Backhand question???

bvu126

New User
Hey guys,

I'm a self taught player, right now around 3.5 to 4.0 college player. Our school recently hired a new coach. The new coach told me that I needed to shorten my back swing.

Well first, my backhand is like this. I grap the throat of the racquet with my non-dominant hand which for me is my left hand, to rotate my shoulders in preparing for the ball. But on my right hand, I extend my elbow kind of straight out and make a big looping C before making contact.

The coach told me that instead of straightening my right arm out, tuck the arm in while I pull back with my left hand. As an example, by putting a tennis ball underneath my armpits, and the ball should stay there until I make contact with the ball. Is this the correct way or straightening my right arm out okay?
 

Cypo

Rookie
How well do you hit the ball with your (to me odd-sounding) preparation ? Are you interested in improving your backhand, or are you happy with it the way it is ? Do you think the coach knows what he's talking about ? Do want to be on the tennis team ?

His advice sounds like the way I was taught, and hit, my one-hander, but I have seen lots of decent players with unorthodx strokes - and the way you describe yours reminds me of a pro - a guy with the glasses (can't think of his name) - I haven't seen much tennis recently.

If you want to be coached, I think you owe it to the coach to try what he says - or find another coach, otherwise your wasting your time and his.

If it's a question of being on the team, I think you might consider talking to him - asking him if he can accept your backhand the way it is because you don't make a lot of unforced errors with it, or whatever, but you may have to make a decision which is more important to you. Or, I guess you can try to act like your following his advice, and then not ;-)
 

JackD

Rookie
When teaching any stroke I encourage as little excess work as possible to save energy and time. I teach players to use a C or a looped swing but I often see an overemphasized loop out of the courts which is maybe why your coach wants you to shorten the stroke. The height of your take back should be = to your ready position.

If in the ready position you keep the raq head at a 45 degree angle with the top of the raq just below eye level it should be easy from here. Now when you turn your raq. is the height it should be so when the time comes to swing forward you can relax to gain the free energy you want out of the loop. What some players do is bring the raq up over the height of there head which takes to long at a high level of play or especially on the return of serve. Also this creates the downward momentum to soon so the swing starts in effect to low and you lose the benefit you were trying to create with your loop. (Sorry hard to explain in an email)

During take back switch your grip to an eatern backhand grip which will help staighten your arm. Your arm dominant arm should stay against your chest until you swing. You body should now be perpindicular to the court with your raq pointed straight to the backstop behind you. Hold that position until its time to make your swing then make you C or which should now look more like a Nike symbol then a C.

Ultimately not all coaches are great stroke technicians/teachers. But in light of the fact that you ar self taught and he was hired by your school I would give him the benefit of the doubt and give it a try for awhile. If it doesn't work out find yourself a respected pro in your area and let them take a look at what your doing and give you some tips. Private lessons are pricey but if your looking for specific info most certified pros should be able to make a meaningful change to your game in an 1hr lesson. Then practice what you've learned on your own.

Good Luck.
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
bvu126 said:
But on my right hand, I extend my elbow kind of straight out and make a big looping C before making contact.

The coach told me that instead of straightening my right arm out, tuck the arm in while I pull back with my left hand. As an example, by putting a tennis ball underneath my armpits, and the ball should stay there until I make contact with the ball. Is this the correct way or straightening my right arm out okay?

Both techniques are currently used. Being self-taught, you might need more sources for your learning. You might want to consider taking a subscription to easitennis.com, where I understand both variations are shown.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
bvu126 said:
Hey guys,

I'm a self taught player, right now around 3.5 to 4.0 college player. Our school recently hired a new coach. The new coach told me that I needed to shorten my back swing.

Well first, my backhand is like this. I grap the throat of the racquet with my non-dominant hand which for me is my left hand, to rotate my shoulders in preparing for the ball. But on my right hand, I extend my elbow kind of straight out and make a big looping C before making contact.

The coach told me that instead of straightening my right arm out, tuck the arm in while I pull back with my left hand. As an example, by putting a tennis ball underneath my armpits, and the ball should stay there until I make contact with the ball. Is this the correct way or straightening my right arm out okay?

Yes you should keep the elbow closer to the body then pushing it away from the body.

There are several reasons for this:

1. The brain has a more precise idea of where the racquet head is in relation to the incoming ball.

2. You reduce forearm rotation that move the racquet face around too much and you will lose control.

If you want to study an excellent onehanded backhand for almost all club players, you can get no better model then Tommy Haas. His takeback and form are near perfect when he smacks that ball.

Here is a clip on his backhand: http://www.uspta.com/html/e-lesson-Backhand side view.swf

Since you are concerned about the takeback and swing itself, I will not venture into his footwork, his center of gravity, his shoulder turn, his grip change, and him being able to make contact WHILE his body is facing the 45 degree angle. That is for you to study and for you to ask questions.

For now, let's just analyze his take back and forward swing.

http://www.uspta.com/html/e-lesson-Backhand side view.swf

For most players I see hitting a onehanded backhand, it would do some good for those struggling with their onehander to anaylze Tommy's takeback which I believe is paramount to a consistent well developed onehander. The days for the big loop or the C stuff gets people in trouble. I have heard them all.

At one time, this was easier to teach because the game was a lot slower. Not the case today. Your takeback needs to match how the game has changed. Especially if you are teaching yourself. I am self-taught and believe anyone can teach themselves anything.

So back to Tommy. NOTICE the hape his hand makes on the takeback and forward swing. Also, NOTICE the little hole he makes between the racquet, his non-dominant arm and his hitting arm at his highest point in the backswing. The NON-dominant hand goes about shoulder high while his hitting hand rises to about chest level. THIS IS A HUGE KEY FOR TIMING!!!!

The shape the hitting hand makes on the takeback and the foward swing is a small shallow U. That is it! Also, notice he is READY to pull forward BEFORE the ball hits the ground. This is one of the best backhands to copy in the game today. So while you practice keeping your elbow closer to your body, change your thinking to the hand. Also, don't get trapped into trying to figure out how to "loop" your racquet head up, around, back, down, up and forward. Get your mind off of the racquet head and how it has to go high and loop around - your will kill your timing that way.

Focus on the hand, keep it close like Tommy. Turn the shoulders and take the hand back and slightly up before the ball bounces. Then pull as the ball is nearing the contact zone.

Also, note that when he rotates his shoulders his hitting hand does not move back very far. In fact, it stays within the width of his body.

Now, that is one beautiful backhand!

Where Tommy gets his power is from his timing, his back foot push to step forward, and the pull forward on the handle (which takes practice to get the feel of it). He explodes into the ball.

His center of gravity rises very smoothly. His elbow is also close to his body.

Now your coach is probably trying to overteach something to you with the "hold the ball" between your elbow and your side to break a bad habit. Go with it, there is nothing wrong witht hat instruction. But study Tommy Haas and practice his takeback. On your stroke, put your focus on the hand.

Make sure your racquet is a foot below the ball as it comes up to the contact zone. The reason for this is it is very easy for a onehander to still be swing down to the low point at or near contact. This causes all kinds of problems.

Forget about the C or the big loop, or the BIG U. Watch Tommy's hands it is short and sweet and close to the body. Stay with that and you will have a great backhand.
 

bvu126

New User
wow guys,

thanks for all the info, right now i'm currently on the varsity line-up at a division 3 school. The biggest thing for me is structured tennis because I learned tennis late, prob after senior year of high school. All my technique has camed from myself and tennis websites. I'm trying to work on what the tennis coach is telling me, just wondering if i should stick with the stroke i have or improve it?

My backhand is very consistent with pace as well as control. The toughest part for me is getting use to the shorter stroke. BB, after looking at Tommy Haas backhand that is what my backhand looks like, but I realized that my footwork is what is suffering. With the big loop, I'm sometimes late to the ball. I'm 5'5" and one of my main strength is speed, but still suffer from footwork and preparation.
 

bvu126

New User
From my understanding, I create a big high-low-high stroke like a diagonal U leaning to the right, if that makes sense. The toughest thing for me is keeping my arms closer to my body when I do my take back.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
bvu126 said:
wow guys,

thanks for all the info, right now i'm currently on the varsity line-up at a division 3 school. The biggest thing for me is structured tennis because I learned tennis late, prob after senior year of high school. All my technique has camed from myself and tennis websites. I'm trying to work on what the tennis coach is telling me, just wondering if i should stick with the stroke i have or improve it?

My backhand is very consistent with pace as well as control. The toughest part for me is getting use to the shorter stroke. BB, after looking at Tommy Haas backhand that is what my backhand looks like, but I realized that my footwork is what is suffering. With the big loop, I'm sometimes late to the ball. I'm 5'5" and one of my main strength is speed, but still suffer from footwork and preparation.

Just watch what tommy does and make sure your ready to go forward before the ball bounces. Many club players are still in the backswing as the ball bounces - which spells - LATE.

the small shallow U shape Tommy makes is complimented by his coiling. He sort of rocks the hand back and rocks the hand forward. That is the backswing. This will give you very good CONTROLLED POWER, improve yor timing and most important have a hell of a fun time hitting that beautiful shot.

It is the hands you need to focus on not the loop or the racquet head. Watch his hands.
 

Kaptain Karl

Hall Of Fame
bvu - Have you seen video of yourself hitting your BH? Maybe your new Coach is seeing something you are not aware of. Give him a chance (for, as BB says, the game isn't slow enough anymore for lots of extraneous motion in your swing.)

Back when video cameras were full-sized (Yeah. I know; 100 years ago....) I'd invest in renting a camera about every other six week group lesson series. I cannot tell you how many times student I was telling his preparation was too loopy ... too big a C ... too round ... no matter how I said it (it didn't seem to "get through" to them).

I'd set up the camera and have everyone hit four of each shot. Then we'd gather round the monitor to watch. It never ceased to amaze me how (the student described above) would blurt out, "Wow! My back swing is way too circular." ... And the whole class would crack up and say, "KK's been telling you that."

My point is, sometimes *you* are the worst judge of your own stroke ... until you see it through your Coach’s eyes. If you do this, try to have a friend film you from somewhat the same angle

With the instant feedback of today's digital cameras, you can have a very illuminating practice. Any coach would love it if all his players' BHs were as sound as Tommy Haas'.

At this point, I'm inclined to give your Coach the benefit of the doubt over you. (No offense. You start off by saying you are self-taught. I am merely (admittedly) assuming your Coach’s greater experience gives his opinion “trump”.

Good luck with your BH.

- KK
 

bvu126

New User
KK, I really like the coach. It's a different perspective which will benefit me in my game. I'm asking him to videotape my backhand to see and anlayze it. thanks guys, and I'll keep working on it.


And I know that this is not the racquet section, but having the right racquet really helps. I tried playing with a babolat PD, and I couldn't hit the ball in at all and was reduce to slicing it on the backhand. Thanks
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
bvu126 said:
Yea, i do split stepped but my footwork is struggling. The footwork link is very helpful. Thanks

Check the masters in action at tenniscruz.com, new clips:))

Pete Sampras
Backhand - Running
http://www.tenniscruz.com/movies/Sampras/PS_BH_Runnig.htm

Roger Federer
Running Backhand
http://www.tenniscruz.com/movies/Roger Federer/RFederer_BHRun.htm
http://www.tenniscruz.com/movies/Roger Federer/RFederer_BHRun1.htm
check his recovery too ...

Now, this is slice BH, but what a fast, impeccable footwork by Sampras!!!!
Pete Sampras
Backhand - Slice Cross
http://www.tenniscruz.com/movies/Sampras/PS_BHSlCC.htm

Now you know where you need to get:)
 

Mahboob Khan

Hall of Fame
Bungalo Bill has not left anything for me. Great response. Yes, the looping backswing on the backhand poses lots of troubles since we copy the Pros but do not copy their daily practice routine and numerous tournament matches which they play.

Yes, I would suggest that using the left hand you pull the racket backward and slightly upward causing your upper body to turn.

About the ball in the shoulder pit: If some one is leading with his hitting elbow and/or the arm is flying away from the body then this correctional technique is used. This also assures that the hitting arm is close to the body and straight just before, during, and after contact. In fact the arm and the racket makes 90 degree angle at contact and at this stage the arm is away from the body. Yes, in the backswing, the hitting arm is flexed (the hitting elbow pointing to the ground). I think I am saying the same thing which BB has just said.
 
for the eastern backhand grip, is it better for the fingers to be spread a little, or the index finger spread from the rest, or all the fingers should be compact and touching each other? which way is more effective? or is it just preference? :confused:
 

Mahboob Khan

Hall of Fame
The base knuckle of the index finger is on panel number 1 the top panel, and the index finger (4th finger) is spread along the handle and under (which means it is separate from the rest of the fingers). Do not bunch your fingers together!
 
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