Bigservesofthands classification of the various stroke styles that have evolved or likely to evolve

[rogerroger917]

You actually broke someone's wrist returning a groundstroke? Wow.

 

[Saul Goode]

I hear the vagrant population is exploding there

 

[bigservesofthands]

Not only is PoMo unbeatable, it can win matches with a single stroke if the opponent is foolish enough to try to return a PoMo stroke. I certainly understand your reluctance to reveal all the PoMo and PoPoMo strokes to the general public now. Great power, great responsibility and all that.

You actually broke someone's wrist returning a groundstroke? Wow.

It was a freak incident. But did give me pause about using these shots at the recreational level. The person is question is a very good player (4.5), late 30s and plays a heavy loopy top spin game. The shot was hit from the baseline right towards him landing a few inches in front of him. It was going slightly across his body with inside out side spin. He was caught in two minds whether to take it on the forehand or the back hand and was in the process of changing grips and bring the second hand into play and got jammed. The normal reflex would have been to drop the racquet or let the racquet wobble to protect the joints. It also made contact at an awkward spot on the racquet close to the throat and in the bottom half. He got hairline fractures and was out for a month or so. It was not a good feeling to see it happen. Reminded me of the Murray/Bennateau incident where Benneateau hurt his wrist by falling on it. In this case it was a direct result of my shot and not because the opponent fell. He was in pain. Until that point I had felt that I was being wronged not being allowed to play since I am playing by the rules of tennis and higher level recreational players should be able to handle my shots. Now that these shots are trending towards the upper range of what even the pros hit, I am now seeing value in self restricting them in recreational play.

Before this it was fairly common for me to hit the racquet out of peoples hands (especially light weight big head rackets that rec players typically use). I cracked an opponents racket and cracked a couple of mine perfecting these strokes. All this seemed harmless fun.

But seeing the guy injured gave me pause. I need to find a way to advance these strokes without hurting non-professional folks.

I am guessing box guards, eye protection (like racquet ball) and wrist braces might become common if these strokes catch on.

 

[rogerroger917]

It was a freak incident. But did give me pause about using these shots at the recreational level. The person is question is a very good player (4.5), late 30s and plays a heavy loopy top spin game. The shot was hit from the baseline right towards him landing a few inches in front of him. It was going slightly across his body with inside out side spin. He was caught in two minds whether to take it on the forehand or the back hand and was in the process of changing grips and bring the second hand into play and got jammed. The normal reflex would have been to drop the racquet or let the racquet wobble to protect the joints. It also made contact at an awkward spot on the racquet close to the throat and in the bottom half. He got hairline fractures and was out for a month or so. It was not a good feeling to see it happen. Reminded me of the Murray/Bennateau incident where Benneateau hurt his wrist by falling on it. In this case it was a direct result of my shot and not because the opponent fell. He was in pain. Until that point I had felt that I was being wronged not being allowed to play since I am playing by the rules of tennis and higher level recreational players should be able to handle my shots. Now that these shots are trending towards the upper range of what even the pros hit, I am now seeing value in self restricting them in recreational play.

Before this it was fairly common for me to hit the racquet out of peoples hands (especially light weight big head rackets that rec players typically use). I cracked an opponents racket and cracked a couple of mine perfecting these strokes. All this seemed harmless fun.

But seeing the guy injured gave me pause. I need to find a way to advance these strokes without hurting non-professional folks.

I am guessing box guards, eye protection (like racquet ball) and wrist braces might become common if these strokes catch on.

I think you need to play pro events now. And then finally the ATP. How long do you think it will take to make it to the us open main draw? 6 months? A year?

 

[StringSnapper]

It was a freak incident. But did give me pause about using these shots at the recreational level. The person is question is a very good player (4.5), late 30s and plays a heavy loopy top spin game. The shot was hit from the baseline right towards him landing a few inches in front of him. It was going slightly across his body with inside out side spin. He was caught in two minds whether to take it on the forehand or the back hand and was in the process of changing grips and bring the second hand into play and got jammed. The normal reflex would have been to drop the racquet or let the racquet wobble to protect the joints. It also made contact at an awkward spot on the racquet close to the throat and in the bottom half. He got hairline fractures and was out for a month or so. It was not a good feeling to see it happen. Reminded me of the Murray/Bennateau incident where Benneateau hurt his wrist by falling on it. In this case it was a direct result of my shot and not because the opponent fell. He was in pain. Until that point I had felt that I was being wronged not being allowed to play since I am playing by the rules of tennis and higher level recreational players should be able to handle my shots. Now that these shots are trending towards the upper range of what even the pros hit, I am now seeing value in self restricting them in recreational play.

Before this it was fairly common for me to hit the racquet out of peoples hands (especially light weight big head rackets that rec players typically use). I cracked an opponents racket and cracked a couple of mine perfecting these strokes. All this seemed harmless fun.

But seeing the guy injured gave me pause. I need to find a way to advance these strokes without hurting non-professional folks.

I am guessing box guards, eye protection (like racquet ball) and wrist braces might become common if these strokes catch on.

With great strokes come great responsibility. I admire you tackling on the sport of tennis like this, revolutionising the game. I can see what a considerate man you are - however, I do think you are being too thoughtful of others. A few broken wrists and racquets are a small price to pay for revolutionising the world of tennis. You have to think about the bigger picture, the grand scheme with this

 

[Deleted member 754093]

With great strokes come great responsibility. I admire you tackling on the sport of tennis like this, revolutionising the game. I can see what a considerate man you are - however, I do think you are being too thoughtful of others. A few broken wrists and racquets are a small price to pay for revolutionising the world of tennis. You have to think about the bigger picture, the grand scheme with this

Exactly. Weeding out the unworthy individuals will only help the sport evolve. It’s natural selection — survival of the fittest. OP owes it to posterity to hit and to hit hard without qualms, and to post it on videos for the world to see

 

[Deleted member 754093]

With great strokes come great responsibility. I admire you tackling on the sport of tennis like this, revolutionising the game. I can see what a considerate man you are - however, I do think you are being too thoughtful of others. A few broken wrists and racquets are a small price to pay for revolutionising the world of tennis. You have to think about the bigger picture, the grand scheme with this

Exactly. Weeding out the unworthy individuals will only help the sport evolve. It’s natural selection — survival of the fittest. OP owes it to posterity to hit and to hit hard without qualms, and to post it on videos for the world to see

 

[Doc Hollidae]

It was a freak incident. But did give me pause about using these shots at the recreational level. The person is question is a very good player (4.5), late 30s and plays a heavy loopy top spin game. The shot was hit from the baseline right towards him landing a few inches in front of him. It was going slightly across his body with inside out side spin. He was caught in two minds whether to take it on the forehand or the back hand and was in the process of changing grips and bring the second hand into play and got jammed. The normal reflex would have been to drop the racquet or let the racquet wobble to protect the joints. It also made contact at an awkward spot on the racquet close to the throat and in the bottom half. He got hairline fractures and was out for a month or so. It was not a good feeling to see it happen. Reminded me of the Murray/Bennateau incident where Benneateau hurt his wrist by falling on it. In this case it was a direct result of my shot and not because the opponent fell. He was in pain. Until that point I had felt that I was being wronged not being allowed to play since I am playing by the rules of tennis and higher level recreational players should be able to handle my shots. Now that these shots are trending towards the upper range of what even the pros hit, I am now seeing value in self restricting them in recreational play.

Before this it was fairly common for me to hit the racquet out of peoples hands (especially light weight big head rackets that rec players typically use). I cracked an opponents racket and cracked a couple of mine perfecting these strokes. All this seemed harmless fun.

But seeing the guy injured gave me pause. I need to find a way to advance these strokes without hurting non-professional folks.

I am guessing box guards, eye protection (like racquet ball) and wrist braces might become common if these strokes catch on.

You should have your hitting partners sign waivers.

Might need to start hitting with open level players, since 4.5 players are too weak for the PoMo. That or perfect the PoPoMo so people don't even touch the ball.

 

[norcal]

Now that these shots are trending towards the upper range of what even the pros hit, I am now seeing value in self restricting them in recreational play.

Before this it was fairly common for me to hit the racquet out of peoples hands (especially light weight big head rackets that rec players typically use). I cracked an opponents racket and cracked a couple of mine perfecting these strokes.

Spoiler

 

[Power Player]

It was a freak incident. But did give me pause about using these shots at the recreational level. The person is question is a very good player (4.5), late 30s and plays a heavy loopy top spin game. The shot was hit from the baseline right towards him landing a few inches in front of him. It was going slightly across his body with inside out side spin. He was caught in two minds whether to take it on the forehand or the back hand and was in the process of changing grips and bring the second hand into play and got jammed. The normal reflex would have been to drop the racquet or let the racquet wobble to protect the joints. It also made contact at an awkward spot on the racquet close to the throat and in the bottom half. He got hairline fractures and was out for a month or so. It was not a good feeling to see it happen. Reminded me of the Murray/Bennateau incident where Benneateau hurt his wrist by falling on it. In this case it was a direct result of my shot and not because the opponent fell. He was in pain. Until that point I had felt that I was being wronged not being allowed to play since I am playing by the rules of tennis and higher level recreational players should be able to handle my shots. Now that these shots are trending towards the upper range of what even the pros hit, I am now seeing value in self restricting them in recreational play.

Before this it was fairly common for me to hit the racquet out of peoples hands (especially light weight big head rackets that rec players typically use). I cracked an opponents racket and cracked a couple of mine perfecting these strokes. All this seemed harmless fun.

But seeing the guy injured gave me pause. I need to find a way to advance these strokes without hurting non-professional folks.

I am guessing box guards, eye protection (like racquet ball) and wrist braces might become common if these strokes catch on.

You are a special kind of strange, that is for sure.

 

[norcal]

The pattern seems to be that people play me and tolerate my initial errors as long as they are winning then stop playing me once I get a measure of their game

Or as dgold put it, they beat you but it is not worth the time because you are so inconsistent there are no rallies.

For most people tennis is for fun and exercise and when there is neither you will have trouble finding people to hit with.

 

[Deleted member 754093]

There have to be open level tournaments in OPs area. Enter one, film the matches, and post the videos

 

[rogerroger917]

Open level too low. Might break the other players arm from the pomo serves. Need to enter us open qualies at minimum. Federer might be able to keep up when they meet in the finals.

 

[rogerroger917]

Can you post a video playing some points with a decent opponent. Ground stroke game to 10. Each feed 5 balls.

Or even a service game or two.

 

[rogerroger917]

Or as dgold put it, they beat you but it is not worth the time because you are so inconsistent there are no rallies.

For most people tennis is for fun and exercise and when there is neither you will have trouble finding people to hit with.

How did dgold handle pomo? Did he wear a wrist brace?

 

[Deleted member 754093]

How did dgold handle pomo? Did he wear a wrist brace?

Rumor has it there was an inadvertent bris performed on the court that day

 

[Power Player]

POMO pattern

Talk about some revolutionary technique he imagines will work if you get tommy john surgery.

Starts to brag about how great he is at tennis

Is asked to show evidence of actually being good at the sport.

Is reminded that he got thrashed by dgold, who cant even serve.

Lashes out and continues to make false claims without any evidence.

Is finally mercy banned once the mods feel sorrry for him getting crushed on here repeatedly.

A few months later people start to miss POMO.

A year later he returns.

The same people who missed him start to destroy his insane poasts yet again.

The cycle continues.

 

[rogerroger917]

I'm just waiting for video of match using pomo. Or better yet popomo

 

[norcal]

No way I'm searching 'pomo videos' on my work computer.

"He broke my wrist AND got me fired"

- POMO testimonial

 

[Wander]

I'm just waiting for video of match using pomo. Or better yet popomo

I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

[Shroud]

It was a freak incident. But did give me pause about using these shots at the recreational level. The person is question is a very good player (4.5), late 30s and plays a heavy loopy top spin game. The shot was hit from the baseline right towards him landing a few inches in front of him. It was going slightly across his body with inside out side spin. He was caught in two minds whether to take it on the forehand or the back hand and was in the process of changing grips and bring the second hand into play and got jammed. The normal reflex would have been to drop the racquet or let the racquet wobble to protect the joints. It also made contact at an awkward spot on the racquet close to the throat and in the bottom half. He got hairline fractures and was out for a month or so. It was not a good feeling to see it happen. Reminded me of the Murray/Bennateau incident where Benneateau hurt his wrist by falling on it. In this case it was a direct result of my shot and not because the opponent fell. He was in pain. Until that point I had felt that I was being wronged not being allowed to play since I am playing by the rules of tennis and higher level recreational players should be able to handle my shots. Now that these shots are trending towards the upper range of what even the pros hit, I am now seeing value in self restricting them in recreational play.

Before this it was fairly common for me to hit the racquet out of peoples hands (especially light weight big head rackets that rec players typically use). I cracked an opponents racket and cracked a couple of mine perfecting these strokes. All this seemed harmless fun.

But seeing the guy injured gave me pause. I need to find a way to advance these strokes without hurting non-professional folks.

I am guessing box guards, eye protection (like racquet ball) and wrist braces might become common if these strokes catch on.

Sorry man I dont buy this story. Any 4.5 player should have seen sidespin before, know how to handle it and know that when you are going to be jammed you choose the bh. All that at that level is instinctive. No way base line to baseline he will get jammed like that

2ndly the off hand wont be brought into play. A 2 hander already has it in play and a one hander is going to bh slice that shot without the off hand.

3rdly if he is a loopy topspin guy he is 2-5 feet behind the baseline. A ball landing inches in front of him is going to be out. He would let that go

4thly hitting where you say in the bottom half of the racquet near the throat is the spot where the least amount of stress would be applied to the wrist.

Sorry man it smells funny and is probably a well placed dodge on your part for video proof. “Sorry fellas cant get video because no one will play me because I broke that guys wrist...”

 

[Bender]

Sorry man I dont buy this story. Any 4.5 player should have seen sidespin before, know how to handle it and know that when you are going to be jammed you choose the bh. All that at that level is instinctive. No way base line to baseline he will get jammed like that

2ndly the off hand wont be brought into play. A 2 hander already has it in play and a one hander is going to bh slice that shot without the off hand.

3rdly if he is a loopy topspin guy he is 2-5 feet behind the baseline. A ball landing inches in front of him is going to be out. He would let that go

4thly hitting where you say in the bottom half of the racquet near the throat is the spot where the least amount of stress would be applied to the wrist.

Sorry man it smells funny and is probably a well placed dodge on your part for video proof. “Sorry fellas cant get video because no one will play me because I broke that guys wrist...”

http://www.reddit.com/r/ThatHappened

But I would like to point out that getting a heavy ball hit in the bottom half of the racquet near the throat does hurt when you aren't swinging with it, because usually that comes with being jammed, which results in the wrist being bent and receiving stress at an uncomfortable angle.

Source: injured my wrist that way during mini tennis.

 

[Shroud]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ThatHappened

But I would like to point out that getting a heavy ball hit in the bottom half of the racquet near the throat does hurt when you aren't swinging with it, because usually that comes with being jammed, which results in the wrist being bent and receiving stress at an uncomfortable angle.

Source: injured my wrist that way during mini tennis.

Sorry man but that reddit stuff is a jumble and doesnt seem to relate. Wtf

And this was mini tennis. Bssh was base line to base line. Maybe I am old school but you should be in a conti grip. Thats the standard waiting grip.

Even if you are 100% right there are still 3 other good reasons this didnt happen.

 

[rogerroger917]

Players shank return of serves from guys like John Isner. No broken bones.

 

[Shroud]

 

[Bender]

Sorry man but that reddit stuff is a jumble and doesnt seem to relate. Wtf

And this was mini tennis. Bssh was base line to base line. Maybe I am old school but you should be in a conti grip. Thats the standard waiting grip.

Even if you are 100% right there are still 3 other good reasons this didnt happen.

It's just a collection of different anecdotes that are $1000% definitely true because it's on the internet.

Standard waiting grip for me is my forehand grip, but not sure if that's new school or old school. Probably new school since I remember one of my old tennis books saying I should be in conti grip when ready.

Just pointing out it is possible re: the contact point, not that I'm saying OP's story is true.

Or maybe it is, just like this story:

 

[bigservesofthands]

How did dgold handle pomo? Did he wear a wrist brace?

dgold never faced PoMo. PoMo came nearly a year after.

 

[ByakuFubuki]

[...] And this was mini tennis. Bssh was base line to base line. Maybe I am old school but you should be in a conti grip. Thats the standard waiting grip. [...]

I think that depends on the grips you use for Forehand and Backhand, to be honest (I would find it weird if you didn't use Forehand Semi-Western, for example, as that's your "universal grip"). Anyway, as far as I know, "new school" waiting grip is your regular Forehand Grip, at least on Return (at least, I remember my coach asking a lady to wait for the serve with that because theoretically you sould try and make as many returns as possible with the Forehand).

 

[bigservesofthands]

Sorry man I dont buy this story. Any 4.5 player should have seen sidespin before, know how to handle it and know that when you are going to be jammed you choose the bh. All that at that level is instinctive. No way base line to baseline he will get jammed like that

2ndly the off hand wont be brought into play. A 2 hander already has it in play and a one hander is going to bh slice that shot without the off hand.

3rdly if he is a loopy topspin guy he is 2-5 feet behind the baseline. A ball landing inches in front of him is going to be out. He would let that go

4thly hitting where you say in the bottom half of the racquet near the throat is the spot where the least amount of stress would be applied to the wrist.

Sorry man it smells funny and is probably a well placed dodge on your part for video proof. “Sorry fellas cant get video because no one will play me because I broke that guys wrist...”

It was a doubles match. He does play a few feet behind the baseline in singles. They were playing two back out of respect to my strokes. He plays at the baseline in doubles as is typical in modern two back doubles. The ball landed in the court right in front of him. It was by my estimate over an 110 mph hit clearing the net by a few inches.

I wish he was not hurt and this is just a tall tale. Real life is much different than what we see on TV. If this were to happen in an ATP tournament then there would be physios and doctors who would attend to the injured player and the other players would just be bystanders. In this case the injured player was somebody who lives in my neighborhood. I had to deal with the situation. Collect his and my things and take a person in considerable pain to the ER. Call his wife when we got there and break the news to her. Wait for his MRI and later an arthroscopic procedure to be done. One of his wrist bones had a break. Drive him home (his wife had to pick up his kid) and then drive his wife to get his car and explain in more detail to her about what happened. Thankfully he had good insurance. But he still had considerable copays and then the recovery. All this put my right to play my style of game into perspective.

He had a prior wrist injury from years ago on his non-dominant hand and none on his dominant hand that was now injured. He said he tries to protect the non-dominant hand and maybe that caused him to hesitate and not setup properly in this instance. The doctor who attended said that he sees this type of injury with motorcycle accidents and was surprised that a tennis hit at the baseline caused it (the doctor said he plays tennis too). It all happened so quickly. I am just recounting what I saw. Don't have a slow motion replay to reconstruct what exactly happened and how his wrist got jammed.

 

[GBplayer]

Feeling really bad , hit the ball in a match last night. Broke my strings and cracked my frame, but broke both forearm bones in my opponent at the net and his racquet flew out of his hand shattering when it hit the ground .

I must show some restraint.

 

[dgold44]

Feeling really bad , hit the ball in a match last night. Broke my strings and cracked my frame, but broke both forearm bones in my opponent at the net and his racquet flew out of his hand shattering when it hit the ground .

I must show some restraint.

Tennis is not judo !!!

Judo is 100 guarantee you will be going to the doctor every few months for surgery

 

[dgold44]

It was a doubles match. He does play a few feet behind the baseline in singles. They were playing two back out of respect to my strokes. He plays at the baseline in doubles as is typical in modern two back doubles. The ball landed in the court right in front of him. It was by my estimate over an 110 mph hit clearing the net by a few inches.

I wish he was not hurt and this is just a tall tale. Real life is much different than what we see on TV. If this were to happen in an ATP tournament then there would be physios and doctors who would attend to the injured player and the other players would just be bystanders. In this case the injured player was somebody who lives in my neighborhood. I had to deal with the situation. Collect his and my things and take a person in considerable pain to the ER. Call his wife when we got there and break the news to her. Wait for his MRI and later an arthroscopic procedure to be done. One of his wrist bones had a break. Drive him home (his wife had to pick up his kid) and then drive his wife to get his car and explain in more detail to her about what happened. Thankfully he had good insurance. But he still had considerable copays and then the recovery. All this put my right to play my style of game into perspective.

He had a prior wrist injury from years ago on his non-dominant hand and none on his dominant hand that was now injured. He said he tries to protect the non-dominant hand and maybe that caused him to hesitate and not setup properly in this instance. The doctor who attended said that he sees this type of injury with motorcycle accidents and was surprised that a tennis hit at the baseline caused it (the doctor said he plays tennis too). It all happened so quickly. I am just recounting what I saw. Don't have a slow motion replay to reconstruct what exactly happened and how his wrist got jammed.

You obviously were not aiming for him but it was a broken wrist or fracture

 

[dgold44]

dgold never faced PoMo. PoMo came nearly a year after.

As my serve is improved after 3 yrs of hell
The bad news is my once great court speed is diminishing

 

[rogerroger917]

It was a doubles match. He does play a few feet behind the baseline in singles. They were playing two back out of respect to my strokes. He plays at the baseline in doubles as is typical in modern two back doubles. The ball landed in the court right in front of him. It was by my estimate over an 110 mph hit clearing the net by a few inches.

I wish he was not hurt and this is just a tall tale. Real life is much different than what we see on TV. If this were to happen in an ATP tournament then there would be physios and doctors who would attend to the injured player and the other players would just be bystanders. In this case the injured player was somebody who lives in my neighborhood. I had to deal with the situation. Collect his and my things and take a person in considerable pain to the ER. Call his wife when we got there and break the news to her. Wait for his MRI and later an arthroscopic procedure to be done. One of his wrist bones had a break. Drive him home (his wife had to pick up his kid) and then drive his wife to get his car and explain in more detail to her about what happened. Thankfully he had good insurance. But he still had considerable copays and then the recovery. All this put my right to play my style of game into perspective.

He had a prior wrist injury from years ago on his non-dominant hand and none on his dominant hand that was now injured. He said he tries to protect the non-dominant hand and maybe that caused him to hesitate and not setup properly in this instance. The doctor who attended said that he sees this type of injury with motorcycle accidents and was surprised that a tennis hit at the baseline caused it (the doctor said he plays tennis too). It all happened so quickly. I am just recounting what I saw. Don't have a slow motion replay to reconstruct what exactly happened and how his wrist got jammed.

Wow. When are you entering a singles tournament?

 

[norcal]

and break the news to her

bssh: So yeah, we were playing tennis and when I hit the ball to your husband, he kind of flailed at the ball like a girl (no offense) and broke his wrist.

wife: Seriously? I should have listened to my dad, he told me not to marry such a p***y.

 

[Doc Hollidae]

bssh: So yeah, we were playing tennis and when I hit the ball to your husband, he kind of flailed at the ball like a girl (no offense) and broke his wrist.

wife: Seriously? I should have listened to my dad, he told me not to marry such a p***y.

Husband: But, but I got PoMo'd. Not even Federer can handle the PoMo.

Wife: Well, then you should have PoPoMo'd his PoMo.

 

[Power Player]

It was a doubles match. He does play a few feet behind the baseline in singles. They were playing two back out of respect to my strokes. He plays at the baseline in doubles as is typical in modern two back doubles. The ball landed in the court right in front of him. It was by my estimate over an 110 mph hit clearing the net by a few inches.

I wish he was not hurt and this is just a tall tale. Real life is much different than what we see on TV. If this were to happen in an ATP tournament then there would be physios and doctors who would attend to the injured player and the other players would just be bystanders. In this case the injured player was somebody who lives in my neighborhood. I had to deal with the situation. Collect his and my things and take a person in considerable pain to the ER. Call his wife when we got there and break the news to her. Wait for his MRI and later an arthroscopic procedure to be done. One of his wrist bones had a break. Drive him home (his wife had to pick up his kid) and then drive his wife to get his car and explain in more detail to her about what happened. Thankfully he had good insurance. But he still had considerable copays and then the recovery. All this put my right to play my style of game into perspective.

He had a prior wrist injury from years ago on his non-dominant hand and none on his dominant hand that was now injured. He said he tries to protect the non-dominant hand and maybe that caused him to hesitate and not setup properly in this instance. The doctor who attended said that he sees this type of injury with motorcycle accidents and was surprised that a tennis hit at the baseline caused it (the doctor said he plays tennis too). It all happened so quickly. I am just recounting what I saw. Don't have a slow motion replay to reconstruct what exactly happened and how his wrist got jammed.

Can you win tennis matches yet or do you still suck at that aspect of the game?

 

[rogerroger917]

I want to know as well if he can win singles matches hitting 110 mph fhs

Can you win tennis matches yet or do you still suck at that aspect of the game?

 

[Deleted member 23235]

It was a freak incident. But did give me pause about using these shots at the recreational level. The person is question is a very good player (4.5), late 30s and plays a heavy loopy top spin game. The shot was hit from the baseline right towards him landing a few inches in front of him. It was going slightly across his body with inside out side spin. He was caught in two minds whether to take it on the forehand or the back hand and was in the process of changing grips and bring the second hand into play and got jammed. The normal reflex would have been to drop the racquet or let the racquet wobble to protect the joints. It also made contact at an awkward spot on the racquet close to the throat and in the bottom half. He got hairline fractures and was out for a month or so. It was not a good feeling to see it happen. Reminded me of the Murray/Bennateau incident where Benneateau hurt his wrist by falling on it. In this case it was a direct result of my shot and not because the opponent fell. He was in pain. Until that point I had felt that I was being wronged not being allowed to play since I am playing by the rules of tennis and higher level recreational players should be able to handle my shots. Now that these shots are trending towards the upper range of what even the pros hit, I am now seeing value in self restricting them in recreational play.

Before this it was fairly common for me to hit the racquet out of peoples hands (especially light weight big head rackets that rec players typically use). I cracked an opponents racket and cracked a couple of mine perfecting these strokes. All this seemed harmless fun.

But seeing the guy injured gave me pause. I need to find a way to advance these strokes without hurting non-professional folks.

I am guessing box guards, eye protection (like racquet ball) and wrist braces might become common if these strokes catch on.

do you need to register your strokes with the police?
you know, similar to how deadly martial arts, do?

 

[Deleted member 23235]

Can you post a video playing some points with a decent opponent. Ground stroke game to 10. Each feed 5 balls.

Or even a service game or two.

pomo feeds are unreturnable.
the game needs to start at 5-0, for the other person's safety.

 

[Deleted member 23235]

If Popo serves a flat bomb and the returner dies when trying to return it, is that involuntary manslaughter?

if popo serves a flat bomb, and it lands in the service box, it's known to drive a hole miles into the ground.
in fact popo used to be work for oil companies, but was fired because his popo serve drilled a hole so far down, it reached the earth's core, causing magma to bubble up and burn the oil deposits they were hoping to collect.

 

[Shroud]

pomo feeds are unreturnable.
the game needs to start at 5-0, for the other person's safety.

Only defense is hooking like on the 1st point here. Otherwise unstoppable

 

[Deleted member 754093]

If a PoMo serve is met with a PoMo return, then whose wrist does the breaking?

 

[Deleted member 23235]

Only defense is hooking like on the 1st point here. Otherwise unstoppable

<in Mr Miyagi voice> Hook for defense only

<Mr Miyagi on the pomo serve>If do right, no can defense.