thanks - but it must be better than doing shadow swings or?at least some contact with the ball.See them used quite a bit with juniors, not sure how useful they’d be for anyone that can already hit well.
So, depends on your level I guess.
i have it... specifically to teach kids/beginners.Any owners here? a lot of online coaches now promoting this thing so I wonder if it would be useful in winter in my room - because i am not playing much on winter ---too expensive.
i have it... specifically to teach kids/beginners.
pretty good tool, gives instant feedback on whether you're hitting topspin properly... no need say to close the face, swing low to high, etc... just say, roll the ball forward with your racquet,... and they figure it out.
prior to the topspinpro, my favorite teaching tool (for beginners) was the practice hit...(which i still like to practice footwork/etc... because it's more durable and you can "swing out/fast")
but once you "get it" (topspin), i'd much rather use the practiceHit for "shadow swinging" if i need feedback of hitting something... (doesn't seem like topspinpro will survive any sort of fast hitting... but i presume it's not designed for that)
but overall i usually use the EtchSwing for shadow swinging (but i already know how to hit topspin)
i haven't tried it (don't intend to), but i think i'd rather get this:
which seems to combine the durability of the practicehit, and the ball spinning feedback of the topspin pro
overall, more usable beyond the beginner stage IMO
***
found this comparison vid:* she makes some good points... seems like a positive (via topspin pro) to help really focus on the feel/touch of hitting topspin (same thing i do when playing mini tennis).
* didn't think of this... but the screen does give feedback to help swing plane the same..
that said, i still liek the topspinpro best for beginners... because it "shows" what the plane of the racquet should be at, at contact (with that nylon mesh plane... and it's pretty light weight and easy to break down (i already hate carrying hoppers to a public court)
and i prefer the practiceHit or etchswing for my own shadow swing training (4.5 male)... but IMO my strokes are already grooved... (though the racquetflex vid made me rethink i might have to revisit using the topspin pro to work on more topspin on my 2hbh - specifically more reps on the racquet drop when initiating the forward swing)
hehe, asking "for a friend"?I already hit 3000 RPM so I have no need of this but I do have a friend that has been bugging me to no end asking to teach him how to hit these amazing topspin like I do,, and RAFA does...... He's been at me for this for last 2 years. Which contraptions above should I recommend he buy ?? I don't think he will buy it if it is too expensive..........Thank you in advance
the point is NOT to wait for it to stop.. it's like a speed bag in boxing... you time the rebound.Re: the first video, I would get dizzy looking at the ball wiggle in multiple directions while waiting for it to stop after one stroke. Moreover, the real problem in topspin is facing balls with different heights, depths, and incoming spins.
the point is NOT to wait for it to stop.. it's like a speed bag in boxing... you time the rebound.
ball only "wiggles in multiple directions" if you hit it wrong else it just goes in 1 direction (straight) which is good feedback in itself.
I don't think he can hit 10,000 RPMS, even I can't do that. Junior I teach, I teach them patience while this comes but this guy doesn't seem to have too much patience. I told him it will take like 6 month to get good rpm, and he said, he wants it by next weekhehe, asking "for a friend"?
for purely learning/reinforcing feel of topspin, i'd go with the topspinpro
it's like minitennis without a partner... you can make a game out of making the ball spin as fast as you can...
@Phillip Hofmeyr would be cool if you can add an rpm meter (like:)
lol, so are scales in the piano, and footwork drills on the ladder... they all teach a vocabulary of movement and timing that can be used to form "sentences" in "real" situations.That is an artificial situation - in real life a ball is not going back and forth in front of me.
It maybe a cool tool in places where it is cold in winter and the person cannot afford indoor courts.
only 6 mos, you must be a genius instructor.I don't think he can hit 10,000 RPMS, even I can't do that. Junior I teach, I teach them patience while this comes but this guy doesn't seem to have too much patience. I told him it will take like 6 month to get good rpm, and he said, he wants it by next week
lol, so are scales in the piano, and footwork drills on the ladder... they all teach a vocabulary of movement and timing that can be used to form "sentences" in "real" situations.
i'm sure you play great despite not understanding the value of any of these tools.
you need to turn your rpm-meter to the "low" setting.Exactly! My topspin is better than most of the old farts out here and some of them are pissed off about that and make fun of me.
I am good and genius. both correct. Teaching topspin isn't that hard, right Grip and right swing path is all you need. And the feel for the ball comes in time. I taught myself that 3000 RPM topspin, no one taught me. I watched Matts Wilander swing and it looked good so I copied his swing. and WALA, I was hitting huge topspin in 3 month time.only 6 mos, you must be a genius instructor.
i have it... specifically to teach kids/beginners.
pretty good tool, gives instant feedback on whether you're hitting topspin properly... no need say to close the face, swing low to high, etc... just say, roll the ball forward with your racquet,... and they figure it out.
prior to the topspinpro, my favorite teaching tool (for beginners) was the practice hit...(which i still like to practice footwork/etc... because it's more durable and you can "swing out/fast")
but once you "get it" (topspin), i'd much rather use the practiceHit for "shadow swinging" if i need feedback of hitting something... (doesn't seem like topspinpro will survive any sort of fast hitting... but i presume it's not designed for that)
but overall i usually use the EtchSwing for shadow swinging (but i already know how to hit topspin)
i haven't tried it (don't intend to), but i think i'd rather get this:
which seems to combine the durability of the practicehit, and the ball spinning feedback of the topspin pro
overall, more usable beyond the beginner stage IMO
***
found this comparison vid:* she makes some good points... seems like a positive (via topspin pro) to help really focus on the feel/touch of hitting topspin (same thing i do when playing mini tennis).
* didn't think of this... but the screen does give feedback to help swing plane the same..
that said, i still liek the topspinpro best for beginners... because it "shows" what the plane of the racquet should be at, at contact (with that nylon mesh plane... and it's pretty light weight and easy to break down (i already hate carrying hoppers to a public court)
and i prefer the practiceHit or etchswing for my own shadow swing training (4.5 male)... but IMO my strokes are already grooved... (though the racquetflex vid made me rethink i might have to revisit using the topspin pro to work on more topspin on my 2hbh - specifically more reps on the racquet drop when initiating the forward swing)
Hi Acintya,
I invented the TopspinPro so wanted to add a brief (hopefully unbiased) comment. but obviously the most value would come from other TT members with experience to share.
Yes - it's very common for folks to use it indoors in winter and it is a LOT more fun (& effective) than shadow swings.
To get an objective view of how well it works please have a look at the Verified Purchase reviews on Amazon.
T_pac is right, the primary focus is to help anyone that hasn't mastered topspin so that is typically intermediate players and beginners. However it is increasingly used for still-ball training drills - eg an advanced player working on footwork - and also for serve & slice once the head unit is removed.
Have a look at the instagram hashtag for some ideas.
If you decide to buy... it's $10 cheaper than Amazon on our website and you get a 60 day no questions asked return policy so if it doesn't deliver results you can send it back. But odds are you'll love it.
Phil
hmm... lhfh... i might have to give the nod to the topspinpro...wow, thanks for you time man! A appreciate it very much. I also am learning left handed forehand and if nothing else this thing could give me good practice at home - to make a lot of repetitions - because I dont have time not the money to pay for indoor courts more than twice a week!
mannn! over 200€ for this and shipping to europe.
I wonder how durable this thing is??
http://www.connectedclubs.co.uk/product-category/eye-coach/
so what's the issue teaching your buddy?I am good and genius. both correct. Teaching topspin isn't that hard, right Grip and right swing path is all you need. And the feel for the ball comes in time. I taught myself that 3000 RPM topspin, no one taught me. I watched Matts Wilander swing and it looked good so I copied his swing. and WALA, I was hitting huge topspin in 3 month time.
too much work. I have to fix his grip which is eastern forehand grip to semi western or western grip. and have to change his swing path and make sure he gets the ball feel. All of which is much more work in adults due to many years of bad habits. In juniors, they are much more of blank sheet, and is much easier to teach as long as they are having fun and wants to change.so what's the issue teaching your buddy?
just curious, why is 3k topspin the goal?too much work. I have to fix his grip which is eastern forehand grip to semi western or western grip. and have to change his swing path and make sure he gets the ball feel. All of which is much more work in adults due to many years of bad habits. In juniors, they are much more of blank sheet, and is much easier to teach as long as they are having fun and wants to change.
it's a goal like anything else in life. for amateur adult player, 3000 rPM is probably the pinnacle of what you can achieve with topspin shots. you can finally say, I can hit massive topspin shots, and I am good.just curious, why is 3k topspin the goal?
lol, no one good says they hit "masssive" anything.it's a goal like anything else in life. for amateur adult player, 3000 rPM is probably the pinnacle of what you can achieve with topspin shots. you can finally say, I can hit massive topspin shots, and I am good.
I am good and genius. both correct. Teaching topspin isn't that hard, right Grip and right swing path is all you need. And the feel for the ball comes in time. I taught myself that 3000 RPM topspin, no one taught me. I watched Matts Wilander swing and it looked good so I copied his swing. and WALA, I was hitting huge topspin in 3 month time.
it's a goal like anything else in life. for amateur adult player, 3000 rPM is probably the pinnacle of what you can achieve with topspin shots. you can finally say, I can hit massive topspin shots, and I am good.
@nytennisaddict We are working on an RPM accessory you can add to the TopspinProhehe, asking "for a friend"?
for purely learning/reinforcing feel of topspin, i'd go with the topspinpro
it's like minitennis without a partner... you can make a game out of making the ball spin as fast as you can...
@Phillip Hofmeyr would be cool if you can add an rpm meter (like:)
@sureshs I think the first challenge is: am I or aren't I hitting with topspin. But yes, height, depth & incoming spins can make execution more difficult.Moreover, the real problem in topspin is facing balls with different heights, depths, and incoming spins.
@acintya if you're going to be working on a left-handed forehand then the TopspinPro might be more useful - as @nytennisaddict points out, it's better for technique /avoiding "burning bad reps". Lisa Dodson (who does the video above showing the different purposes for the TopspinPro & the EyeCoach) did exactly that when she had shoulder surgery recently and wanted to continue coaching.wow, thanks for you time man! A appreciate it very much. I also am learning left handed forehand and if nothing else this thing could give me good practice at home - to make a lot of repetitions - because I dont have time not the money to pay for indoor courts more than twice a week!
mannn! over 200€ for this and shipping to europe.
I wonder how durable this thing is??
http://www.connectedclubs.co.uk/product-category/eye-coach/
you could do that. Or you could take the head unit out and hold it above your head. Have a look at what this coach is demonstrating:If I mount it to the ceiling, can I work on my kick serve?
should i send you my address, so i can alpha test it@nytennisaddict We are working on an RPM accessory you can add to the TopspinPro
You bet! We'd love that. email me on phil@topspinpro.comshould i send you my address, so i can alpha test it
If I mount it to the ceiling, can I work on my kick serve?
perhaps he is Filipino?Dude it is Voila not WALA
presuming tagalog, i think that word is "walang" == "nothing"perhaps he is Filipino?
“Walang” is just “Wala ang” contracted, with the “ang” as a pointer to what there is nothing of.presuming tagalog, i think that word is "walang" == "nothing"
presuming tagalog, i think that word is "walang" == "nothing"
Substitute nothing for WALA below and it makes no sense:
so I copied his swing. and WALA, I was hitting huge topspin in 3 month time.
Even Nosty's mistakes are extremely funny!
voi·la
/vwäˈlä/
exclamation
- there it is; there you are.
"“Voila!” she said, producing a pair of strappy white sandals"
@sureshs I think the first challenge is: am I or aren't I hitting with topspin. But yes, height, depth & incoming spins can make execution more difficult.
On that note, we are developing extensions to allow one to work on high f/h & b/h, slice & topspin/slice serve. "Still-ball" training so not the real thing but still useful to isolate technique.
Hi Jim,Any progress on the RPM measurement and other extensions into the Topspin Pro? When will they be ready?
This is so impressive that the inventor jumps in here to clarify. This is where I’m at, I’m an old school player who started playing with wood racquets when I was a kid, played through HS on my team and a little in college in early 90’s. Stopped for like 20 years and started playing again 5 years ago and have struggled to pick up modern forehand but it’s coming around. Playing against wall, ball machine etc I quickly fall back to old swing path. I think there’s probably something to hitting a ball that’s more or less stationary and giving you that reward feedback where you can mindfully groove in a completely different stroke.Hi Acintya,
I invented the TopspinPro so wanted to add a brief (hopefully unbiased) comment. but obviously the most value would come from other TT members with experience to share.
Yes - it's very common for folks to use it indoors in winter and it is a LOT more fun (& effective) than shadow swings.
To get an objective view of how well it works please have a look at the Verified Purchase reviews on Amazon.
T_pac is right, the primary focus is to help anyone that hasn't mastered topspin so that is typically intermediate players and beginners. However it is increasingly used for still-ball training drills - eg an advanced player working on footwork - and also for serve & slice once the head unit is removed.
Have a look at the instagram hashtag for some ideas.
If you decide to buy... it's $10 cheaper than Amazon on our website and you get a 60 day no questions asked return policy so if it doesn't deliver results you can send it back. But odds are you'll love it.
Phil