Comparing Federer 2014 and peak Federer.

[Alchemist]

Obviously Federer playing very well but where it actually stands in front of Peak Federer. In my opinion this are the flashes what he was in 2004-2007.

SO today's Federer=70% peak Federer in my opinion and still enough to breat
Wimbledon Champion. This era is really strong:lol:

 

[NADALRECORD]

What percentage rating do you give 2009 AO and 2012 AO Federer? That's the key, because he played Nadal in both of those.

In 2009 AO, Federer double-bagelled Del Potro at the AO (and Del Potro was in his best year ever).

In 2012 AO, Federer was on a 26 match winning streak before he lost the semi to Nadal.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

Obviously Federer playing very well but where it actually stands in front of Peak Federer. In my opinion this are the flashes what he was in 2004-2007.

SO today's Federer=70% peak Federer in my opinion and still enough to breat
Wimbledon Champion. This era is really strong:lol:

And Murray was at 75%. Who cares, fastgrass?

 

[dudeski]

Peak 2007 AO Federer would win this title in straight sets just like he did in 2007. That's all you need to know.

 

[NADALRECORD]

2007 Federer at Wimbledon needed 5 sets to beat 2007 Nadal :lol:

 

[NatF]

2007 Federer at Wimbledon needed 5 sets to beat 2007 Nadal :lol:

2013 Darcis needed 3 sets to beat 2013 Nadal :lol:

:twisted:

 

[Alchemist]

2013 Darcis needed 3 sets to beat 2013 Nadal :lol:

:twisted:

NAdal wasn't 100% , No :lol:

 

[KillerServe]

I think the biggest difference between peak Federer and 2014 Federer was his ability to close. Today's Federer can be brilliant at times, but when it comes to closing he stumbles a lot despite all his new found 'confidence'.

 

[Solo]

2013 Darcis needed 3 sets to beat 2013 Nadal :lol:

:twisted:

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[KillerServe]

NAdal wasn't 100% , No :lol:

Darcis is no Nadal, no?

 

[NADALRECORD]

I think the biggest difference between peak Federer and 2014 Federer was his ability to close. Today's Federer can be brilliant at times, but when it comes to closing he stumbles a lot despite all his new found 'confidence'.

I agree, 4 of 17 breakpoint conversion, and most of those uncoverted breakpoints came after he led 2 sets to love.

 

[Backspin1183]

2007 Federer at Wimbledon needed 5 sets to beat 2007 Nadal :lol:

Nadal choked that match away. He was leading 4-1 in the fourth set.

 

[Egoista]

I think the biggest difference between peak Federer and 2014 Federer was his ability to close. Today's Federer can be brilliant at times, but when it comes to closing he stumbles a lot despite all his new found 'confidence'.

I think this is the biggest difference between both the federers his ability to close out....the matches......he does it all sets up the points sets up the rallies sets up everything and then dumps t into the net or hits it long......

what is the matter with him

 

[NADALRECORD]

Nadal choked that match away. He was leading 4-1 in the fourth set.

2007 Wimbledon? The score was 7-6(7), 4-6, 7-6(3), 2-6, 6-2.

 

[tipsa...don'tlikehim!]

His movement is not like it used to be and will never ever be the same as before because of the 32 yo thing.

Federer can still win grand slams, maybe at Wimbledon but he'll have to avoid Nadal.

 

[Smasher08]

In 2009 AO, Federer double-bagelled Del Potro at the AO (and Del Potro was in his best year ever).

In 2012 AO, Federer was on a 26 match winning streak before he lost the semi to Nadal.

Your analysis is simplistic to the point of childishness.

JMDP in January 2009 was not the player he became that September.

The 2011-12 winning streak was predominantly on indoor courts. You might as well use similar logic to bolster the glory of Darcis for snapping Nads' winning streak last year. But you wouldn't do that, now would you?

Anyway, if you're given to such analysis, you'll have to agree that the last two times Nadal beat Federer at the AO, Fed went on to win SW19. :lol:

 

[NADALRECORD]

^ Where do you draw the line with Del Potro's form? Del Potro took Federer to 5 sets at 2009 Roland Garros. That remains his greatest Roland Garro ever. So I don't think Del Potro suddenly transformed between 2009 AO and 2009 RG. BTW, 2009 AO remains his best (equal best) result in Australia ever.

 

[ibbi]

I don't think the problem is SO much with his game, but more generally with fitness/recovery time. If he plays a long match now, even if he comes through it (which he is less likely to do) he's highly unlikely to win the next match.

Look at his 2009 Roland Garros. If he had played that today would he have been able to come allllll the way back against Haas? Perhaps, but then would he have been able to outlast Del Potro a couple of rounds later? Highly unlikely, and even if he did, Soderling would pick him off in the final.

In terms of gameplan I think he's arguably a smarter player now than he used to be, but I suppose that's because he's being forced to be more tactical because he can't outduel everyone from the baseline the way that he once could.

 

[Smasher08]

^ Where do you draw the line with Del Potro's form? Del Potro took Federer to 5 sets at 2009 Roland Garros. That remains his greatest Roland Garro ever. So I don't think Del Potro suddenly transformed between 2009 AO and 2009 RG. BTW, 2009 AO remains his best (equal best) result in Australia ever.

There are differences between a personal best result and one's personal best form. Good draws and bad draws happen to everyone.

Do you think that AO '09 JMDP could have straight-setted Nads like at the USO?

Do you think that '09 RG Haas was his best form ever?

Personally, I think JMDP really made strides over the course of 2009, and that was reflected in his USO win.

 

[KillerServe]

I don't think the problem is SO much with his game, but more generally with fitness/recovery time. If he plays a long match now, even if he comes through it (which he is less likely to do) he's highly unlikely to win the next match.

Look at his 2009 Roland Garros. If he had played that today would he have been able to come allllll the way back against Haas? Perhaps, but then would he have been able to outlast Del Potro a couple of rounds later? Highly unlikely, and even if he did, Soderling would pick him off in the final.

In terms of gameplan I think he's arguably a smarter player now than he used to be, but I suppose that's because he's being forced to be more tactical because he can't outduel everyone from the baseline the way that he once could.

Sure but Fed didn't play any really long matches at this AO. Sure he lost a set against Murray, but he was by no means gassed at all. He even had a day of rest. This loss had nothing to do with his fitness, but everything to do with his extremely fragile mentality when playing Nadal.

 

[The Dark Knight]

Even 35 year old Agassi almost took two sets off Roger

Federer 6-3, 2-6, 7-6, 6-1 Agassi

But Fed could not even take a set off Rafa at 32

 

[RF20Lennon]

Even 35 year old Agassi almost took two sets off Roger

Federer 6-3, 2-6, 7-6, 6-1 Agassi

But Fed could not even take a set off Rafa at 32

Federer played a lot more matches than Agassi had. Not saying that as an excuse. Federer would have still lost but with his game he cannot beat Nadal in today's conditions consistently. Agassi had no such issue.

 

[Smasher08]

Even 35 year old Agassi almost took two sets off Roger

Federer 6-3, 2-6, 7-6, 6-1 Agassi

But Fed could not even take a set off Rafa at 32

Well you said it yourself: Fed's not 35 yet