Are midsize rackets extinct (except for on this board)?

[nickb]

I can’t remember the last time I saw a decent player using a midsize racket. I play all over the place in the UK, go to futures tournaments, play high level junior events and coach at a very big tennis club yet still no mids are to be seen.

I have seen beginners using K90's yes but that doesn’t count. They don’t know anything about rackets. They bought it because Federer uses it.

Here is a typical days stringing for me. 4 of the rackets owners play at 5.5 level using sub 320 gram rackets. 1 of the rackets belongs to a 4.5/5.0 player and the rest 3.5 and below players. I cant remember the last time I
strung a midsize racket...I think I strung 2 a year ago. That’s it.



I really like midsize rackets and dont want to see them go. But personally I don’t find them suitable for my game (well..todays game).

However it seems nearly half the posters that visit this board use midsize rackets! I don’t understand :-?

So I ask this question:

Are midsize rackets extinct (except for on this board)?

Discuss.


Nick

 

[markwillplay]

I think people just gravitate towards the times because they assume that whatever others are "currently" playing with must be right for the game. Especially whatever the younger folks are playing with. I know when I started back, I looked at all the sticks people on the court were playing with. It took me a while to figure out that there was not a huge advantage playing with lighter bigger powerful sticks against my competition (4.0-4.5).

Also, there is no doubt that when I play with a bigger headsize, I don't have to be as consistant. Take this with a grain of salt, but it seems that many of the newer tweener frames and powerful large frames are designed to make up for a lack of "work..effort" by the player. In other words, get the most power and the cleanest strike the easierst way. Not that there is anything wrong with that at all (as I said, that is probably why Ilike my POG's so much) but while I am in good enough shape to work hard when I play, I will choose sticks that allow me to do that. Even the oversize stick I play with some times is fairly low powered and I also recognize that it does not volley near as well as my old max 200G when I am really on my game. On the most positive note, I suppose that the bigger headsizes do let more people improve quicker so they stay interested in the game,....but I am not sure about that because I don't teach lessons.

 

[origmarm]

I see the odd decent player using K90s or Prestige Mids. I've seen one guy with an RDS001 Mid. You're right though, they are few and far between. I think you see more of them in the US, also amongst the older players probably you see more.

I don't see any decent juniors using it. Effectively for me that means it's on the way out

 

[nickb]

I think people just gravitate towards the times because they assume that whatever others are "currently" playing with must be right for the game. Especially whatever the younger folks are playing with. I know when I started back, I looked at all the sticks people on the court were playing with. It took me a while to figure out that there was not a huge advantage playing with lighter bigger powerful sticks against my competition (4.0-4.5).

Also, and take this witha grain of salt, but it seems that many of the newer tweener frames and powerful frames are designed to make up for a lack of "work..effort" by the player. Inother words, get the most power, the easierst way. Not that there is anything wrong with that but while I am in good enough shape to work hard when I play, I will choose sticks that allow me to do that. Even the oversize stick I play with some times is fairly low powered and I also recognize that it does not volley near as well as my old max 200G when I am really on my game.

Nice post mark.

I think most people use lighter more powerful rackets these days because the game is hard enough already. With such a gap between professional players and the rest of the tennis population why use a midsize racket to make things even harder?

Also extreme grips and 2 handed backhands play a big part. As im sure you know they dont work *as well* for most players with a midsize stick.

However I can understand players with less extreme grips enjoying and playing their best tennis with midsize rackets. But I think even those players are moving towards MP rackets.

 

[nickb]

I see the odd decent player using K90s or Prestige Mids. I've seen one guy with an RDS001 Mid. You're right though, they are few and far between. I think you see more of them in the US, also amongst the older players probably you see more.

I don't see any decent juniors using it. Effectively for me that means it's on the way out

Yep...I always laugh when I turn up at a tournament because ive got the heaviest racket there (and mines really not that heavy).

Nick

 

[montx]

By no means, I use as an alternate Djokovic's 93 KBlade KTour and I am using also the Boris Becker 11 Mid and Mid plus.

I have found that the Mid gives specific advantages when serving and with flat ground strokes, the midplus is nicer for returns because of the generous sweetspot.

Mid size rackets are better for flat serves, flat groundstrokes and maneuverability at the net, that is a decent set of advantages.

The shortchanges are smaller sweetspots and less string bed to roll the ball for spin.

The forgiveness of larger racquets are a plus but this is usually offset by less efficient swingspeeds.

Overall it depends on what works for YOU, you must work with trial and error what you want out of your racquet.

 

[bad_call]

midsize extinct? not yet but definitely in the minority. see but a few in skilled hands. too much thought on this and not enough time to type it out. :neutral:

 

[nickb]

midsize extinct? not yet but definitely in the minority. see but a few in skilled hands. too much thought on this and not enough time to type it out. :neutral:

I didnt mean to offend mid users (e.g YOU)...funny I see the opposite...most mid's are in un-skilled hands. I gave it about 5 minutes thought this morning...if your not going to say anything useful then why even bother posting?

 

[rooski]

Not too many mids around here either. I've seen a handful of 4.5+ players using true mids (93 or smaller) in this tennis crazy town (massive USTA league presence). A few Prestige mids and a Volkl mid here and there but that's about it. There are still plenty of people however that continue to play with 95" Wilsons.

At lower levels there are a couple of old farts (60+) using PS6085's but they can get by with using this racket because they only play other old farts that can't hit the ball that hard. They sort of push it around.

The mid's are indeed an endangered species.

 

[bertrevert]

The two hottest players at the club I train at tee off aginast each other using LM Instinct (he was using the MG Instinct tongiht) versus a Babolat Pure Drive.

The Instinct camps on the baseline while the PD serves and volleys a lot.

They clean up in district competitions these two, and they'd wipe the court with many a player no doubt.

So that is the most successful local players I see. Otherwise, I see a few Prestige MIDs and they don't clean up no sorry they don't.

I've seen some complete failures with the Fed sticks over the years (going right back to his Hyper-whatever earlier ones) and it just pains me to describe how their games break down so readily in any rally.

Socially, I enjoy a 25 year old Dunlop Black Max 360gram 90 in. head - BUT I really do know that I wouldn't want to carry that into battle at all.

And yet the MIDs are lionized here...

 

[nickb]

The two hottest players at the club I train at tee off aginast each other using LM Instinct (he was using the MG Instinct tongiht) versus a Babolat Pure Drive.

The Instinct camps on the baseline while the PD serves and volleys a lot.

They clean up in district competitions these two, and they'd wipe the court with many a player no doubt.

So that is the most successful local players I see. Otherwise, I see a few Prestige MIDs and they don't clean up no sorry they don't.

I've seen some complete failures with the Fed sticks over the years (going right back to his Hyper-whatever earlier ones) and it just pains me to describe how their games break down so readily in any rally.

Socially, I enjoy a 25 year old Dunlop Black Max 360gram 90 in. head - BUT I really do know that I wouldn't want to carry that into battle at all.

And yet the MIDs are lionized here...

Thats similar to my club..

The two hottest players at my club (both coaches)..use a Nsix-one Team (289 unstrung) and a babolat Z Lite something (265g unstrung)...both are ex ATP players. They also would wipe the floor with most players.

Funny that..

Nick

 

[tennis_guy]

How can you afford so many different rackets, stringing for people, travelling playing tennis? Not fair!!

 

[nickb]

How can you afford so many different rackets, stringing for people, travelling playing tennis? Not fair!!

Well im only 18...soon I will have to get a full time job (coaching)...until then its fun and more fun

Nick

 

[PROTENNIS63]

These days it is getting more about spin and technique is not as "classical" as it was before. Look at Nadal. With his forehand technique, he won't be able to hit that type of heavy ball with a midsize stick.

 

[bertrevert]

Z Lite! Oh yer... heh heh

The play here in my area is predominantly on artificial grass.

You would think that the mere mention of grass means it would be all s&v, and that the MIDs would rule.

However I'd better say agin it's artificial - a surface oddity that's not that fast, as it has a rubber underlay and is covered in compacted sand. Net rushers get passed no problems.

While a MID in the right hands can blend good offence/defence on this surface most cannot. The get sucked into the net too early or simply lack pop on the baseline. The skidding lower ball can bring out too much slice as well. Which isn't going to cut it when being pounded by a tweenr the other end.

Personally, speaking as an old(er) fart it's usually some kid who's going to consistantly pound away waiting for errors. I've tried MIDs and I know I need at least 95s to stay on the same page...

Afraid the MID is a toothless dinosaur...


PS. cool collection Nick.

 

[Pro Staff Pete]

The best players at my local club (30-40 yrs old!) started playing in the 80s with wooden racquets or the PS 6.0/Prince Approach. They never really switched to larger headsizes (probably because many of them played either S/V or very agressive on our artificial grass courts) and even today they are still playing with the RDS001, K90 or T90. However the new generation hardly uses midsize racquets anymore. I think it's a shame aswell. Thing is, though.. that you need some technique and experience to use these kind of racquets. I basically never see any youth players using midsize racquets. Babolats are very popular here aswell as Head (95 sq.inch +).

 

[nickb]

Z Lite! Oh yer... heh heh

The play here in my area is predominantly on artificial grass.

You would think that the mere mention of grass means it would be all s&v, and that the MIDs would rule.

However I'd better say agin it's artificial - a surface oddity that's not that fast, as it has a rubber underlay and is covered in compacted sand. Net rushers get passed no problems.

While a MID in the right hands can blend good offence/defence on this surface most cannot. The get sucked into the net too early or simply lack pop on the baseline. The skidding lower ball can bring out too much slice as well. Which isn't going to cut it when being pounded by a tweenr the other end.

Personally, speaking as an old(er) fart it's usually some kid who's going to consistantly pound away waiting for errors. I've tried MIDs and I know I need at least 95s to stay on the same page...

Afraid the MID is a toothless dinosaur...


PS. cool collection Nick.

Yeah artificial grass is pretty slow!...even more so after the warm up because it fluffs up the balls.

Thats why I dont use a mid...the lack of power and pop. In a tight match I just end up hitting short balls for my opponent to smack away.

My current rackets is not light (12.8 oz)...but that extra headsize gives me that extra zip to keep the ball deep.

Nick

 

[nickb]

Thing is, though.. that you need some technique and experience to use these kind of racquets.

Then why are the top players on tour generally not picking mids?

Nick

 

[tennis_guy]

Well im only 18...soon I will have to get a full time job (coaching)...until then its fun and more fun

Nick

Does coaching really pay that much here? I had one coach for a while who I now think does it full time.. travelling to clubs doing group coaching I presume, lot of travelling. How many qualifications do you have to do?

 

[nickb]

Does coaching really pay that much here? I had one coach for a while who I now think does it full time.. travelling to clubs doing group coaching I presume, lot of travelling. How many qualifications do you have to do?

Hi,

I work part-time at a David Lloyd Club now...I need to do my LTA Development Coach Award to work there full time. We have around 10 full time coaches..the rackets manager position (which I want ) pays very well.

I'm also going to to the USPTR course...I have a chance to coach over in New Zealand where my friends live so cant pass on that opportunity.

Where abouts in the UK are you?

Nick

 

[tennis_guy]

Hi,

I work part-time at a David Lloyd Club now...I need to do my LTA Development Coach Award to work there full time. We have around 10 full time coaches..the rackets manager position (which I want ) pays very well.

I'm also going to to the USPTR course...I have a chance to coach over in New Zealand where my friends live so cant pass on that opportunity.

Where abouts in the UK are you?

Nick

Hey,

I'm in the Manchester area. I've just re-registered on here (sold you the Mfil a while back).

All sounds great! There's a david lloyds near to me but I can't afford £600+ being a student. It's really disappointing because all I want to do is play tennis but their fees include everything which I won't even use. How much do the qualifications cost/duration etc? Do you have to be a certain level? I'd like to do something like this on the side in the future but I don't have any idea about it.

Sorry for hijacking the thread lol

 

[Pro Staff Pete]

Then why are the top players on tour generally not picking mids?

Nick

Good one. :shock:

Anyone have any ideas?

 

[bluetrain4]

I don't see a lot of mids, but there are a ton of players where I live who use 95 sq inch racquets, which is right over the mid threshold.

 

[fuzz nation]

I think that a lot of hitters who are raised in the modern mode of stroke production are probably more comfortable turning out big pace and heavy spin on a consistent basis with a larger head. It used to be that a stroke would carry a heavier dose of one or the other, but the newer angular stroke styles can deliver both at the same time. It's easy for me to see how players would want a healthy sized stringbed for that type of hitting.

Interestingly enough in Rhode Island, the best high school players around lately have had what I think of as the complete game - they can hit a variety of shots from the baseline and also move forward very effectively. A few of them have used mids, but I have no idea what brought them to that choice of gear aside from some trial and error.

The companies are in it for the bottom line and they know where the dollars are these days, but I'm an optimist. As long as there's a limited demand for the mids, I'll bet we'll still have a limited supply of them available. I also think that the pro's have to use whatever they can to get the results that they need, regardless of what may be more fun or amusing for them to hit with. They've gotta eat! My bedroom slippers are reeeeally comfy, but I can't wear them for a match. Then again...

 

[bcast66]

Then why are the top players on tour generally not picking mids?

Nick

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LOL..... most of them use pjs that are 90s below. and their is like 6 players in top 15 that use mids

 

[rocket]

Good one. :shock:

Anyone have any ideas?

Djokovic switched from a 98 sq.in to the Kblade Tour, a 93 sq.in. You punch through the back fence with a mid - I did, Jolly Rogers on these boards did, and I'm sure Craig A.C. did too, to name a few. At pro level, one of Sampras' serves went right through Rafter's stringbed, breaking couple of mains & a couple of crosses.

I know this sounds illogical, midpluses are usually more powerful, but not in my case. I guess since mids are so low powered, one has to put the whole body into the shot, resulting in a heavy, heavy ball. I just like the heft of a mid; once you get it going, man, it's going.

And yeah, a good # of advanced players in my area use mids: POG,PC600, LM & fxp Prestiges, Yonex, Wilson Tour 90, etc.

 

[nickb]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LOL..... most of them use pjs that are 90s below. and their is like 6 players in top 15 that use mids

What the...:shock:

Here we go (ATP Top 15):

Federer, Roger (SUI) - MID

Nadal, Rafael (ESP) - MID PLUS

Djokovic, Novak (SRB) - MID PLUS

Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS) - MID PLUS

Ferrer, David (ESP) - MID PLUS

Roddick, Andy (USA)- MID PLUS

Nalbandian, David (ARG)- MID PLUS

Blake, James (USA) - MID PLUS

Berdych, Tomas (CZE) - MID PLUS

Gasquet, Richard (FRA) - MID PLUS

Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS) - MID PLUS

Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA)- MID PLUS

Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried (FRA)- MID PLUS

Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP)- MID PLUS

Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI) - MID PLUS

So thats 1 midsize user!

Try harder next time.

Nick

 

[nickb]

Djokovic switched from a 98 sq.in to the Kblade Tour, a 93 sq.in. You punch through the back fence with a mid - I did, Jolly Rogers on these boards did, and I'm sure Craig A.C. did too, to name a few. At pro level, one of Sampras' serves went right through Rafter's stringbed, breaking couple of mains & a couple of crosses.

I know this sounds illogical, midpluses are usually more powerful, but not in my case. I guess since mids are so low powered, one has to put the whole body into the shot, resulting in a heavy, heavy ball. I just like the heft of a mid; once you get it going, man, it's going.

And yeah, a good # of advanced players in my area use mids: POG,PC600, LM & fxp Prestiges, Yonex, Wilson Tour 90, etc.

Djokovic has a paintjob...his racket is a mid plus.

 

[nickb]

Hey,

I'm in the Manchester area. I've just re-registered on here (sold you the Mfil a while back).

All sounds great! There's a david lloyds near to me but I can't afford £600+ being a student. It's really disappointing because all I want to do is play tennis but their fees include everything which I won't even use. How much do the qualifications cost/duration etc? Do you have to be a certain level? I'd like to do something like this on the side in the future but I don't have any idea about it.

Sorry for hijacking the thread lol

Oh..why did you re-register?!

I only play there because I get free membership (well I have to do 2 hours for it!).

David Lloyd will pay for all my qualifications. I think you have to be at least an LTA 8.2 rating but that doesnt really matter. I know really good players that have failed both...its all about your coaching not playing standard.

If you come over to leeds some time (or if im in manchester) we can hit just send me an email.

Nick

 

[haerdalis]

Top players are not going to radically change their gear. If they started out with a pure drive they'll play with a pure drive (modified?). Not many juniors these days start out with a mid, however at my club one of the top juniors, actually the nationwide champ in his agegroup is using a mid.
One question that relates to this subject that I found interesting is when do top players start modifying their gear? I mean there are no stock pure drives on tour, but there is plenty of them in the hands of really good players at slightly lower levels.

 

[rocket]

Djokovic has a paintjob...his racket is a mid plus.

If you look at his stick in 2007 & 2008, you'll see that the '08 version is a lot thinner & smaller. I think it is a mid & not just a pj of what he's always used. One can pj a 98 sq.in to look like another 98 sq.in, but not a 98 to a 93.

 

[nickb]

I mean there are no stock pure drives on tour, but there is plenty of them in the hands of really good players at slightly lower levels.

I think they would gradually make them heavier as they progress from teh juniors. As their strokes and fitness levels get better they will add more lead.

Nick

 

[nickb]

If you look at his stick in 2007 & 2008, you'll see that the '08 version is a lot thinner & smaller. I think it is a mid & not just a pj of what he's always used. One can pj a 98 sq.in to look like another 98 sq.in, but not a 98 to a 93.

Its a paintjob...do a seach.

 

[haerdalis]

I think they would gradually make them heavier as they progress from teh juniors. As their strokes and fitness levels get better they will add more lead.

Nick

That has not been the case here at least. Here is in Sweden. Maybe thats why we are falling behind hehe.

 

[bad_call]

I didnt mean to offend mid users (e.g YOU)...funny I see the opposite...most mid's are in un-skilled hands. I gave it about 5 minutes thought this morning...if your not going to say anything useful then why even bother posting?

not offended in the least. players (skilled or not) play with whatever strikes their fancy. not to offend unskilled players but i generally dont pay attention to what racquet unskilled players use. i DO notice what the skilled players are using and the majority dont use mids.

being an old school player upgrading to a mid suits my game. that being said, i think the racquet used by Davydenko for the SE is an interesting mid+.

 

[rocket]

Its a paintjob...do a seach.

Check out the AO '08 final. Tsonga uses the Kblade midplus, Djokovic the Tour version. The racquet headsizes of the two look vastly diffferent, on the same court, at the same time.

 

[bcast66]

What the...:shock:

Here we go (ATP Top 15):

Federer, Roger (SUI) - MID

Nadal, Rafael (ESP) - MID PLUS

Djokovic, Novak (SRB) - MID PLUS

Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS) - MID PLUS

Ferrer, David (ESP) - MID PLUS

Roddick, Andy (USA)- MID PLUS

Nalbandian, David (ARG)- MID PLUS

Blake, James (USA) - MID PLUS

Berdych, Tomas (CZE) - MID PLUS

Gasquet, Richard (FRA) - MID PLUS

Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS) - MID PLUS

Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA)- MID PLUS

Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried (FRA)- MID PLUS

Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP)- MID PLUS

Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI) - MID PLUS

So thats 1 midsize user!

Try harder next time.

Nick

im not even going to bother with you, single minded child.

 

[roddick89]

I think mid size rackets are quite a rare sight nowadays, i'm in the UK and play at a David Loyd club in Manchester which has sme reall good players around the equivalent of 5.0-5.5 and the smallest head size i've seen is 93'', which is the guys stick who i hit with cos hes just bought a Microgel Prestige Mid, and ive never even seen a pro staff 85 apart from te photos on this forum, its a shame but maybe they just don't do the job anymore with the way people play these days, bashing from the back of the court just like the majority of the pros.

 

[VGP]

What the...:shock:

Here we go (ATP Top 15):

Federer, Roger (SUI) - MID

Nadal, Rafael (ESP) - MID PLUS

Djokovic, Novak (SRB) - MID PLUS

Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS) - MID PLUS

Ferrer, David (ESP) - MID PLUS

Roddick, Andy (USA)- MID PLUS

Nalbandian, David (ARG)- MID PLUS

Blake, James (USA) - MID PLUS

Berdych, Tomas (CZE) - MID PLUS

Gasquet, Richard (FRA) - MID PLUS

Youzhny, Mikhail (RUS) - MID PLUS

Mathieu, Paul-Henri (FRA)- MID PLUS

Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried (FRA)- MID PLUS

Baghdatis, Marcos (CYP)- MID PLUS

Gonzalez, Fernando (CHI) - MID PLUS

So thats 1 midsize user!

Try harder next time.

Nick

To be fair, it's two.

Berdych uses a mid.

 

[bcast66]

To be fair, it's two.

Berdych uses a mid.

so does mathieu and some others COUGH!!! COUGH!!!!1

 

[drakulie]

Mid users are definitely in the minority. I disagree with you by the way, that on these boards there are many mid users. (Perhaps a poll is in order).

Anyway, although mids are definitely in the minority, where I live, I still see a lot of mid users. For Instance, at the Solomon Academy, there are a few top juniors who use mids (K90 and Flexpoint Prestige).

Bobby Riggs grandson (14?? years old) who also plays at the club is using a Kblade Tour. (Kid is awesome by the way.)

At the national tourneys played at my club, I saw a lot of mid users.

The Head Pro at the club uses a Microgel Prestige Mid.

At the Sony Ericsson, Sup2Dresq and I were very surprised at how many players and coaches/hitting partners we saw who were hitting with mids.

 

[southpaw]

Here is a typical days stringing for me. 4 of the rackets owners play at 5.5 level using sub 320 gram rackets.

I find that odd. I am not saying I don't believe it, just seems light for such an advanced level. There are exceptions that prove the rule, but the average pro racquet is headlight, has a swingweight over 325, and weighs more than 12 oz. If lighter racquets are better, wouldn't you see more on tour?

 

[sureshs]

I find that odd. I am not saying I don't believe it, just seems light for such an advanced level. There are exceptions that prove the rule, but the average pro racquet is headlight, has a swingweight over 325, and weighs more than 12 oz. If lighter racquets are better, wouldn't you see more on tour?

5.5 players are not at the pro level. It could be that they are older players who prefer lighter racquets these days. I know a couple of good older players who are like that. It also depends on whether they mostly play down or up. If they struggle to find 5.5 opponents, they may adopt a lighter racquet which is sufficient to destroy lower opponents.

But yes I would also expect them to play with a strung 12 oz at least.

 

[nickb]

Loads of decent players use light rackets...look at the female pro's...they would beat us...their rackets are mostly around 300g unstrung.

I wouldnt lie about rackets on the internet...that would just be sad.

Nick

 

[snoopy]

As long as people use some sort of poly that produces good control and spin, it's too easy to get passed at net. So people will play mostly a baseline game. If you're playing from the baseline a midplus head size usually helps most people.

As long as people use powerful, stiffer frames the ball will fly fast, especially on hard courts (far and away the dominant surface in the US). So if the balls are moving fast you are better off using a lighter (I'm not giving a number just saying lighter than the average in the past) and therefore more mobile frame.

The causes aren't as linear as described above. But I think that is pretty much the story at the intermediate to advanced (not pro) level.

It's elemenatry Watson.

 

[nickb]

I find that odd. I am not saying I don't believe it, just seems light for such an advanced level. There are exceptions that prove the rule, but the average pro racquet is headlight, has a swingweight over 325, and weighs more than 12 oz. If lighter racquets are better, wouldn't you see more on tour?

Im not saying lighter rackets are better...no racket is "best".

This is about midsize rackets...

Nick

 

[nickb]

Mid users are definitely in the minority. I disagree with you by the way, that on these boards there are many mid users. (Perhaps a poll is in order).

Anyway, although mids are definitely in the minority, where I live, I still see a lot of mid users. For Instance, at the Solomon Academy, there are a few top juniors who use mids (K90 and Flexpoint Prestige).

Bobby Riggs grandson (14?? years old) who also plays at the club is using a Kblade Tour. (Kid is awesome by the way.)

At the national tourneys played at my club, I saw a lot of mid users.

The Head Pro at the club uses a Microgel Prestige Mid.

At the Sony Ericsson, Sup2Dresq and I were very surprised at how many players and coaches/hitting partners we saw who were hitting with mids.

Well there must be more mid users over in the US.

I can go months of playing tournaments and not see a mid..

Nick

 

[nickb]

im not even going to bother with you, single minded child.

Why because I proved you wrong? :roll:

 

[drakulie]

Well there must be more mid users over in the US.

I can go months of playing tournaments and not see a mid..

Nick

Oh, I agree with you that they are much rarer than the OS or MidPlus users, but I still see quite a few playing with them (from old farts to young kids).

But like I said, sup2dresq and I were surprised to see so many players, coaches, and hitting partners using mids at the Sony. Again, not nerely as much as MidPlus or OS frames, but they are still out there.

 

[nickb]

To be fair, it's two.

Berdych uses a mid.

See this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=81110&highlight=thomas+berdych+specs

He uses a 95.