Best items you found at thrift stores (Goodwill)?

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Emrik don't get enough praise. They seem to have aimed for quality products out of Taiwan from their Australian HQ. This subtly named Dictator looks like the usual 357g, 17mm beam offering, but the even balance gives it a very beefy swing. Incredibly solid and plush, like a Comfort Edge with a larger (90sqi ish) and thinner hoop.

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kevin qmto

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They do seem like quality sticks. Did they have any particular tech/gimmicks they liked to push in their offerings? What did they try to do to set themselves apart from the mainstream brands?
 

kevin qmto

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Tonight, as I was leaving the park after hitting with the old guys, a dad and two daughters arrived to hit on an adjacent court. I noticed the older girl (who looked about 12-13) had a racket case that was quite small and I did a double take when out came a Yamaha YFG-30. Naturally I immediately walked over and complimented her on her excellent taste in brands which she was understandably surprised but appreciated the complement. Now as expected, none of the 3 of them seemed like anything other than total novices plinking around and all standing in no-man’s land swatting balls into the net or well long, or missing entirely. That’s all well and good so longs as they’re having fun, the girl using the YFG-30 seemed the most advanced out of all of them. I said one more comment on passing. “You know, that racket was used in a grand slam final.” She was like: “wow really?” I followed with: “ Yep, John Sadri used it. He had one of the best serves in the game back then. It’s a demanding racket but strike the ball cleanly and it’ll reward you. I have one similar in my bag (Referring to my YFG-50).” I declined to say exactly how long ago that was for fear of alienating her but she smiled and went back to hitting. I hope they stick with it. Her dad and sister both had some head aluminum sticks that were at least 25 years newer.
 
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They do seem like quality sticks. Did they have any particular tech/gimmicks they liked to push in their offerings? What did they try to do to set themselves apart from the mainstream brands?

I think they had the usual range of layups, but oftentimes the hoop shapes are slightly different from the usual Taiwan selection suggesting a bit of Australian design rather than pure branding, including their aluminium 'World Cup'. They seemed to focus on premium mid-range offerings, rather than the very top or bottom. And I guess they focused on the Australian marketplace, with the Davis Cup team sponsorship at some point I think. This Dictator is probably the most plush feeling graphite stick I have, right up there with a MAX-150G for dwell-time.
 
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vsbabolat

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Emrik don't get enough praise. They seem to have aimed for quality products out of Taiwan from their Australian HQ. This subtly named Dictator looks like the usual 357g, 17mm beam offering, but the even balance gives it a very beefy swing. Incredibly solid and plush, like a Comfort Edge with a larger (90sqi ish) and thinner hoop.

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The mold reminds me of the Dunlop Turbo Plus and Turbo Pro
 

retrowagen

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Yep, and the Fred Perry Master and Legend sticks. The Turbo Plus seems to be quite rare.
I coveted the Turbo Pro when I saw it on the racks in 1983 or 1984. In the US, at the time, there was a discount chain/catalog store called Best. For whatever reason, Best carried some decent tennis racquets in their sporting goods inventory, and that year, among their highest end frames sold were the Taiwanese Dunlops… Black Max and Turbo Pro, for instance. I thought the Turbo Pro looked super cool and modern. However, when World Tennis Magazine tested one, their review was very lackluster.

Best store corporate had an affinity for tennis—they also sponsored a “team” of up-and-coming journeyman US male pros, including Eliot Teltscher, Mel Purcell, and Rodney Harmon. I had the “Best Tennis Team” poster on my bedroom wall, next to a Fila-issued one of Miloslav Mecir, “The New Face in Great Tennis” as I recollect.
 

djNEiGht

Legend
Tonight, as I was leaving the park after hitting with the old guys, a dad and two daughters arrived to hit on an adjacent court. I noticed the older girl (who looked about 12-13) had a racket case that was quite small and I did a double take when out came a Yamaha YFG-30. Naturally I immediately walked over and complimented her on her excellent taste in brands which she was understandably surprised but appreciated the complement. Now as expected, none of the 3 of them seemed like anything other than total novices plinking around and all standing in no-man’s land swatting balls into the net or well long, or missing entirely. That’s all well and good so longs as they’re having fun, the girl using the YFG-30 seemed the most advanced out of all of them. I said one more comment on passing. “You know, that racket was used in a grand slam final.” She was like: “wow really?” I followed with: “ Yep, John Sadri used it. He had one of the best serves in the game back then. It’s a demanding racket but strike the ball cleanly and it’ll reward you. I have one similar in my bag (Referring to my YFG-50).” I declined to say exactly how long ago that was for fear of alienating her but she smiled and went back to hitting. I hope they stick with it. Her dad and sister both had some head aluminum sticks that were at least 25 years newer.
i enjoy these interactions. Where people just love tennis I met someone while leaving the public courts. Grandparent with their grandchild. The elder was throwing tennis balls from across the net...no racquet. The child was missing and flailing but both seemed to have fun.

I walked over and cheered them on. The grandparent said they had never played but loved watching tennis and named off a few of their fav tennis players. I was allowed to help the kid with how to hold the racquet and gave some drop feeds. The grandparent liked the idea of the drop feed and continued that as I walked to the car.
 

Grafil Injection

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i enjoy these interactions. Where people just love tennis I met someone while leaving the public courts. Grandparent with their grandchild. The elder was throwing tennis balls from across the net...no racquet. The child was missing and flailing but both seemed to have fun.

I walked over and cheered them on. The grandparent said they had never played but loved watching tennis and named off a few of their fav tennis players. I was allowed to help the kid with how to hold the racquet and gave some drop feeds. The grandparent liked the idea of the drop feed and continued that as I walked to the car.

Yeah, Kevin should stow one of his bargain finds with a larger head to give to the girl if he sees her again, and she has ability. The YFG-30 may be a little challenging, long-term.
 

kevin qmto

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Well it happened again. Another league opponent decided after losing his break lead and then getting broken to drop one set, that trying further was totally out of the question. Using my Goodwill sourced $4.67 Prostaff Six.One 90, I dispatched an old guy I’ve played 3 times now. He’s gotten a bit down on himself before but never like this. I just played him in USTA 3 weeks ago and it was a close match that I won in a match breaker. But last night it was 7/5, 6/0. 3 games into set two he essentially tanked the rest of the match. I hear this enough as a young-ish person so it’s about time I got to fire back - “What’s wrong with this generation???” Back to back league opponents (in their 40s and 50s) I played had meltdowns after losing a set. Wasting my time and money, this league ain’t free after all.
 
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kevin qmto

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Tonight Play it Again Sports I found these two. They look remarkably similar, I think they might actually be modified versions of the same mold, though I could tell the layup is not the same, the Profile is definitely heavier. It also has PWS and a thicker beam bridge from the throat to the bottom of the hoop. Also no mention of Kuebler anymore on the Pro Staff. Were these sold at the same time, around 1992ish? I assume this was the final version of the original Profile line? TCN buttcap code on the Profile, but the Pro Staff 4.0 was missing its buttcap trapdoor cover so idk what its code was, though it said Taiwan on the bottom. No case though. I must say, racket cases used to be so much nicer, that Profile case is THICK, and has this embossed foam lettering around the word 'Profile' (on the other side), just something we've totally lost in tennis today. You see the stock generic cases that come with Babolats now? Paper thin and not even branded for any particular frame.

I only bought the Pro Staff as it was $10 cheaper ($9.99) though it had no case. Maybe some of you remember how I was dissapointted in the Pro Staff 4.2, so lets try one that's even bigger, lighter, and stiffer. Surely it'll impress right? But I have some hope as I do actually enjoy swinging my Profile 2.7 95 from time to time.

The Pro Staff has certainly had a lot of vastly different looks over time, and this is definitely one of the wilder ones. Now I need a 5.5 Spin super thin beam for the ultimate contrast lol!
In store comparison pics, before cleanup efforts.
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Studio stuff, a lot of the scuffs came right off with a magic eraser. Those work wonders for cleaning old frames.
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Hammer line got its own unique hologram.
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hold the phone, what on earth was the wilson Excalibur?

edit - looks like Wilson's attempt at an ultra luxury frame like the Prince Sovereign. But it doesn't come in a large wooden crate so the best I can give it is a 6/10.

I posted the Wilson Excalibur advert previously. It came with an annual factory check-up support. You should probably buy if you see one for $5!

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Grafil Injection

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Wilson were firing rackets out in all directions at this time. Basically mixing everything together with Wide-Beam series, Hammers, Ultras, Pro-Staffs all getting jumbled up.
 
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kevin qmto

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Played with a group of oldsters and one younger guy, just plinking around getting some exercise. Brought out the Pro Staff 4.0 and these were my first hits with it. Maybe I'll try doing some voiceover or if I get lazy I'll just put a text update for the 3 people who remotely care. used dual cameras, slomo, the whole shebang. Tennis rackets are so subjective I find it hard to think of things to say about how something hits that's not just total opinion, but I felt like this frame had decent control of its power. I felt like I could mostly keep things in the court, though I definitely shortened my backswing a bit. With this much power on tap it takes a bit more racket guidance than huge head speed.

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Played with a group of oldsters and one younger guy, just plinking around getting some exercise. Brought out the Pro Staff 4.0 and these were my first hits with it. Maybe I'll try doing some voiceover or if I get lazy I'll just put a text update for the 3 people who remotely care. used dual cameras, slomo, the whole shebang. Tennis rackets are so subjective I find it hard to think of things to say about how something hits that's not just total opinion, but I felt like this frame had decent control of its power. I felt like I could mostly keep things in the court, though I definitely shortened my backswing a bit. With this much power on tap it takes a bit more racket guidance than huge head speed.

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I'm seeing easy depth/power/blocking capabilities ? Guessing not the best feel / control ?
 

kevin qmto

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I'm seeing easy depth/power/blocking capabilities ? Guessing not the best feel / control ?
I feel like I know how to swing to keep the ball in the court. I just feel like I don’t have high confidence in where it’s gonna land lol. Like I kept trying to hit the ball to the guy in the yellow shorts forehand since his backhand is pretty bad, and over and over again, I’d hit it to his backhand despite my efforts lol.

Stiff OS frames are always the best for half volley pickups/blocks.

And ah shoot. Somehow I accidentally deleted one of my better highlights from the final edit. I pulled a squash shot on a ball that was literally behind me and managed to get it back across the net. And somehow I deleted it. Great job me.
 

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I feel like I know how to swing to keep the ball in the court. I just feel like I don’t have high confidence in where it’s gonna land lol. Like I kept trying to hit the ball to the guy in the yellow shorts forehand since his backhand is pretty bad, and over and over again, I’d hit it to his backhand despite my efforts lol.

Stiff OS frames are always the best for half volley pickups/blocks.

And ah shoot. Somehow I accidentally deleted one of my better highlights from the final edit. I pulled a squash shot on a ball that was literally behind me and managed to get it back across the net. And somehow I deleted it. Great job me.

Yeah, massive sweet-zone usually means poorly defined sweet-spot, so you don't have confidence to attack balls.

I have to disagree with the pick-up comment. MAX 200G and Comfort Edge are other-worldly there.
 

kevin qmto

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Yeah, massive sweet-zone usually means poorly defined sweet-spot, so you don't have confidence to attack balls.

I have to disagree with the pick-up comment. MAX 200G and Comfort Edge are other-worldly there.
I guess I meant the ability to find the strings is easiest without framing and the fact that you don’t even have to hardly swing due to the stiffness. For precise redirection players sticks are the best for sure.
 

ADar601278

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Tonight Play it Again Sports I found these two. They look remarkably similar, I think they might actually be modified versions of the same mold, though I could tell the layup is not the same, the Profile is definitely heavier. It also has PWS and a thicker beam bridge from the throat to the bottom of the hoop. Also no mention of Kuebler anymore on the Pro Staff. Were these sold at the same time, around 1992ish? I assume this was the final version of the original Profile line? TCN buttcap code on the Profile, but the Pro Staff 4.0 was missing its buttcap trapdoor cover so idk what its code was, though it said Taiwan on the bottom. No case though. I must say, racket cases used to be so much nicer, that Profile case is THICK, and has this embossed foam lettering around the word 'Profile' (on the other side), just something we've totally lost in tennis today. You see the stock generic cases that come with Babolats now? Paper thin and not even branded for any particular frame.

I only bought the Pro Staff as it was $10 cheaper ($9.99) though it had no case. Maybe some of you remember how I was dissapointted in the Pro Staff 4.2, so lets try one that's even bigger, lighter, and stiffer. Surely it'll impress right? But I have some hope as I do actually enjoy swinging my Profile 2.7 95 from time to time.

The Pro Staff has certainly had a lot of vastly different looks over time, and this is definitely one of the wilder ones. Now I need a 5.5 Spin super thin beam for the ultimate contrast lol!
In store comparison pics, before cleanup efforts.
a494a2J.jpg

vh4QfVR.jpg

8HjxYBk.jpg


Studio stuff, a lot of the scuffs came right off with a magic eraser. Those work wonders for cleaning old frames.
2KJmuxX.jpg

fLpm6pl.jpg

he1XRbx.jpg

5r4fwz1.jpg

Hammer line got its own unique hologram.
itzcf69.jpg

tAQkPKS.jpg
Great looking racquets, personally I would have gone for the Profile as that is what I am currently using
 

kevin qmto

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Great looking racquets, personally I would have gone for the Profile as that is what I am currently using
At half the price I found the Pro Staff More compelling. (Also I already have a Profile 2.7 in the 95 head). Also wanted to see how a 4.0 si dual taper beam stiffness index felt compared to 2.7 si. Verdict - about the same, still very stiff.
 
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kevin qmto

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Found this at Savers, which has really been coming in clutch in recent months. $3.99 for a Kneissl Spark 35 in 9/10 shape. 100sq in, 360g, and somewhat flexy despite the ceramic branding, it feels like it could be repainted and marketed as a modern players stick. Apparently they had to pay Prince for.... something. Thought people only had to do that for oversize frames? These come from Yamaha's factory in Singapore just as the Aeramic 25 did, but I like how this hits a lot better. I don't know if this was a higher end frame or not. My Kneissl knowledge is pretty sparse.

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kevin qmto

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And while I was at it, might as well post about my latest Rawlings find. This 'Speed Hawk' is in fantastic shape. Maybe by speedy they mean aerodynamic? Or maybe flexible as I see no vulcanized fiber layer unlike the rest of the Rawlings I have. It does have a rather thin throat, but its width makes up for it, and it also has a fiber layer on top. Decided to also do a family photo with the rest of the Rawlings offerings. 3 out of 4 came from Japan, while the Newcombe Mark of a Pro came from Taiwan. Weight and balance wise 3/4 also are nearly identical with the static weight of the Hawk, Newcombe MoaP and Court King being 368, 368, and 370g respectively. The outlier being the feathery light 334g Newcombe Meteorite. You can really see where the Meteorite saves on weight by looking how thin it is at the throat in terms of width. I have hit with it though and its pretty good. I still haven't hit the the MoaP or the Speed Hawk which I just got yesterday.

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Grafil Injection

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Found this at Savers, which has really been coming in clutch in recent months. $3.99 for a Kneissl Spark 35 in 9/10 shape. 100sq in, 360g, and somewhat flexy despite the ceramic branding, it feels like it could be repainted and marketed as a modern players stick. Apparently they had to pay Prince for.... something. Thought people only had to do that for oversize frames? These come from Yamaha's factory in Singapore just as the Aeramic 25 did, but I like how this hits a lot better. I don't know if this was a higher end frame or not. My Kneissl knowledge is pretty sparse.

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They may have been high priced, but I don't think any Kneissls not made in Austria were considered player's sticks.

At 100sqi and square beamed, does this match precisely to one of the Secret moulds?
 
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Grafil Injection

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And while I was at it, might as well post about my latest Rawlings find. This 'Speed Hawk' is in fantastic shape. Maybe by speedy they mean aerodynamic? Or maybe flexible as I see no vulcanized fiber layer unlike the rest of the Rawlings I have. It does have a rather thin throat, but its width makes up for it, and it also has a fiber layer on top. Decided to also do a family photo with the rest of the Rawlings offerings. 3 out of 4 came from Japan, while the Newcombe Mark of a Pro came from Taiwan. Weight and balance wise 3/4 also are nearly identical with the static weight of the Hawk, Newcombe MoaP and Court King being 368, 368, and 370g respectively. The outlier being the feathery light 334g Newcombe Meteorite. You can really see where the Meteorite saves on weight by looking how thin it is at the throat in terms of width. I have hit with it though and its pretty good. I still haven't hit the the MoaP or the Speed Hawk which I just got yesterday.

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L to R: Speed Hawk, MoaP, Court King, and Meteorite.
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hoop layer comparison
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I think I can see a couple of thin fibre laminations in the Speed Hawk's hoop, and a beech layer in the centre, which is a good sign. I also note the bindings are in the same orientation as the Court King, so overall I think the SH is a quality stick. The two John Newcombes are lower level. There may have been more JNs by Rawlings than McEnroes by Dunlop!
 

kevin qmto

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They may have been high priced, but I don't think any Kneissls not made in Austria were considered player's sticks.

At 100sqi and square beamed, does this match precisely to one of the Secret moulds?
The beam is far more boxy here than on the secrets. They’re definitely not the same. Although I think they might share identical plastic grip collars, both feature serial numbers stamped into them as well.
 

Sanglier

Professional
Does anyone have any ideas as to what Patents Prince had that Kneissl might have to pay royalties for on that frame?

As this Kneissl has a 100 SqIn stringbed, it is covered by Howard Head's (in)famous 3,999,756 patent and its numerous international derivatives. It is unusual that a licensee would choose to advertise this fact in such a prominent way, but at least they stopped after the Canadian patent, or else they would have duplicated this:

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retrowagen

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Yeah, every manufacturer paid royalties to Prince for their headsize patent.

The Kneissl Spark 35 and 25 models were rebadged Yamaha models… nothing special about them at all, other than that they were the first models of the brand produced outside of their own factory in Tirol… the “beginning of the end,” so to speak.

I think the Yamaha models used as a basis were Alpha somethingorothers.
 

kevin qmto

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Yeah, every manufacturer paid royalties to Prince for their headsize patent.

The Kneissl Spark 35 and 25 models were rebadged Yamaha models… nothing special about them at all, other than that they were the first models of the brand produced outside of their own factory in Tirol… the “beginning of the end,” so to speak.

I think the Yamaha models used as a basis were Alpha somethingorothers.
Honestly the connection to Yamaha is the main reason I like them. Though I’m quite certain they’re not direct clones of any specific Yamaha frame. The beam width and bevel of the Aeramic 25 is identical to the Yamaha Admic 25, but the balance, weight, and hoop shape is different.
 

kevin qmto

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Horrible news (for me), Gamma finally responded to my email, and despite their packaging still calling the multifilament Ocho XP 16/17 "New", it has now been discontinued. My hopes of buying a reel of 17 are dashed. It appears a few retailers still have sets and reels of 16 in stock, so I suppose I'll buy a couple and be content for a while. Gamma attempted to steer me towards the TNT Ocho shaped synthetic gut, but I know it's just not going to feel as plush as the multi. I can't fathom why they're getting rid of it, they were really onto something with that string.
 

Grafil Injection

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Horrible news (for me), Gamma finally responded to my email, and despite their packaging still calling the multifilament Ocho XP 16/17 "New", it has now been discontinued. My hopes of buying a reel of 17 are dashed. It appears a few retailers still have sets and reels of 16 in stock, so I suppose I'll buy a couple and be content for a while. Gamma attempted to steer me towards the TNT Ocho shaped synthetic gut, but I know it's just not going to feel as plush as the multi. I can't fathom why they're getting rid of it, they were really onto something with that string.

A couple of sites show Ocho XP is discontinued in the UK too.

I think this was the 1st Hammer launch advert from 1992:
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Grafil Injection

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Hammer came out in 1990. It came in two names at first the Profile Hanmer and the Pro Staff Hammer. Then they simplified rhe name with Hammer 2.7 and 4.2.

The advert is from September 1992 S&V Magazine, and being a Wilson ad is unlikely to be very out of date, at least regarding the UK market. So I think sometime in 1992 will be when they rolled out the Hammer concept across multiple lines. Prior to that, the 1990-91 ads I've seen show just Profile 2.7 Hammer in 95 and 110 sizes alongside multiple other Profiles; whilst the Pro-Staffs were the wide-body Dual-Taper models. But it wouldn't surprise me if Wilson rolled out Pro-Staff Hammers earlier in the US as well.
 
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