Another Vantage review

Dino Lagaffe

Hall of Fame
Review on Vantage with the following specs:

95 in² 16x19 63 RA
27˝ 330 g 315 mm, 9pts HL
Strung at 23 kilos with Völkl Power Fibre 16

Initial thoughts

Over the past few years I’ve played with hundreds of racquets. This is partly due to the fact that I’m a racquet collector and like to try my racquets out, but also because a general interest in what’s on the market. During bouts with tendonitis in my shoulder I was also trying to figure out what made racquets feel and react the way they did, and what would be ideal for me. I have a Völkl contract, and have used their racquets for almost 3 years now. (Year one = Tour 10 MP, year 2 = Catapult 10 customised, year 3 = Tour 10 MP generation II.) The racquets I used right before that were the Estusa Power Beam Braided followed by the Head Prestige Tour 600. After having used many, and tried even more, I generally prefer rather heavy, evenly balanced/head light and flexible racquets.

When I decided on the specs, I looked for roughly the same numbers as my Völkl Tour 10 MP Gen. II, so as to be able to get a basic comparison. My first impressions with the Vantage (pre-strung) weren’t that favourable, as it felt a little bit like a sling shot to me. I found it difficult to control the ball, and I missed the feeling of the soft butt cap that I have grown accustomed to. I cut the string out and replaced it by Völkl Power Fibre 16 at 23 kilos, and after that things were about to change… (BTW, I have yet to try the string in my regular racquet. I’m sure it will work just fine.)

Ground strokes
I was impressed by the general feel of the Vantage; slightly soft and cushioned but definitely not mushy, a solid, direct and consistent response without any real hot or dead spots. There are obviously livelier racquets around, but one usually pays for that by getting vibrations as well. Spin was easily available, both slices and top spin. I usually hit with decent top spin on my forehand, and it was really easy to find the groove. When playing heavy hitters I tend to hit a little flatter, and that worked well, too. The weight works to your advantage, as you can really plough through the ball. Something weird was that it felt more evenly balanced when playing than the actual balance indicates it should. This was a not a problem though, rather the contrary.

Volleys
No problems what so ever. The Vantage felt manoeuvrable and heavy enough to be able to both just block volleys back as well as being more active and creative in your shot selection. Playing touch shots, such as the drop volley, half volley and drop shots was a delight.

Serves
My view is that how a racquet feels when it comes to serving depends way more on your stroke mechanics than at any other shot. Obviously, a racquet can add to or subtract from ones natural strong or weak points. Sometimes I can’t help finding it a little bit silly, though, when people on the TW board, for instance, claim that they totally lost their ability to hit a kick serve when using racquet X or Y. That was just a side note…

I could hit all my normal serve varieties with full confidence, but what worked really well for me was hitting flat bombs down the middle. As with ground strokes, spin was there when needed, too.

Returns
Sometimes I could have asked for a little more depth on returns, but that’s got more to do with me than the racquet. The solid and rather cushioned feel that is present at ground strokes, and especially the consistent response in the string bed, makes it possible to both “go for it” or block returns back with confidence.

Summary
All in all a very nice racquet, and definitely on the top 10 list of racquets I’ve played with. I was attracted to the clean and elegant look, and the way it performs indicates that it “means business” too. After several hours of play, I have yet to find a weak point. It has done everything I’ve asked for. It took a little while to figure the racquet out, but I now feel that I can really recommend it to others. Given the configuration, it probably works better for fairly good players, but as long as you can handle the weight it seems to be pretty user friendly.

Something I feel would have added to the experience would be the soft butt cap I’m used to, and possibly also a crisper and more lively feeling. At the same time I’m not willing to settle for the usual trade off, which is more vibrations… If I was to order another racquet, which I might very well do one day, I’d go for the 90 version, and probably make it a tad heavier and more evenly balanced.

As I have already mentioned, I’ve played with a whole bunch of racquets over the past few years, and the Vantage definitely has proven its worth to me. A solid performer. In comparison to other racquets:

- It feels a little bit like the Yonex RDX 500 series, which is also a very solid feeling and versatile racquet.
- It plays more like the Völkl Tour 10 Mid than the MP.
- It feels closer to the old Head Prestige Classic line than to the current Prestige line, although more muted.
- It’s been a while since I tried it, but from what I remember it’s not so unlike the Dunlop 200G, but possibly a little bit softer.
 

Dino Lagaffe

Hall of Fame
Given the current debate on these boards, I just wanted to add a few comments:

- I don't work for Vantage.

- I wouldn't have posted the review if I didn't think there was an interest for this kind of racquet.

- I salute TW for the fact that Vantage isn't a banned word on the board, since the company must mean at least some level of competition.

- One major strength of the Vantage idea isn't that you decide on each aspect of the racquet, but rather that you can pick different combinations of specs that are fairly hard to come by. For example a heavy, HL 100 in2 frame or a 28", 90 in2 frame. I didn't pick such a combination this time, but that was for comparison reasons. It can also so happen that you like a basic, no-nonsense racquet, without nano-technology, and you know what you want specs wise and you are prepared to pay the cost.

- You can get basically anything in the world if you pay for it, including your very own, exclusive, one-off, self-designed racquet, but it won't happen for under $200... This is what you get, and I have yet to see someone offer this level of semi-customization at this price.

- I do believe that there will be more choices available in future, if the business gets going the way I hope it does. More choices means a higher level of customization, in a way, but as pointed out above, hoping to have a 100% say in what materials and technologies used in racquet is simply unrealistic and naive.

- I think it was No Bad Mojo (sorry if it wasn't) who stated that the Vantage concept really was working psychologically, as it lead people to believe that they had more input in the final product than in fact they do. I agree. At the same time one must acknowledge the fact that this is how things work out in marketing. Cars get a Limited Edition badge, in spite of the fact that there are a 100 000 of them being produced, all identical. For just a bit of extra $ you get the y-version, rather than the "common" x-version.

- I don't know the relation between Vantage and Tommy Gun, but I don't think there was any agreement between the two when TG first posted a review. If there was, one can discuss the ethical side of it. It's not exactly the same, but then, in a way, all sponsored players and coaches on this board should be urged not to mention their employers favorably.

Well, that was just a few things I wanted to mention, having posted this review. Feel free to comment or ask me any questions you might have.
 

Dino Lagaffe

Hall of Fame
Thanks BLiND.

In "that other" thread there was a discusion on which level of customization one is actually getting. It would be interesting to see what options people would like to see added to the current list at Vantage, (OR any other brand for that matter). What is it that people most of all would like to get in a custom racquet? More flex options? More weight and balance alternatives?
 

Dino Lagaffe

Hall of Fame
Me too, Sandro, just to be able to compare with other racquets. On the other hand I don't worry about it, as I've already got the racquet, and can relate it to others IRL, admittedly without no exact numbers.

I know RDC numbers can be deceiving, but the one thing I'd like to see is more flex options. Another thing would be to get even the heavier racquets more evenly balanced.
 

BHud

Hall of Fame
Sandro...I worked w/ Paul on the swingweight of my frames (100", 27", 16x19, 63 RA, 11.7 oz. unstrung, 12 pts headlight unstrung) and he was able to keep them on the lower end of the spectrum (low 320s). I agree, this variable is critical in my choice of racquets and would love to see that as an option (although Paul can have some impact on that variable today depending on your preferences).


BTW...In my first sentence, I may have used a poor choice of words. As further clarification, I do not "work" for Vantage or any other racquet company. I wear lots of adidas clothing...hoping that they will pay me NOT to show up to the court in their stuff...
 
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