Pablo1989
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Maybe it's for Christmas? Due to the celebrations, public holidays and so forth I feel tennis season has not started yet. It's a weird sensation.
ATP CUP isn't doing it for me.
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
One way of looking at the event is that it is the most serious event ever to have begun a season and it leads directly onto the first slam of the year.
It gives top players guaranteed matches, and from the quarters on the competition will be deadly serious and focused on one city with a newly renovated court.
A classic match or two over the final two days will alter the perception of the whole event.
It gives top players guaranteed matches, and from the quarters on the competition will be deadly serious and focused on one city with a newly renovated court.
A classic match or two over the final two days will alter the perception of the whole event.
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Disagree. There are points on offer, rivalry h2h counts, all players want to represent their nation and the fans can really get into it. Lots of soccer type atmosphere in the stands. This is just the 1st yr so if it finishes in dramatic fashion eg Nadal d Djoker 0-6 76 76 it could become a calendar highlight, something the players and fans look forward to start the yr with a bang.
Pandora Mikado
Semi-Pro
Have you seen Paradise Casino?
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
What a waste of time
FreeBird
Legend
I never had a TennisTV subscription. Got it today for a month. Some exciting matches.
Unlike laver cup, there are no fake celebrations and forced enthusiasm. Hated the format of Davis cup despite players caring for it. At ATP cup, so many big matches already and QF have not even started.
Unlike laver cup, there are no fake celebrations and forced enthusiasm. Hated the format of Davis cup despite players caring for it. At ATP cup, so many big matches already and QF have not even started.
Ummm...I was talking about Laver Cup in the quote you highlighted from me. You seem to be talking about ATP Cup.
Mark Bosko
New User
Nick Kyrgios vs Stefanos Tsitsipas - highlights looked good, I would have liked to see the entire match.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
Hmm. The format of the ATP Cup is almost identical to that of the Davis Cup Finals held in Madrid in November 2019.
BGod
G.O.A.T.
Personally I think it's too crowded in both format and teams.
Firstly, if you're counting tie wins then why the point of playing rather meaningless 3rd matches when not needed just for tiebreaks? Just all the circumstances posted for Canada to make final eight was laughable, like Spain needs to beat Japan 3-0, etc, etc.
Either make it about wins and tiebreaks are matches lost, not won (so going 2-0 is just as good as 3-0). Or if you want all the matches played then get rid of wins, so it's not about 2-1 with 7 matches won and 2 lost and just 7-2 on the standings for matches won.
Then the amount of teams at 24. Look, tennis is what it is in terms of countries that have enough top players to care about. It's not fair I get it but you gotta cut it off somewhere and ultimately the countries out of the loop initially might climb their way in. This is just money grab like the Euro Cup adding more than half the continent now (way more than half).
But obviously if you were doing just 16 teams then the RR format is muted and you might as well start the knock-out. But I'd also have it Best of 5 set format for SF and F with day rest inbetween.
So yeah, as it is currently setup there's issues and it's a lot of wasted time before the final eight.
Firstly, if you're counting tie wins then why the point of playing rather meaningless 3rd matches when not needed just for tiebreaks? Just all the circumstances posted for Canada to make final eight was laughable, like Spain needs to beat Japan 3-0, etc, etc.
Either make it about wins and tiebreaks are matches lost, not won (so going 2-0 is just as good as 3-0). Or if you want all the matches played then get rid of wins, so it's not about 2-1 with 7 matches won and 2 lost and just 7-2 on the standings for matches won.
Then the amount of teams at 24. Look, tennis is what it is in terms of countries that have enough top players to care about. It's not fair I get it but you gotta cut it off somewhere and ultimately the countries out of the loop initially might climb their way in. This is just money grab like the Euro Cup adding more than half the continent now (way more than half).
But obviously if you were doing just 16 teams then the RR format is muted and you might as well start the knock-out. But I'd also have it Best of 5 set format for SF and F with day rest inbetween.
So yeah, as it is currently setup there's issues and it's a lot of wasted time before the final eight.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
No, I haven't.
FreeBird
Legend
My bad.
The way teams were selected for Davis cup finals was bad. No Greece (Tsitsipas), Austria (Thiem), Bulgaria (Dimitrov). Moreover, Zverev opted out.
Here all top non-injured players are participating except for Roger, Wawrinka.
Selecting only 1 city (that too madrid) led to poor crowd in non-spanish matches. At ATP cup, there is a good crowd even for non-Aus matches.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
The teams were not selected for the Davis Cup Finals ! Greece, Austria, Bulgaria did not qualify for the Finals.
You obviously have no idea what the Davis Cup is.
Davis Cup - Wikipedia
Zverev preferred to earn money by playing exhibition tournaments, instead of playing for his country at the Davis Cup.
Speaking of the crowd at the ATP Cup, here is a picture:
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The ATP Cup is the most talked about event in the history of Australia outside of the AO 
Its been a smashing success and we haven't even played the QFs yet!
When players are playing in teams for their country, even non-tennis fans take an interest.....like a World Cup.
And Davis Cup has also increased in popularity because of the new format being like a World Cup.
Its been a smashing success and we haven't even played the QFs yet!
When players are playing in teams for their country, even non-tennis fans take an interest.....like a World Cup.
And Davis Cup has also increased in popularity because of the new format being like a World Cup.
FreeBird
Legend
Wow selecting one match to show crowd. Should I search the photos of every non-spanish match at Davis cup?The teams were not selected for the Davis Cup Finals ! Greece, Austria, Bulgaria did not qualify for the Finals.
You obviously have no idea what the Davis Cup is.
Davis Cup - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Zverev preferred to earn money by playing exhibition tournaments, instead of playing for his country at the Davis Cup.
Speaking of the crowd at the ATP Cup, here is a picture:
Thats what I am saying. The ****ty format didn't allow Austria, Greece and Bulgaria to qualify and thus, we had no top players from these countries. Learn to read. I guess they teach you that in primary school.
Time is flying but you never change.
borg number one
Legend
Great last couple of matches! That was fun.
octobrina10
Talk Tennis Guru
The Austria, Greece and Bulgaria national teams' results didn't allow the teams to qualify:
2019 Davis Cup - Wikipedia
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
Any tournament without Federer and a bunch of bums is garbage.
Fiero425
Legend
Besides his more lucrative tour of exhibitions I hear are worth $8 M, Roger's probably had his fill of anointing new events after start of his beloved "Laver Cup!"
borg number one
Legend
I’m enjoying it. This tourney seems like a test run to compete with the Davis Cup and perhaps long term they’ll simply merge. Let’s see how it goes. It’s fun.
Federer and Del Potro
Bionic Poster
It's a cool tournament - surprised by the sheer volume of tennis required to win so soon before the Australian Open, however.
Guess we will have to wait to AO to see if it has any ill-effects on the older guys. I hope not.
Guess we will have to wait to AO to see if it has any ill-effects on the older guys. I hope not.
speedysteve
Legend
I liked the format. Great to see players going at it (ATP points awarded)with country pride team angle as well - much more interesting start to the year, than the usual minor tournaments with a the top player spread around different locations.
albertobra
Hall of Fame
Honestly, after the Laver Cup, with the weird formula, the ATP Cup is refreshing. You feel there is competition.
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