Best way to generate topspin?

NuBas

Legend
Is it watching the ball and brushing the felt from the back, swinging low to high, brushing over the ball, faster racquet head speed, swinging slower, a full long swing, windshield wiper motion, or something else?

I have spin but not enough and sometimes I kind of hit like a WTA player but want to know the secret to more topspin. Thanks.
 
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Bender

G.O.A.T.
There really is no secret to it, other than brushing the ball from low to high, and / or with a slightly closed racquet face.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Just swing forward with the racket face slightly closed. You will instinctively swing up or the ball will go into the net. You will need a ton of power, translating into fast racket head speed, to swing this way. That is it.
 

NuBas

Legend
I have tons of power and most of my shots are deep, land within the court and its fast but for some reason I just cannot figure out topspin or at least heavy topspin. When my shots are off, they never go into the net ever but do go long.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I have tons of power and most of my shots are deep, land within the court and its fast but for some reason I just cannot figure out topspin or at least heavy topspin. When my shots are off, they never go into the net ever but do go long.
I dont see the issue if you hit deep all the time....

Check out this vid. IMHO if you follow it and raise your trajectory, you will HAVE to hit with topspin to keep it all in with the same amount of pace.


Also I think you need some acceleration for topspin and if you have long fluid strokes as flat hitters usually have, that could be a problem. Try the Wegner "find the ball and pull back" advice.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
Heh. People won't like this answer - but its almost always swing faster. Assuming you do in your normal swing let the racquet get below the ball - keep the contact point out in front and hit it with a slight closed face - you will generate topspin. The more RHS you have - the more topspin you will get. The tricky part is grooving your stroke enough such that you have the confidence to believe that swinging faster won't send the ball long..
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
I have tons of power and most of my shots are deep, land within the court and its fast but for some reason I just cannot figure out topspin or at least heavy topspin. When my shots are off, they never go into the net ever but do go long.
Salzenstein (On Line Coach) said that when he got nervous and start hitting long he'd use the "Buggy Whip" to add top spin and get into a point and hopefully his rhythm back. You could learn a "Buggy Whip" forehand. It allows you to hit hit out a bit but with safety. It's the be all to end all but has it's place.

Hitting the ball "Faster" or "Harder" will not work. If the balls going long hitting if faster will only make it go longer. You have to change the stroke before you hit it "Faster", effectively put more of your energy into rotational motion and less into linear motion. This basically means ripping up the back of the ball more.

Shoud mentioned Wegner, and you might find his older video's on youtube. He recommends hitting around / across the ball high to low which generals topspin and side spin. I think off memory it allows for more high to low action more naturally as the body is a lot of rotational movements. Also promotes hitting the ball out in front and watching the ball carefully as you need to concentrate on the bottom RHS of the ball. Salzenstien's buggy whip on a low mid-court ball is very similar.

Also you really need a Semi Western grip, otherwise you have to hit like Federer and use "lagging wrist" to generate spin which is not exactly easy, requires a lot of timing and if you had that then your flat shots would be going in like Agassi.
 

bitcoinoperated

Professional
Heh. People won't like this answer - but its almost always swing faster.

This, people who don't hit topspin get tentative and don't get the racquet head speed necessary. A lot of flat hitters (and servers) have a mental block when it comes to the racquet going one way and the ball off on another trajectory.
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
Let more of the energy go into brushing rather than driving the ball. It has 3 elements: racquet face angle at contact, swing angle ( low to high thing ) and the racquet head speed. Play around with these. There is no secret.
 

RobS

Rookie
As mentioned, the mechanics are low to high, slightly closed racquet and racquet speed. When trying to transition from hitting hard and flat, I found it helpful to visualize and focus on shot shape. By shot shape, I'm talking about getting some arc on the ball. Start short court and try to keep the ball inside the service line while taking slow speed but full swings, low to high. That will help give you the feel for brushing up the ball and giving it some shape. You can also actually see the rotation on the ball when your applying spin in the short court which is helpful feedback. Progressively move back and increase your swing speed and net clearance. Once you get to the baseline you should keep focus on the shot shape and go for 3'+ net clearance. Focusing on the shot shape and net clearance is going to instinctively help your mechanics. Check out youtube videos that show pro players practicing at court level with the camera positioned behind the baseline. In particular, when they're warming up and not at full speed, you'll still see a good amount of arc and spin on the ball but they're still swinging easy enough for you to get a good visual of the swing path. Watch Kyrgios in the 1st minute of the video.

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FuzzyYellowBalls41

Guest
forehand = semi western grip and strong brushing motion + windshield wiper motion.
backhand = for one handers, eastern grip for sure gets tons of spin with a nice long loopy motion. but my two hander i could never hit a ton of topspin, i just drive it as hard as i can and usually it goes in most of the time. i just think winner or near winner on every backhand. flat.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
Let more of the energy go into brushing rather than driving the ball. It has 3 elements: racquet face angle at contact, swing angle ( low to high thing ) and the racquet head speed. Play around with these. There is no secret.

Right. One caveat though is that natural swing shape is a bit of a pendulum - or a parabola so its critical you catch the ball out in front. What happens with most rec players is they don't have the right swing shape - or they catch the ball late. With of these things you can hit topspin. So timing is very critical.

If you get a chance to hit with some of the better players - you will find they generate topspin without trying to hit 'topspin'. This is because they have these elements down. So their 'rally' ball has good spin and they are comfortable with taking a full cut at the ball. When you are learning though there is a chance you will absolutely shank the ball. :p Or send it right to the back fence. That's because the RHS needed to generate good topspin will have these kind of results when you miss.

This is why sadly when you get pretty good you will find strings and racquet does actually help. Because you can do the same thing that generates pretty decent topspin with a multi and you might have 'too much' top with poly. :p (AKA your ball is landing short without enough velocity even though you are taking 'full' comfortable cuts).
 
Depends on the grip. Eastern: bent your wrist. Semi Western: make sure you generate some extra headspeed just before moment of impact, also make sure the minimum height of your swing is lower than normal, this gives you extra time+space for the extra headspeed
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
I would say with topspin the most acceleration should be just before the hit.
Racquet head speed at ball impact, that's what counts right? Why would the result be different whether you reached that speed with a smooth fast swing or a relatively slow but faster at contact type of swing if they both have the same final speed? To be honest I know and feel what you mean by the way;)
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
Release the racquet into the ball, kind of like throwing it (except you don't actually lose your hold on the racquet) with fast RHS at a steepish low to high angle going across the body rather than parallel to it.
 

SystemicAnomaly

Bionic Poster
How do you do that? Is it possible to alter the speed in the middle of the swing?
Racquet head speed at ball impact, that's what counts right? Why would the result be different whether you reached that speed with a smooth fast swing or a relatively slow but faster at contact type of swing if they both have the same final speed? To be honest I know and feel what you mean by the way;)

Once the backswing/downswing transitions to a forward swing there is a gradual acceleration of the racquet forward. This culminates in a burst of RHS, just prior to contact, into the ball. Some refer to this as "lag and release". This type of swing pattern (slow to fast) should improve timing -- it makes it much easier to contact the ball at the proper time IMO. Your smooth fast swing will probably not have much of a lag effect. You will probably release some of your stretched muscle groups prematurely and not get the optimal lag/release effect.

It appears that both Kevin Garlinton and Tomaz (Feel Tennis) advocate slow/fast pattern. However, they explain it quite differently. Tomaz cautions against accelerating too suddenly or much too early in the forward swing. At first his explanation does quite make sense but then he explains what he means by his earlier statement. I like the VRRROOOOM approach he uses.

http://www.feeltennis.net/fewer-mistakes-power/


Check out what Kevin G has to say -- particularly at 2:35 in the video below.

 

bitcoinoperated

Professional
Release the racquet into the ball, kind of like throwing it (except you don't actually lose your hold on the racquet) with fast RHS at a steepish low to high angle going across the body rather than parallel to it.

make sure you generate some extra headspeed just before moment of impact

I would say with topspin the most acceleration should be just before the hit. A short energy explosion.

I know people can have different mental cues but both these ^ are a recipe for mishits making sudden changes and movements right before hitting the ball. No golfer 'releases' or does a bit extra just before connecting with the ball, they sweep smoothly and strongly right the way through the stroke as we do in tennis.
 

Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
Is it watching the ball and brushing the felt from the back, swinging low to high, brushing over the ball, faster racquet head speed, swinging slower, a full long swing, windshield wiper motion, or something else?

I have spin but not enough and sometimes I kind of hit like a WTA player but want to know the secret to more topspin. Thanks.

There is only one way to generate topspin - a low to high swing path. The steeper your swing path, and the greater your racquet head speed, the more topspin you will generate.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
There is only one way to generate topspin - a low to high swing path. The steeper your swing path, and the greater your racquet head speed, the more topspin you will generate.

Nah. Dude - if you swing with a very closed face with a linear swing path (not up or down just straight) the close face itself will create considerable spin. Now this is easy to see if you know how to hit a slice serve. Toss ball to normal position for flat serve - but do not fully square up racquet before contact - but instead contact ball with racquet on edge. Ball will going flying to the left of course but will have additional spin on it.

Now in the real world - you have to compensate for the slightly closed face with a low to high swing path. This is the only way to generate spin and keep the ball in the court..

You can see this is the TW shot creator if you are interested..
 

Curious

G.O.A.T.
Again it's very simple, has 3 elements: closed racquet face at contact, low to high swing, fast swing. How much of each element you put into the shot makes the difference. You give the same ingredients and the same recipe to different people to make the same dish and one of them makes the best. You gotta accept it:p
 

GuyClinch

Legend
I know people can have different mental cues but both these ^ are a recipe for mishits making sudden changes and movements right before hitting the ball. No golfer 'releases' or does a bit extra just before connecting with the ball, they sweep smoothly and strongly right the way through the stroke as we do in tennis.

I think your concern is valid - go out there and try the late acceleration and you might see some jerky slow swing. Even worse it would involve a lot of what people (incorrectly) call 'arming'

What we really need to settle these kind of questions is some kind of muscle activation recording when a pro swings the tennis racquet. As that is what is really relevant to the tennis players.

I believe the best theory is that if we had some kind of graph/display we would see the muscle relaxing to allow the racquet to drop - followed by the lower body muscles that eventually turn the hips becoming active. Followed by muscles in the shoulder area and becoming active in the final segement.
That's in a high level player in a rally stroke.

then if we looked at the amateur we would see them mostly using just the shoulder muscles (aka) arming the racquet the entire way. Not an expert on golf but it doesn't feel like the exact same segements in golf.. In that its gravity hips - but at no stage is their really 'arm' involved. It is a different stroke.

I think the sudden acceleration thing is really letting the arm come into the shot some during the final segement of the stroke..

now this might all sound like crazy talk to some people.. But if you want to see how to hit tennis balls fast with very little arm - this is a good demo..if a bit weird..


Don't agree really with everything he says - but what he is demonstrating is basically hitting with hips (and a little gravity). Because the elbow can't move you cannot 'arm' the ball. Arming the ball is something everyone around here talks about - but few people can really describe what is going wrong. This video is one of the best at showing people what 'using the body' really means..

Kevin's relaxing stuff seems okay - but it can very easily lead to softly gripped 'arm' shots - and not people really using their hips and rotational power.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
I know people can have different mental cues but both these ^ are a recipe for mishits making sudden changes and movements right before hitting the ball. No golfer 'releases' or does a bit extra just before connecting with the ball, they sweep smoothly and strongly right the way through the stroke as we do in tennis.

I never said it had to be sudden nor that the release should occur just before hitting the ball. Look, I can only try to put it into words up to a point. Finally, there is no alternative to trying out things in the court until you get it. The sensation of releasing the racquet is highly pertinent to me as otherwise I would not be able to get the desired racquet head speed. And high RHS is necessary if you are facing hard hit balls with heavy topspin; the only way to hit them back without pulling long is to swing through very fast. And if you hold too tight, you will expend too much effort when you try to swing fast. One thing I agree on - yes, initially you will make a lot of mishits when you try to hit a forehand in this way with a very loose hold as if the racquet might slip away from you. With practice, you can maintain form and consistently make good contact. No pain, no gain. It is necessary to make a lot of mistakes to develop a good stroke.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
I like lot of the stuff that Clay Ballard (Top Speed Tennis) presents. Not too crazy, however, about his Lag & Snap terminology. Much prefer Lag & Release.

Lag & Release is the next, more advanced step.

BTW, just got his last video abt mastering your 1HBH. Now he speaks of lag and release.
 
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rkelley

Hall of Fame
Nah. Dude - if you swing with a very closed face with a linear swing path (not up or down just straight) the close face itself will create considerable spin. Now this is easy to see if you know how to hit a slice serve. Toss ball to normal position for flat serve - but do not fully square up racquet before contact - but instead contact ball with racquet on edge. Ball will going flying to the left of course but will have additional spin on it.

Now in the real world - you have to compensate for the slightly closed face with a low to high swing path. This is the only way to generate spin and keep the ball in the court..

You can see this is the TW shot creator if you are interested..

IMO what's described above is the completely opposite way you should think about this. Like Limpin said, think about generating the topspin from the low to high swing. Close or open the racquet face as required to get the ball the desired height over the net.
 

FedMex

Rookie
I rarely comment but this topic is very near and dear to me as I have just taken my game to the next level with massive racquet head speed. for some background, i'm a 4.0 player with technically very effortless and seemingly much more advanced strokes.

I recently learned this idea of "trust myself and swinging all out in practice" (to where I realized I could get another level of RHS and the ball would not go out). Before trying to incorporate this other level of active playing, I hit more like what Clay is demonstrating in the video above. He is not loading as much and not really describing the lag that can come from a hip whip action just ahead of the forward motion.

He is showing a lag that can happen with a modest hip action or step in that is unconscious and more "rally like", i.e. you are not trying to impose your full will on the other player. This is how most people talk about the lag (in the forearm SSC) That's how I played for several years, a lazy footwork style without small shuffle steps and tension in the legs and torso while I had my back swing dropping before exploding. My new coach, who played wimbledon dubs in the 70's and is somehow very modern in his teaching, is the first coach i've found that is teaching me this idea of waiting a second later and recognizing how much time I have after the ball bounces. He is focusing on full acceleration to full power during our training on hand tossed and net fed balls (not sure how I'll do with a heavy ball player hitting to me yet). He taught in Germany after his playing days, says he had Fed in his class when Fed was 8, and is encouraging me to not think. He says the European system is very different and he has relayed totally different metaphors to describe the modern FH and how to advance from an advanced recreational level. He has added a hop in my footwork as well to encourage active use of the lower body to explode. At times, I revert to a more linear impact through the ball and it goes long, but the philosophy is keep feeding, don't think about it and keep playing and the good athlete course corrects. Sure enough, that happens as he instructs me to be softer on the ball (brush on it and feel it roll across strings --even if you can't) and get around the ball with more RHS. it is full power with control.

I sort of agree with this description from above:

I believe the best theory is that if we had some kind of graph/display we would see the muscle relaxing to allow the racquet to drop - followed by the lower body muscles that eventually turn the hips becoming active. Followed by muscles in the shoulder area and becoming active in the final segement.
That's in a high level player in a rally stroke.

There are degrees on whether it's a rally stroke or a playing stroke. When watch pro's live there are 3 states: slow rally, neutral rally, and aggressive match play. The hip and leg action is incrementally more active with each. The lag more delayed and the release more explosive. Look at Fed 2004-2008 and his lag while he waited a split second longer for the ball is impressive, his whip and racquet head speed on another level to even other Top 10 players.

Pro's learn to hit each stoke with full abandon. It's the stroke that lifts Fed's back foot on the OHBH but doesn't while he's warming up. This is the level of acceleration that has him swivel in the air during a ballet type baseline drive of his or on his front foot when coming in during the 1-2 punch, but you don't see it in warm-up.

See the difference between the stroke at 1:06 and 1:36. 1:36 has what I'm talking about and closer to the match play velocity:
1:36 shot also has the hop I'm describing in the footwork.

The recreational rally stroke is more like what Feel Tennis says is the VROOOM. That's how I've been playing for a long time and it looks good, but is less consistently heavy. the other level is more active and requires better shape. There is racquet head acceleration with the VROOM but it's due to a wrap around from the smaller arm muscles near the forearm that optically make it happen. more Oscar Wegner-ish as he describes pulling for example. it also feels faster than it is perhaps. On video, i was always surprised how slow the stroke can still look. when i practice with this coach, it's a true whip with full abandon and my shoulders and body end up rotating completely. The post impact feel of it is like hitting nirvana, with quite a bit of unconscious stuff going on in the forearm muscles to get around the ball. at this speed, you cannot be thinking it, your muscles just have to have the neural pathways ironed in to move that fast. i also don't believe you can be thinking about closing a racquet head 5%, to me it just happens after having been trained along time.
 
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TennisCJC

Legend
One thing to not try that you mention in the 1st post - do NOT roll over the ball. To get more topspin, steeper angle up, make sure racket is very slightly closed at contact, and speed up the swing a bit.
 

atp2015

Hall of Fame
Is it watching the ball and brushing the felt from the back, swinging low to high, brushing over the ball, faster racquet head speed, swinging slower, a full long swing, windshield wiper motion, or something else?

I have spin but not enough and sometimes I kind of hit like a WTA player but want to know the secret to more topspin. Thanks.

Just three things to generate top spin -
1 create a C shaped swing path through the ball with straight arm and laid back wrist (wrist should be in laid back position until at least the contact)
2 ensure the bottom of the C is at least one feet below the ball
3 once you reach the end of the C shape, wrap your arm around you with racket pointing to the back fence (follow-through is very important to keep the shot consistent)

You might think the C shape will send the ball to the moon(or at least into the sky) - but trust it for a while and keep swinging with SW grip and you will be amazed by the result.
 

Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
Nah. Dude - if you swing with a very closed face with a linear swing path (not up or down just straight) the close face itself will create considerable spin. Now this is easy to see if you know how to hit a slice serve. Toss ball to normal position for flat serve - but do not fully square up racquet before contact - but instead contact ball with racquet on edge. Ball will going flying to the left of course but will have additional spin on it.

Now in the real world - you have to compensate for the slightly closed face with a low to high swing path. This is the only way to generate spin and keep the ball in the court..

You can see this is the TW shot creator if you are interested..

I don't agree. The newest ball flight laws (developed in golf), demonstrate that the angle of the club face determines direction and the swing path determines spin. I see no reason why the same laws don't also apply to tennis. Although the strings of a tennis racquet do grip the ball moreso than a golf club, any spin generated by racquet face angle is minimal. The swing path is primarily what generates spin.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Topspin huh?

Real talk: Racquet face is perpendicular to the ground, and the spin is determined by the racquet head speed and the direction the racquet face is moving in at contact. More topspin means higher racquet head speed/a stronger vertical velocity component.

Feel talk: Many ways to say what it feels like one is doing to achieve the above result in pupils. One of them is "brushing up the ball", another is "start low end high" another is "swing like a windshield wiper", etc.
 
I'm going to try and help you without any explanation of racquet face, swing path, etc. Because it didn't help me all that well and I believe the best way to "get it" is to actually feel it.

So, easy drill. Go get a two toned trainer ball (stripes), and once you start hitting this, you will see clearly how much spin you're imparting on the ball. You will instinctively figure out how to increase the spin. Play mini tennis like this for a bit and voila, your strokes will change (mine did).

To all the technical posters, yes it does equate to higher racquet head speed and low to high swing path. It's just way easier to see it and feel the difference, than it is to imagine and execute a new technique blindly.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
I rarely comment but this topic is very near and dear to me as I have just taken my game to the next level with massive racquet head speed. for some background, i'm a 4.0 player with technically very effortless and seemingly much more advanced strokes.

I recently learned this idea of "trust myself and swinging all out in practice" (to where I realized I could get another level of RHS and the ball would not go out). Before trying to incorporate this other level of active playing, I hit more like what Clay is demonstrating in the video above. He is not loading as much and not really describing the lag that can come from a hip whip action just ahead of the forward motion.

He is showing a lag that can happen with a modest hip action or step in that is unconscious and more "rally like", i.e. you are not trying to impose your full will on the other player. This is how most people talk about the lag (in the forearm SSC) That's how I played for several years, a lazy footwork style without small shuffle steps and tension in the legs and torso while I had my back swing dropping before exploding. My new coach, who played wimbledon dubs in the 70's and is somehow very modern in his teaching, is the first coach i've found that is teaching me this idea of waiting a second later and recognizing how much time I have after the ball bounces. He is focusing on full acceleration to full power during our training on hand tossed and net fed balls (not sure how I'll do with a heavy ball player hitting to me yet). He taught in Germany after his playing days, says he had Fed in his class when Fed was 8, and is encouraging me to not think. He says the European system is very different and he has relayed totally different metaphors to describe the modern FH and how to advance from an advanced recreational level. He has added a hop in my footwork as well to encourage active use of the lower body to explode. At times, I revert to a more linear impact through the ball and it goes long, but the philosophy is keep feeding, don't think about it and keep playing and the good athlete course corrects. Sure enough, that happens as he instructs me to be softer on the ball (brush on it and feel it roll across strings --even if you can't) and get around the ball with more RHS. it is full power with control.

I sort of agree with this description from above:

I believe the best theory is that if we had some kind of graph/display we would see the muscle relaxing to allow the racquet to drop - followed by the lower body muscles that eventually turn the hips becoming active. Followed by muscles in the shoulder area and becoming active in the final segement.
That's in a high level player in a rally stroke.

There are degrees on whether it's a rally stroke or a playing stroke. When watch pro's live there are 3 states: slow rally, neutral rally, and aggressive match play. The hip and leg action is incrementally more active with each. The lag more delayed and the release more explosive. Look at Fed 2004-2008 and his lag while he waited a split second longer for the ball is impressive, his whip and racquet head speed on another level to even other Top 10 players.

Pro's learn to hit each stoke with full abandon. It's the stroke that lifts Fed's back foot on the OHBH but doesn't while he's warming up. This is the level of acceleration that has him swivel in the air during a ballet type baseline drive of his or on his front foot when coming in during the 1-2 punch, but you don't see it in warm-up.

See the difference between the stroke at 1:06 and 1:36. 1:36 has what I'm talking about and closer to the match play velocity:
1:36 shot also has the hop I'm describing in the footwork.

The recreational rally stroke is more like what Feel Tennis says is the VROOOM. That's how I've been playing for a long time and it looks good, but is less consistently heavy. the other level is more active and requires better shape. There is racquet head acceleration with the VROOM but it's due to a wrap around from the smaller arm muscles near the forearm that optically make it happen. more Oscar Wegner-ish as he describes pulling for example. it also feels faster than it is perhaps. On video, i was always surprised how slow the stroke can still look. when i practice with this coach, it's a true whip with full abandon and my shoulders and body end up rotating completely. The post impact feel of it is like hitting nirvana, with quite a bit of unconscious stuff going on in the forearm muscles to get around the ball. at this speed, you cannot be thinking it, your muscles just have to have the neural pathways ironed in to move that fast. i also don't believe you can be thinking about closing a racquet head 5%, to me it just happens after having been trained along time.


I practiced this swing with full abandon tonight and it worked very well, I used it more for pace than topspin. I don't have problem with hitting topspin but this definitely helped with spin also but I was happy with how many shots that I really crushed and they went in at a high %.

Even on my shakey 2 handed backhand it worked well. On shorter lower shots that I am often hesitant on I just swung away really fast and hit some of the best shots I have ever hit. Definitely going to practice this swinging fast and freely more.
 

NuBas

Legend
Just three things to generate top spin -
1 create a C shaped swing path through the ball with straight arm and laid back wrist (wrist should be in laid back position until at least the contact)
2 ensure the bottom of the C is at least one feet below the ball
3 once you reach the end of the C shape, wrap your arm around you with racket pointing to the back fence (follow-through is very important to keep the shot consistent)

You might think the C shape will send the ball to the moon(or at least into the sky) - but trust it for a while and keep swinging with SW grip and you will be amazed by the result.

Thank you. When I do brush up my forehand tends to fly to the back fence and maybe its because I am not brushing fast enough or following through. Is the C shaped for a right handed forehand, like brushing counter clockwise on a clock from 6 to 12? Recently I have been adjusting the way I hit by not hitting through the ball more but instead focusing on the racquet face brushing and moving fast and full through the ball.

Previously my shots were heavy for opponents because they were deep, had pace and power but I never knew my shots lacked topspin that badly.

I'm going to try and help you without any explanation of racquet face, swing path, etc. Because it didn't help me all that well and I believe the best way to "get it" is to actually feel it.

So, easy drill. Go get a two toned trainer ball (stripes), and once you start hitting this, you will see clearly how much spin you're imparting on the ball. You will instinctively figure out how to increase the spin. Play mini tennis like this for a bit and voila, your strokes will change (mine did).

To all the technical posters, yes it does equate to higher racquet head speed and low to high swing path. It's just way easier to see it and feel the difference, than it is to imagine and execute a new technique blindly.

Funny I have recently started to watch the ball spin off of my forehand and instead of spinning vertically they have a side spin more kind of like Earth's spinning.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Thank you. When I do brush up my forehand tends to fly to the back fence and maybe its because I am not brushing fast enough or following through. Is the C shaped for a right handed forehand, like brushing counter clockwise on a clock from 6 to 12? Recently I have been adjusting the way I hit by not hitting through the ball more but instead focusing on the racquet face brushing and moving fast and full through the ball.

Previously my shots were heavy for opponents because they were deep, had pace and power but I never knew my shots lacked topspin that badly.



Funny I have recently started to watch the ball spin off of my forehand and instead of spinning vertically they have a side spin more kind of like Earth's spinning.
Are you correctly pronating at contact?
 

Limpinhitter

G.O.A.T.
Thank you. When I do brush up my forehand tends to fly to the back fence and maybe its because I am not brushing fast enough or following through. Is the C shaped for a right handed forehand, like brushing counter clockwise on a clock from 6 to 12? Recently I have been adjusting the way I hit by not hitting through the ball more but instead focusing on the racquet face brushing and moving fast and full through the ball.

Previously my shots were heavy for opponents because they were deep, had pace and power but I never knew my shots lacked topspin that badly.



Funny I have recently started to watch the ball spin off of my forehand and instead of spinning vertically they have a side spin more kind of like Earth's spinning.

If your swing path is low to high and you are launching the ball into the back fence, it can only be because your racquet face is too open at contact.
 

Imago

Hall of Fame
Funny I have recently started to watch the ball spin off of my forehand and instead of spinning vertically they have a side spin more kind of like Earth's spinning.
Too much lag and no release. Many women players do the same.
 
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FuzzyYellowBalls41

Guest
you need an aggressive whipping motion on the forehand. an aggressive whip low to high with a semi windsheild wiper motion or finish. i don't now how else to explain it other than that. it's worked for me for over 10 years.
 

LeeD

Bionic Poster
Totally depends on the skills, atheticism, desires, and mental outlook of the player involved.
Guys with slow twitch muscles can never hit hard topspin shots because they can't generate fast swing speeds. Yet they can hit hard flat shots using good posture and short direct swings.
Human's are all different, but generally, the top tennis player's all do have long fast swing speeds, just some...DelPo-Berdyk, hit flatter faster, while other's hit with more spin and slower moving balls.
 

chikoo

Hall of Fame
The vector resulting from pushing forward and going up at the same time results in top spin. Which also means the force imparted to the ball is roughly half than if you were punching it face on,and therefore you need to provide more force to the ball. Since mass of the racquet is constant, acceleration is what you can control. Hence higher RHS/swing speed is needed to push the ball to where you need to compared to the flat face punch it back.
 
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