different feel and I think I might like it better than that of the DNX 8, and it may also have more power, but I found it a little harder to swing than I expected. It wasn't a challenge to swing, but started to become a little akward towards the end - bad sign. My initial impression of the Type S is that it's harsh. Hitting the sweetspot didn't really feel that good, but I'll give it more time.
 

Edouard

New User
Vin, you have tried both the V1 MP and the dnx 8.

Could you compare these two frames for me ( in termes of control manoeuvrability/power ...) ?
I am about to buy the V1 but i want to be sure that it is a nice choice.

I think my kinf of game is close to yours (hard whip shots with spin !!)

I now play with a horrible H6 ... so i am looking for better control and maneouvrability without sacrifying too much power.

Thanks
 

jackcrawford

Professional
bcaz said:
I switched from a heavy racquet to the DNX V1 a few months ago... My take is that the health of your arm is a function of how you hit the ball as well as your equipment, but those who play every day (I envy you dudes!) are at greater risk of wear-and-tear maladies.
FWIW, my mixed doubles partner at the 3.5 level pays five times a week, is sensitive to arm pain from stiff, light racquets and switched to the DNX V1MP over the summer - she has had no arm problems w/17 guage syngut@55 and plays better than with the heavy, flexy stick she was using prior to that.
 

drak

Hall of Fame
Drak DNX8 extended update

a few weeks ago I posted about my "modified to 27.25 inches" (see previous post on how I did it) in length DNX 8. Bottom line I like it a lot, more then the stock frame and I have been playing arougnt with the weight/balance parameters.

I have gone as high at 11.5 oz and 6 pts HL to 10.8 oz and 4-5 pts HL. Bottom line is I seem to be settling and liking it at about 11.2 oz and 5 pts HL - this seems to be the best combo of solidity and maintaining manuervability for my game. With this set up the racket servers very well and does everything else very well.

By the way I play with a gut/hybrid and I get the same control as I do from my CAT8VE's with a noticeable boost in power on groundstrokes and especially serves. Comfort so far is excellent with no arm/shoulder tweeks at all.
 

vin

Professional
Edouard said:
Vin, you have tried both the V1 MP and the dnx 8.

Could you compare these two frames for me ( in termes of control manoeuvrability/power ...) ?

The absolute first thing I thought of when I first hit with the DNX 8 is how much it reminded me of feel of the DNX V1 MP.

It was a few months ago that I hit with the V1. I remember it being less powerful than the DNX 8 and it's also probably more maneuverable because I found it too easy for me to swing which was causing me to have some timing issues. In general, I think the DNX 8 simply has more substance than the V1, just like how most "player" frames have more substance than the DNX 8. Why not try the 8 to see if it fits your swing and then consider the V1 if the 8 turns out to be too much?
 

vin

Professional
drak said:
By the way I play with a gut/hybrid and I get the same control as I do from my CAT8VE's with a noticeable boost in power on groundstrokes and especially serves. Comfort so far is excellent with no arm/shoulder tweeks at all.

Your review and comparison to the Cat 8 VE is what made me check this stick out. Thanks dude! :)
 

Edouard

New User
vin said:
Why not try the 8 to see if it fits your swing and then consider the V1 if the 8 turns out to be too much?
Because i live in France where Volkl Racquets are hardly available ...

The Dnx V8 is probably more powerfull due to its weight ...

Have you played both racquets with the same stringing conditions ?
 

Gus

New User
Vin or others- tell us some more about string breakage with this frame & 16X18 pattern. I'm looking at new frames for my daughter and on the demo list are the V1 10 year and the DNX 8 among others. I'm wondering if the string breakage issue may eventually lead users to try stiffer strings to compensate, lowering the comfort level in the process.

She's currently using a weighted up prince beast (320g 2pts HL) and is starting to have too much power- lost of misses long. We increased the tension by 5 pounds to 57 and it has helped but I'm worried that it might be too stiff a set up. She didn't complain and it felt ok to me but her set up is very string and tension sensitive, wrong string or too much tension and it feels horrible.

The DNX 8 looks great on paper and can't wait to hit with it, but I'm worried that it will ultimately be the same situation due to string breakage. She's also in love with her leather grip so I'm kind of leaning toward the v1. More info on string issues would be helpul though. thanks
 

mark1

Semi-Pro
to be honest....your best bet is to buy cheap strings like og micro or psgd and either purchase a stringing machine yourself or find someone to do it for you. string breakage is part of the process on open patterned frames.
 

vin

Professional
I'll be restringing tonight and am tempted to try ALU Power at ~50 lbs. If I do, I'll report back.
 

bagung

Hall of Fame
i decided to buy dnx8... just wondering is the volkl grip size is the same as wilson or slightly smaller?
 
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