Best midsize rackets in your honest opinion :)

[BreakPoint]

Tour 90 (any iteration)
PS 6.0 85
Bio/Aerogel 100
Yonex RDX 500

 

[BreakPoint]

The definition is changing. Some manufacturers are calling 95s mids now.

There aren't any 90s being produced so why call a 95 a mid-plus when there's nothing smaller being produced?

But if you redefine what a "Midsize" is then you'll also have to redefine what a "Standard Size" is.

The name "Midsize" is short for "Middle Size", a name they came up with to describe racquet sizes in between "Standard Size" and "Oversize", which were already on the market.

And since they don't make 90s or smaller anymore, shouldn't a 95 now be the new "Standard Size"? But then would that make 90s now "Substandard Size"? LOL

Perhaps it's better just to leave it all alone since people have been using the familiar nomenclature for so long and messing with it will just cause more confusion? As it does on this board?

 

[BreakPoint]

Head measures from the outside of the frame while everyone else measures from the inside. This has been debated for years on these boards. The consensus that I've seen is 95.

Again, it has nothing to do with measuring the head from the outside or the inside. It has to do with the metric to imperial conversion. I've written about this at least 100 times on this board it seems.

95 sq. in. = 613 sq. cm., but Head wanted a nice round marketing number so they rounded it up to 630, so they can call their series of racquets, PC600, PT630, PC660, etc. See the trend? But 630 sq. cm. converts back to 98 sq. in. in imperial units. This is the same reason why Head calls its Prestige Mids 93 sq. in. when they are really 89.5 sq. in. It's all in the back-and-forth unit conversions and wanting nice marketing names.

 

[robbo1970]

But if you redefine what a "Midsize" is then you'll also have to redefine what a "Standard Size" is.

The name "Midsize" is short for "Middle Size", a name they came up with to describe racquet sizes in between "Standard Size" and "Oversize", which were already on the market.

And since they don't make 90s or smaller anymore, shouldn't a 95 now be the new "Standard Size"? But then would that make 90s now "Substandard Size"? LOL

Perhaps it's better just to leave it all alone since people have been using the familiar nomenclature for so long and messing with it will just cause more confusion? As it does on this board?

That's the whole problem now and what causes the bulk of disagreements.

When you think about it, with so many head size variations, what is 'standard' anymore.

Without having a defined 'standard' starting point, there's no way of applying terms for head sizes larger.

Ideally, we should refer to headsizes by measurement, for clarity. However, the majority of the most entertaining threads on here involve the word 'midsize', so we can stay as we are if we like and let the battles continue

 

[mawashi]

You've already ruined this thread with your typical nonsense comments.

Oh, and how does me talking about Mids in a thread about Mids "ruin" a thread? It seems to me anytime anyone writes anything you don't like to hear, you consider the thread has been "ruined".

And since you don't use a Mid and don't care for them, why are YOU even in this thread? Oh, yeah, you're just here to "ruin" it for others who do like Mids.

I knew it BP is here lol! What took so long, many too many arguments to deal with as usual. And as usual you're only assuming again that I don't like mids.

Since, you decided to make another bunch of useless posts it's popcorn time before this thread gets locked up as usual lol!

Switching to reading mode and leaving the scene of the crime lol!

Something BP has obviously never read lol!

 

[BreakPoint]

And as usual you're only assuming again that I don't like mids.

Yet your first post in this thread is not about a Mid but about me.

So which Mid do you use as your regular racquet?

Since, you decided to make another bunch of useless posts it's popcorn time before this thread gets locked up as usual lol!

"Useless posts"? Read all your posts in this thread and read all my posts in this thread and honestly tell us who's posts are "useless"?

 

[WYK]

90sqin is a mid... Plus

 

[mrravioli]

90sqin is a mid... Plus

Prince is kinda weird. They now call a 98 midsize.

 

[Ciaron]

So I use and prefer out of my whole classic collection the Puma BB Winner ... I'd guess the head size to be in the 90 or so area.

 

[BreakPoint]

Prince is kinda weird. They now call a 98 midsize.

Yup, according to Prince, a 90 was a "MidPlus"

But now Prince calls a 98 a "Midsize"?

http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Prince_Tour_98_Racquets/descpageRCPRINCE-PTR98.html

 

[BlueB]

Best mid is the one on the wall
If you absolutely have to play with a mid, then POG. It's the biggest "allowed" mid at 93, but the head is wide enough to play almost as a mid+.

 

[mr.torrence]

I knew it BP is here lol! What took so long, many too many arguments to deal with as usual. And as usual you're only assuming again that I don't like mids.

Since, you decided to make another bunch of useless posts it's popcorn time before this thread gets locked up as usual lol!

Switching to reading mode and leaving the scene of the crime lol!

Something BP has obviously never read lol!

mawashi...you're lol'ing these threads to death. Too much LOL is not good for you, or for anyone.

 

[FedBeckRas]

Pro Kennex Chromatic Ace: Sweet swinging and plush, one of the most comfortable frames I ever hit
Dunlop Biomimetic 100: Takes Aerogel 4D 100 and adds the needed heft
Volkl Organix 10 Mid: Surprisingly powerful, hits a heavy ball
Wilson Pro Staff 6.0 85: Faithful partner when your "ON"

 

[mawashi]

mawashi...you're lol'ing these threads to death. Too much LOL is not good for you, or for anyone.

I thought laughter was the best medicine and laughing at BP with his archaic knowledge is even better ROFL!

 

[BreakPoint]

I thought laughter was the best medicine and laughing at BP with his archaic knowledge is even better ROFL!

Yes, I list the same exact Mids as everyone else and somehow only my knowledge is "archaic".

 

[onehandbh]

That's because neither are Midsize frames.

What do you think of the special edition prostaff 85 in 95 sq inch headsize? It says, "Midsize 95" on the side of the throat.

 

[skraggle]

Maybe ask Breakpoint...he seems to have a lot of experience with mids.

For me, as follows:

PS85 (but way beyond my skill level)
Volkl V-Engine mid
Yonex RDX-500
Dunlop AG100
Dunlop 4D100



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[skraggle]

Yes, I list the same exact Mids as everyone else and somehow only my knowledge is "archaic".

Yes, my skills of observation are quite dull.

What string / tension do you play with in your AI98? It can be a pretty soft frame depending on how you string it.

The Wilson Pro Staff 90 is probably among the stiffest mid I hit with. I found the Pro Staff 85 to be more comfortable, and I have no doubt a classic prestige would be even more so. When you are dropping that much headsize from your normal stick you'll probably either want a higher stiffness or swingweight than you are used to. Alternatively string it softer like the gut you mentioned. I probably play best with my liquidmetal prestige mid from my sampling.

I've always been curious about the Pacific x feel 90

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[Christian Olsson]

Hate to say but prince textreme 95 is a very, very sweet mid. If 95 is a mid. Must try Volkl powerbridge mid though. And Angell 95.


Völkl super g 10 295 (now 330 g with og and dampener) in search for string..

 

[BlueB]

Hate to say but prince textreme 95 is a very, very sweet mid. If 95 is a mid. Must try Volkl powerbridge mid though. And Angell 95.


Völkl super g 10 295 (now 330 g with og and dampener) in search for string..

93 is a mid. 94 is a mid+

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[BreakPoint]

What do you think of the special edition prostaff 85 in 95 sq inch headsize? It says, "Midsize 95" on the side of the throat.

Yes, it is strange. Perhaps they mean it has a "Midsize" beam width? LOL

All I know is all of my PS 6.0 95s had "MIDPLUS 95" written on the side of the shaft and in the hoop. I guess some manufacturers play loose and fast with their head size nomenclature?

 

[WYK]

Best mid is the one on the wall
If you absolutely have to play with a mid, then POG. It's the biggest "allowed" mid at 93, but the head is wide enough to play almost as a mid+.

It also had the first ESP string bed at 14X18. This gave it great spin potential, power, and forgiveness for such a small package.I played a four stripe all through college, and it is still one of my favourite sticks to use today. The stability and solidity in stock form is astounding. It plays much bigger than it is when you hit the ball, but feels like a mid whilst swinging it.

 

[TripleB]

Prince Original Graphite Mid 93!

TripleB

 

[Say Chi Sin Lo]

Hate to say but prince textreme 95 is a very, very sweet mid. If 95 is a mid. Must try Volkl powerbridge mid though. And Angell 95.


Völkl super g 10 295 (now 330 g with og and dampener) in search for string..

Not a mid, not part of the discussion.

 

[onehandbh]

You might be right. The special editon 95 has the same 17mm width and box beam as the PS85 instead of the wider and more narrow beam in the regular PS 95 that was sold.

Yes, it is strange. Perhaps they mean it has a "Midsize" beam width? LOL

All I know is all of my PS 6.0 95s had "MIDPLUS 95" written on the side of the shaft and in the hoop. I guess some manufacturers play loose and fast with their head size nomenclature?

 

[robbo1970]

So what's standard size these days, which then defines what a midsize is? On the basis that there are no 'standard' 65's being made, I propose we use the following scales going forward.

85 - 93 = Standard
94 - 98 = Midsize
99 - 105 = Midplus
106+ = Oversize

These new scales are non-negotiable.

(I'm kidding of course, anyone has the right to refer to a racquet in any way they like. They may not be wholly accurate in their definition, but it's their choice)

 

[Christian Olsson]

93 is a mid. 94 is a mid+

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When I grew up, a 25% bigger head was a mid, 35% bigger were a midplus. Assuming it was 65 sq inch they calculated from (woodie), everything above 81 sq inch was a midplus so either we are both very wrong or times move on... ;-)

 

[robbo1970]

When I grew up, a 25% bigger head was a mid, 35% bigger were a midplus. Assuming it was 65 sq inch they calculated from (woodie), everything above 81 sq inch was a midplus so either we are both very wrong or times move on... ;-)

This is the thing. Whether we can accept it or not, time has moved on. In reality, some of us are still measuring head size terminology against wooden racquets, and I'm one of them, but I do think now that I am wrong and out of date.

You only have to look at the older Prestige Graphite Pro and POG's that state they are a Mid-Plus, to see how the times have changed.

If standard sizing has shifted along from 65 to those around the 90-93 range, then everything else must either shift along or we just retire those phrases with our old woods.

There's too much opportunity for argument or confusion by using specific terms to categorise racquet head sizes, particularly when our starting point is no longer in production.

Going forward, I am going to use the following descriptions:

Woodies
Racquet with a (square inches) head

Feel free to join me. Up the revolution!

 

[Alex78]

Guys, just forget about the stupid nomenclature altogether, even if some of you get wet dreams about your "Mids" - it's been made very clear that these labels are totally misleading and meaningless.
The only information which is at least comparatively reliable - we all know the problems with manufacturer's claims about head sizes - is head size in square inches or square centimeters.
So ban the words "Mid", "MidPlus", "Oversize" etc. because we DON'T NEED THEM.

 

[robbo1970]

Guys, just forget about the stupid nomenclature altogether, even if some of you get wet dreams about your "Mids" - it's been made very clear that these labels are totally misleading and meaningless.
The only information which is at least comparatively reliable - we all know the problems with manufacturer's claims about head sizes - is head size in square inches or square centimeters.
So ban the words "Mid", "MidPlus", "Oversize" etc. because we DON'T NEED THEM.

Exactly what I said...more or less.

Too many variations and historical changes in the definitions to make them relevant anymore.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls41]

Mid = smallish looking head
Midplus = mediumish sized head
Oversize = big azz head

there, done.

 

[Anton]

Ok this nonsense has to stop. From here on this is TW Forum standard for size reference.

Small: Less than 85"
Mid: 85-94"
MidPlus: 95-100"
Oversized: Over 100"

All in favor say aye.

 

[BlueB]

Ok this nonsense has to stop. From here on this is TW Forum standard for size reference.

Small: Less than 85"
Mid: 85-94"
MidPlus: 95-100"
Oversized: Over 100"

All in favor say aye.

No
The current trend is:
Small <84
Mid 84-93
Mid+ 94-103
OS >103

The prople few posts above are right. We don't need those words. Surface area is enough...

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[jonestim]

So what's standard size these days, which then defines what a midsize is? On the basis that there are no 'standard' 65's being made, I propose we use the following scales going forward.

85 - 93 = Standard
94 - 98 = Midsize
99 - 105 = Midplus
106+ = Oversize

These new scales are non-negotiable.

(I'm kidding of course, anyone has the right to refer to a racquet in any way they like. They may not be wholly accurate in their definition, but it's their choice)

You forgot that a 107 can sometimes be a "Midplus+" - yes, Midplusplus.

 

[Anton]

No
The current trend is:
Small <84
Mid 84-93
Mid+ 94-103
OS >103

The prople few posts above are right. We don't need those words. Surface area is enough...

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Ok fine use that, just lets get on the same page +/- an inch doesn't matter.

 

[BorgCash]

Yonex RD-7!!!!!

Plus its paint job is nice too.

It's a great stick but it's a mid plus.

 

[BorgCash]

I wasn't aware that the Head Pro came in black. Do you have a picture? Here are mine:

It's a very good frame, very precise, the headsize is about 65, the handle is not good and a little soft for me..

 

[BorgCash]

For my style of playing I choose PS 85 and Lendl's Kneissl or Adidas.

 

[sarmpas]

Another thread for BP to ruin... here BP, here BP... I'm just here for the popcorn and not much else since, the broken record that's BP doesn't have many tracks to choose from anyway lol!

All time classics are never stale.

 

[Sander001]

Deal with it

 

[BreakPoint]

Deal with it

Not a Midsize.

 

[Sander001]

Not a Midsize.

Yes it is

 

[wsk429]

that´s a beauty. unfortunately i don´t own one at the moment
i was talking about this racquet

I used to play with these in the 80's. No BS technology gimmick. Just solid graphite from hoop to handle. Compared to today's sticks, that was club.

 

[BreakPoint]

Yes it is

Wilson calling a 97 a "Midsize"? Only in your wildest dreams.

So a "Midsize" is bigger than a "Midplus"?

 

[Sander001]

Wilson calling a 97 a "Midsize"? Only in your wildest dreams.

So a "Midsize" is bigger than a "Midplus"?

That's likely a fake. Here's a real Wilson with the genuine Wilson hologram sticker

 

[BreakPoint]

That's likely a fake. Here's a real Wilson with the genuine Wilson hologram sticker

"Fake"? The whole point of making a fake is to copy a real racquet to fool buyers into thinking it's real. Why would they copy a decal that says "MIDPLUS 93" if no such real racquet even exists? And the hologram sticker is usually on the other side of the shaft from where the grip size sticker is anyway.

And since when is a 95 a 97?

A hologram doesn't prove anything but if a hologram is what you want:

 

[Lavs]

The best mid racket I played in my early 20th is iPrestige Mid

 

[Sander001]

"Fake"?

They have typos on fakes all the time. And that's not a hologram, that's a tiny picture with something half cut off. That's how scammers and fraudsters like you try to fool people and now you're caught red handed

 

[Christian Olsson]

Another sweet mid is the Super g 330 mid (96 sq inch)

 

[wsk429]

Rec players back then used sticks not too different than the pros. What happened to today's rec folks? The sticks now are hollow and insubstantial. I know people are more fit but they seem weak at the same time.