AO Seedings

[batz]

1 Novak Djokovic (Serbia)
2 Rafa Nadal (Spain)
3 Roger Federer (Switzerland)
4 Andy Murray (Britain)
5 David Ferrer (Spain)
6 Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (France)
7 Tomas Berdych (Czech Republic)
8 Mardy Fish (US)
9 Janko Tipsarevic (Serbia)
10 Nicolas Almagro (Spain)
11 Juan Martin Del Potro (Argentina)
12 Gilles Simon (France)
13 Alexandr Dolgopolov (Ukraine)
14 Gael Monfils (France)
15 Andy Roddick (US)
16 John Isner (US)
17 Richard Gasquet (France)
18 Feliciano Lopez (Spain)
19 Viktor Troicki (Serbia)
20 Florian Mayer (Germany)
21 Stanislas Wawrinka (Switzerland)
22 Fernando Verdasco (Spain)
23 Milos Raonic (Canada)
24 Kei Nishikori (Japan)
25 Juan Monaco (Argentina)
26 Marcel Granollers (Spain)
27 Juan Ignacio Chela (Argentina)
28 Ivan Ljubicic (Croatia)
29 Radek Stepanek (Czech Republic)
30 Kevin Anderson (South Africa)
31 Jurgen Melzer (Austria)
32 Alex Bogomolov Jr (US)


Milos' move up the rankings will be greeted with sighs of relief by the top guys who now cannot be drawn to face him in R3. Bernard Tomic just failed to make a seeding and will definitely be a dangerous floater.

 

[niff]

I was trying to work out who else had withdrawn other than Soderling. Must have missed the Cilic announcement, ah.

 

[OddJack]

Raonic is the favorite against 8 down

 

[Moose Malloy]

Milos' move up the rankings will be greeted with sighs of relief by the top guys who now cannot be drawn to face him in R3.

how does the draw work? #2 Federer drew the #25 seed in the 3rd round of last year's AO.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

how does the draw work? #2 Federer drew the #25 seed in the 3rd round of last year's AO.

Seeds cannot clash before the 3rd round in a draw of 128 with 32 seeds.


#17 to #32 cannot meet the top 16 before the 3rd Round. Similarly, the Top 8 cannot meet the next 8 before the round of 16 (R4)....same as other slams.

The seeding advantage is gained by moving from #17 to #16, #9 to #8, etc.

 

[batz]

how does the draw work? #2 Federer drew the #25 seed in the 3rd round of last year's AO.

Seeds 1-8 are drawn against seeds 25-32 in R3
Seeds 9-16 are drawn against 17-24 in R3

Seeds 1-8 are drawn against seeds 9-16 in R4

Seeds 1-4 are drawn against seeds 5-8 in the QFs

Seeds 3-4 are drawn against seeds 1 and 2 in the SFs

Seed 1 goes on the top line of the draw, seed 2 goes at line 128 of the draw.

It actually gets drawn in the opposite order to the way I have written it i.e. Seed 1 goes on to line 1, then seed 2 goes on to line 128 etc.

 

[batz]

Seeds cannot clash before the 3rd round in a draw of 128 with 32 seeds.


#17 to #32 cannot meet the top 16 before the 3rd Round. Similarly, the Top 8 cannot meet the next 8 before the round of 16 (R4)....same as other slams.

The seeding advantage is gained by moving from #17 to #16, #9 to #8, etc.

I'm not sure he was asking that question mate. I think he was asking why none of the top guys can be drawn to play Raonic in R3.

 

[Bendex]

Yes, one of these unfortunate people is going to be ambushed by Tomic early on.

 

[merlinpinpin]

Still don't like the 32 seeds thingy. It was much better when there were only 16 seeds, in my opinion. 32 out of 128 really feels like some serious overkill--I mean, why not have 128 seeds and have done with it? :-?

These were the days when the top players could draw a top 20 in the first round of a slam...

 

[bluetrain4]

Seeds 1-8 are drawn against seeds 25-32 in R3
Seeds 9-16 are drawn against 17-24 in R3

Seeds 1-8 are drawn against seeds 9-16 in R4

Seeds 1-4 are drawn against seeds 5-8 in the QFs

Seeds 3-4 are drawn against seeds 1 and 2 in the SFs

Seed 1 goes on the top line of the draw, seed 2 goes at line 128 of the draw.

It actually gets drawn in the opposite order to the way I have written it i.e. Seed 1 goes on to line 1, then seed 2 goes on to line 128 etc.

Haven't the Slams, short of "pure" stringent seeding (1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, 3 vs. 14), gotten a little more specific in seeding?

I remember when I was watching tennis in the 80s and 90s, in the Round of 16, 1-8 were drawn against 9-16, and any matchup was possible. Thus, No. 1 could play No. 9.

But now, don't at least some of the Slams break down the rounds even more, so that in the Round of 16, Seeds 1-4 are drawn against 13-16, and seeds 5-8 are drawn against 9-12. Thus, there are still some different possiblities with the draw, but not as much as before.

Similarly, for example, in the third round, when the Slams first moved to 32 seeds, 1-16 were drawn against 17-32, and, again, any matchup was a possiblity, including 1 vs. 17 in the third round.

But, now, at least at some of the Slams, it's been broken down further, into groups of 4 (Seeds 1-4 v. 29-32, 5-8 v. 25-28, 8-12 v. 21-24, and 13-16 v. 17-20), or at least groups of 8 (Seeds 1-8 v. 25-32, 9-16 v. 17-24).

And, finally, are the QFS, still 1-4, drawn against 5-8, with any matchup possible, or is it 1-2 v. 7-8 and 3-4 v. 5-6?

I know it's not uniform for all the Slams (I think), but I've definitely seen a tigtening up of the draw at some of them.

 

[woodrow1029]

http://beta.itftennis.com/media/64108/64108.pdf

Page 25-26 gives you the exact groupings for drawing seeds and what lines they are placed on for all draw sizes.

 

[Moose Malloy]

Haven't the Slams, short of "pure" stringent seeding (1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, 3 vs. 14), gotten a little more specific in seeding?

I remember when I was watching tennis in the 80s and 90s, in the Round of 16, 1-8 were drawn against 9-16, and any matchup was possible. Thus, No. 1 could play No. 9.

But now, don't at least some of the Slams break down the rounds even more, so that in the Round of 16, Seeds 1-4 are drawn against 13-16, and seeds 5-8 are drawn against 9-12. Thus, there are still some different possiblities with the draw, but not as much as before.

Similarly, for example, in the third round, when the Slams first moved to 32 seeds, 1-16 were drawn against 17-32, and, again, any matchup was a possiblity, including 1 vs. 17 in the third round.

But, now, at least at some of the Slams, it's been broken down further, into groups of 4 (Seeds 1-4 v. 29-32, 5-8 v. 25-28, 8-12 v. 21-24, and 13-16 v. 17-20), or at least groups of 8 (Seeds 1-8 v. 25-32, 9-16 v. 17-24).

And, finally, are the QFS, still 1-4, drawn against 5-8, with any matchup possible, or is it 1-2 v. 7-8 and 3-4 v. 5-6?

I know it's not uniform for all the Slams (I think), but I've definitely seen a tigtening up of the draw at some of them.

I think you're right. Top players today have it pretty easy compared to players of the past, why not just start giving them byes to the 2nd week? The early rounds are a joke & have been for quite some time. Can't believe commentators keep feeding us this 'the depth has never been better' garbage while the top 4 frequently bagel & breadstick their way to the 2nd week, while in the 70s/80s/90s there were far more competitive early round matches.

But I understand why, the majority of tennis fans love to see the same players over & over again reach the semis, finals, etc.
There will likely never be a change in the seeding system (nor will surfaces likely be tinkered with again)

 

[batz]

Haven't the Slams, short of "pure" stringent seeding (1 vs. 16, 2 vs. 15, 3 vs. 14), gotten a little more specific in seeding?

I remember when I was watching tennis in the 80s and 90s, in the Round of 16, 1-8 were drawn against 9-16, and any matchup was possible. Thus, No. 1 could play No. 9.

But now, don't at least some of the Slams break down the rounds even more, so that in the Round of 16, Seeds 1-4 are drawn against 13-16, and seeds 5-8 are drawn against 9-12. Thus, there are still some different possiblities with the draw, but not as much as before.

Similarly, for example, in the third round, when the Slams first moved to 32 seeds, 1-16 were drawn against 17-32, and, again, any matchup was a possiblity, including 1 vs. 17 in the third round.

But, now, at least at some of the Slams, it's been broken down further, into groups of 4 (Seeds 1-4 v. 29-32, 5-8 v. 25-28, 8-12 v. 21-24, and 13-16 v. 17-20), or at least groups of 8 (Seeds 1-8 v. 25-32, 9-16 v. 17-24).

And, finally, are the QFS, still 1-4, drawn against 5-8, with any matchup possible, or is it 1-2 v. 7-8 and 3-4 v. 5-6?

I know it's not uniform for all the Slams (I think), but I've definitely seen a tigtening up of the draw at some of them.

Hi mate - all slam draws are done on the same basis - see below:

http://beta.itftennis.com/media/64108/64108.pdf

You are right about the subdivisions above e.g. seeds 1-4 are drawn to face 13-16 in R4 - I didn't include them for the purposes of simplicity.

QFs are drawn - top 4 can be drawn to face anyone from 5-8.

 

[bluetrain4]

Hi mate - all slam draws are done on the same basis - see below:

http://beta.itftennis.com/media/64108/64108.pdf

You are right about the subdivisions above e.g. seeds 1-4 are drawn to face 13-16 in R4 - I didn't include them for the purposes of simplicity.

QFs are drawn - top 4 can be drawn to face anyone from 5-8.

Okay, and based on the link, it looks like the third round is broken down based on groups of 8 (1-8 vs. 25-32; 9-16 vs. 17-24) and not groups of 4, which I thought might be the case.

And, I guess there is no variation from Slam to Slam.

Good to know about the QFs. 1 still being able to draw 5 in the QF is a big deal if you have someone like Delpo or Murray or Tsonga at 5.

 

[Tammo]

So Raonic will play an 8-12 seed?



On another note did TTW just get spamed?

 

[Moose Malloy]

You are right about the subdivisions above e.g. seeds 1-4 are drawn to face 13-16 in R4

That wasn't the case in the 80s/90s. #1 could(& sometimes did) get #9 in the round of 16. Wonder when it changed.

Good to know about the QFs. 1 still being able to draw 5 in the QF is a big deal if you have someone like Delpo or Murray or Tsonga at 5.

I wonder when the last time a top 4 player drew #5 in the qf's though.

 

[batz]

So Raonic will play an 8-12 seed?



On another note did TTW just get spamed?

Sorry no - he'll be drawn to play someone ranked 9-16 in R3. Yes, the board is under spam attack.

 

[batz]

That wasn't the case in the 80s/90s. #1 could(& sometimes did) get #9 in the round of 16. Wonder when it changed.



I wonder when the last time a top 4 player drew #5 in the qf's though.

Someone from the top 4 always draws number 5 in the QFs

 

[bluetrain4]

Someone from the top 4 always draws number 5 in the QFs

I think he means that lately the No. 5 seed often hasn't reached the QFs, thus a top 4 seed hasn't actually had to play the No. 5 seed, even though technically they were drawn to play the No. 5 seed.

 

[Rock Strongo]

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[batz]

I think he means that lately the No. 5 seed often hasn't reached the QFs, thus a top 4 seed hasn't actually had to play the No. 5 seed, even though technically they were drawn to play the No. 5 seed.

Apologies - I think I get it now.

I suppose the last time it happened was AO 2010 (Rafa v Murray).

 

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[jones101]

The early rounds are a joke & have been for quite some time. Can't believe commentators keep feeding us this 'the depth has never been better' garbage while the top 4 frequently bagel & breadstick their way to the 2nd week, while in the 70s/80s/90s there were far more competitive early round matches.

Off the top of my head, I can think of these recent early round matches which were not 'jokes', all R32 or before, since 2008:

Federer/Acasuso FO
Federer/Bozojlac WO
Federer/Tipsy AO
Federer/Falla W
Nadal/Isner FO
Nadal/Hasse W
Nadal/Petzchner W
Nadal/Gabashvilli USO
Djokovic/Whitten USO
Djokovic/Rochus W
Djokovic/Troicki USO
Murray/Melzer USO
Murray/Gasquet USO
Murray/Wawrinka USO
Murray/Hasse USO

Hardy joke early matches.