Ashaway Crossfire II vs Luxilon ALU Power - best bite? no contest!

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
I finally decided to give Luxilon another chance and tested it at various tensions.

I compared it against my current string, Ashaway Crossfire II, in my SW2 NXG OS, at various string tensions (52, 62, and 67 lbs).

At all 3 tensions, the power level was comparable, but the spin potential, bite, and control were far better with the Kevlar hybrid.

And what I really don't like about the Luxilon is that the ball response is spinnier in the center of the stringbed compared to if you hit it high or low on the stringbed. In comparison, the Kevlar hybrid seems to give the same amount of bite across the entire stringbed.

My question is: why are all the pros using Luxilon? Yes it has better bite than synthetic gut, but it seems to me that it can't hold a candle to a good Kevlar hybrid as far as bite and control go.

The better question is: why aren't more pros using Kevlar hybrids?

Is it just that most pros haven't tried it and so they don't know what they are missing?
 

muggy

Rookie
Didn't Agassi use Kevlar hybrid?

I would venture to guess that most pros are more used to or like the feel in the poly's they use more, it became popular thru the clay courters, no?

In my experience I have felt that kevlar is stiffer than most poly's, and poly's today are getting better pop and feel. If you compare a full kevlar to a full poly you can clearly see the separation between the two, although hybrid jobs could be close.

Kevlar's also seem to go dead to me faster, in that they become more boardy quicker. Don't know if that would matter to a pro with a full racquet bag, but it could. I think if you look at Agassi's success using kevlar, it's tough to argue that it isn't a good string.

Maybe it's just not preferred by many, and maybe not enough pro players are accustomed to using it.
 

!Tym

Hall of Fame
Actually, I tend to agree with you. Poly definitely does not provide as consistent a string bed as kevlar, and for bite? An 18g kevlar or Forten Kevlar Gear 17L put the smack down on poly. Literally, they just rip the shred off the ball. In fact, so much so that it can get annoying. When I'm hitting all out on my topspin forehand, often times, I literally find fuzz from the ball flying in my face...no joke. In conclusion, that is why the pros don't use kevlar? Because it ruins their after match smile.

No, actually, it's because the pros in my opinion, pound for pound, will hit the sweet spot more often than your average joe. Because of that they aren't as subject to the string inconsistencies of poly as the average person. Even more so than that, poly is simply easier on the arm. I won't say better feel necessarily, they both have their charm, and I actually think kevlar has a nice feel in its own unique way, a very fibrous and organic response for me that I like. However, the big difference for me at least, is that I find kevlar can sometimes send a noticeably more jarring response up my elbow, it feels like someone just sent a sharp, long, thin needle up my elbow veins and hit ye old funny bone making me curse out loud and swear I'll never go this route again.

But, with that said, it's hard to argue with the results. I really think if you hit a lot, it's best to string kevlar very low as a result. The great thing about kevlar for me is that the properties are much the same at every tension, wheras poly verys wildly. Strung loose, poly gives me an unsure feel, slipperly like an eel on my bad days, and I'll start spraying balls. Strung tight, poly too can begin to feel board like and jar the arm. Overall, I would say that Luxilon Timo 18g is the closest too feeling like kevlar for me. It's a great string, but really don't get what it has that kevlar doesn't. To me, they provide the same thing and everyone talks about how great for control that stuff is. I.e. Both are very predictable strings that if not careful with the tension can jar the tendons. However, in terms of price timo is like twice the cost.

My problem with Ashaway Crossfire is that while it is unquestionably the best feeling kevlar, and by far the easiest on the arm, I don't find it as durable as a non-braided kevlar. In terms of 18g kevlars, I think I'd struggle to keep Ashaway Crossfire from breaking on me within the first 30 minutes to hour. But 18g non-braided kevlar, I don't doubt that it would last me alright.

Feel and ease on arm, though, no question, Ashaway Crossfire is the best choice among kevlars, and as long as you don't use their 18g version; it'll last you more than long enough.

As for the pros, getting back on topic for a second here, I think a lot of them are copy cat pros. It's just become the trendy thing to do. If a few people start calling poly the gospel, then everyone starts to too. I've always thought though that gee, what does this do (regarding polys) that my old kevlar hybrids don't? In reality, nothing. Objectively speaking I know that. The only two things are better comfort and pop, and also maybe a few more style points.

And ultimately, I think it really does boil down to just those three things. Poly is like ice cream being extruded from a frozen yogurt machine, it comes in all kinds of colors and flavors and slight differences. Kevlar on the other hand is pretty much kevlar for the most part. Playing with that makes you feel like you're married to your work and going to work for the man. It's drab and oppressive to look at it's royal browness for extended periods of time, as you find that month after month, it just keeps on unraveling and unraveling, but never breaks!!! It can be maddening.

(but that's just my own personal bias)

In terms of actual performance though, I think it just comes down to comfort and pop. At lower tensions especially, poly can give quite a bit of pop AND spin. I just think the pros are good enough about hitting the sweetspot to feel like they can bring the ball back down into the court AND they still get the "big bang" benefits, pardon the pun. Poly in other words is a more dynamic performer. Add to it, that it's much easier on the arm over the long haul, I think you have your answer (i.e. for me at least, I'd always break into really bad tennis eblow if I used kevlar for an extended period of time, despite playing really and confidently with it...so it was always a trade off).

Also, at higher tensions, this effect becomes magnified. There are a lot of pros who simply prefer the feel of a boardy string bed. For these guys, kevlar would be too harsh I think over the long haul so they hybrid it with gut in the crosses, and string tight, and wala you get a great popping sound and resonse, a lot of liveliness, yet you also get very good control and predictability as well. It's a great compromise. For me, it's polys great ability to hybrid well with natural gut that makes it great. I really don't like the way it feels at lower tensions, but with gut in the crosses strung tight, it's simply awesome for me.

That said, I would never want to put gut in the crosses with kevlar. Gut's ridiculously expensive (to me at least, I remeber snapping $30 Pacific top of the line stuff, 16g, in 45 minutes in my Prestige Classic and screaming...ye-ouuuuch!!! the agony that hurts!!!) and I at least would be afraid to try gut in the crosses with kevlar. I feel like the kevlar would just grind into the delicate crosses of gut a lot faster than would poly.

With poly, usually, when you break early; it's because of a big mishit near the top of the head "snapping" the string. With kevlar, it reallys puts a sawing into the crosses. I either saw through the kevlar mains or the crosses when I break it. I find though, strangely enough, that my poly-gut hybrids last seem to last me a lot longer than when I just put synthetic guts in the crosses, weird. It's almost as though the little give of the gut, cuts down on the chances of the traumatic and sudden "snap" break when you mishit a hard ball near the top of the grommets with poly, but that's just something I've noticed with me.
 

WhiteSox05CA

Hall of Fame
Well I'm currently using Luxilon ALU Power on my RDX 500, and I have a packet of Ashaway Crossfire II on deck for my next string job.

How's the feel? Also, pro's probably don't need to worry about how the string plays on off-center hits too much.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Punisha,
I haven't tried Kevlar mains and poly crosses yet. But I think the reason that poly gives an uneven stringbed response is the sliding effect. The strings slide a longer distance in the middle of the stringbed. So I'm not that keen on continuing my experiment with Lux.

Tym,
Thanks for the detailed analysis.

I think I'll stick with my Ashaway Crossfire II 16g. I currently use 67 lbs in my oversize.

Some other things that I like about Kevlar:

1) The tension vs power curve is very linear (over the range from 54 to 80 lbs that I've tried), unlike poly's.

2) It tends to plateau after a few days of hitting and stay very consistent for a long time until it breaks.

I actually have one of my racquets (an SW2 PS 4.7 EB Stretch OS) strung with 19g Gamma Fusion at 67 lbs. Fusion would probably be my all time favorite string if it lasted a little longer. I might try it in my flexible NXG, since my strings seem to last quite long with this racquet.

Some other factoids:

Interesting, I've never broken a string in the middle of the stringbed on my NXG. Every time it has been at the 12 o'clock region, even though I've been tubing it with teflon tubing. Ashaway still lasts me a couple of months.

I used to use Problend 16g in my previous racquets, which is a bit stiffer and longer lasting than Ashaway. With Problend I would almost always break the cross-strings first.

I've found that I really like the feel of tighter Kevlar in flexible racquets. And I like the feel of a somewhat looser Kevlar in stiffer racquets. In the latter combo, I simply modify the weight distribution to temper the extra power on groundies.
 
When we see a topspin shot hit with kevlar come down quicker than one hit with fill-in-the-blank ....what are we seeing? Are we seeing kevlar's bite-laden spin bring it down quicker, or do kevlar struck balls not travel as far? I use Kevlar/Natural with heavy spin mechanics. The bite I get is a function of head speed and angle of attack. I use kevlar because I want the ball to travel less far -- but I don't see that "less far" as a function of kevlar's bite. I used to think I was getting more bite from Kevlar or Lux - and I used to think it was the bite that brought the ball down - until I got the same extreme spin from 15g Nylon in my Original 6.0 85. Then I realized that the kevlar brought the ball down quicker because kevlar has less power not because it has more bite. Bite doesn't cause topspin, mechanics do.

*there are those that think tension affects spin. There are also those that think luxilon (not poly pe se, but luxilon as a separate species) snaps back in such a way that enhances spin. Both of these thigns might be true, but I caution taking spin production too far away from mechanics.
 
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travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
When we see a topspin shot hit with kevlar come down quicker than one hit with fill-in-the-blank ....what are we seeing? Are we seeing kevlar's bite-laden spin bring it down quicker, or do kevlar struck balls not travel as far? I use Kevlar/Natural with heavy spin mechanics. The bite I get is a function of head speed and angle of attack. I use kevlar because I want the ball to travel less far -- but I don't see that "less far" as a function of kevlar's bite. I used to think I was getting more bite from Kevlar or Lux - and I used to think it was the bite that brought the ball down - until I got the same extreme spin from 15g Nylon in my Original 6.0 85. Then I realized that the kevlar brought the ball down quicker because kevlar has less power not because it has more bite. Bite doesn't cause topspin, mechanics do.

*there are those that think tension affects spin. There are also those that think luxilon (not poly pe se, but luxilon as a separate species) snaps back in such a way that enhances spin. Both of these thigns might be true, but I caution taking spin production too far away from mechanics.


I'm not talking about power level. I'm talking about bite. The relative bite of different stringjobs is easy to measure.

If you switch from one to the other, and your ball comes off your racquet at a higher angle than you want for the first few balls, causing you to hit long, that means that the string has more bite than the one you were using before the switch.

When I switch from poly or syn gut to Kevlar, my shots go long for the first 2 or 3 balls until I make the necessary adjustment of closing the racquet face more to compensate for the increased bite. And when I switch back to poly or syn gut, my first few shots hit the bottom of the net until I make the adjustment of opening the racquetface to compensate for the reduced bite.
 
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