anointedone
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Connors or Agassi? Which one of these two players with similar games was the greater player?
Connors has a better career with more titles and more important grandslam wins but Agassi has won every grand slam including the French though Connors skipped that one in his best years and he played australian open only twice. Agassi won the less important australian open 4 times. Connors was more consistent for a longer period. Agassi wasted his talent for many years. I think Connors is greater.
Ofcourse he didn't win the French because he didn't take part from 1974 till 1978. Those were his best years and he probably should have won that tournament. In 1975 he reached the final of every grand slam and in 1977 also which is quite impressive. His career is more impressive then Mcenroe and let's not forget he was seven years older than Mac. Lendl lost twice against Connors in the final of the us open. After 1984 an aging Connors was not in his prime anymore and started to lose against Lendl but then again he was eight years older. Do you know a tennis player in modern tennis older than 32 years who was number one in the world?
Those are all good points.
It is also worth remembering that the top mens players did not play the Australian Open from 1976-1982 at all. So in comparing recent players like Federer, Sampras, and Agassi to players of that time like McEnroe, Borg, and Connors it is best to compare them by comparing only the French/Wimbledon/
U.S Open combined performance.
So in that sense 4 titles for Agassi vs 7 for Connors, 7 for McEnroe, 11 for Borg. Or 12 titles for Sampras vs 7 for Connors, 7 for McEnroe, 11 for Borg.
Or 9 titles for Federer vs 7 for Connors, 7 for McEnroe, 11 for Borg.
Many of the top players also did not play the French during that same time for various reasons, so go ahead and take away a couple of Borg's French Opens. :roll:
Well Connors is the only one who may have been able to beat Borg once or twice at the French those years. Who else was there that skipped you think could have. The rest of the best-Vilas, Nastase, Panatta, Ramirez, Dibbs, Solomon, all played each year.
Bottom line is, the winners of the AO during that time are more prestigious players than the winners of the French during the same time (other than Borg).
Could Borg, Connors, McEnroe, etc won more AO Opens??? It's a possibility> We wil never know.
Could Borg, Connors, Mcenroe have had career ending injuries if they played the AO early in there careers? It's a possibility> We will never know.
Could Connors have won the 74 FO? It's a possibility> We will never know.
The only thing we do know is who won, not who "could of", "should of" won.
Could Agassi have won more Australian Opens if he had played more of them? Yes.
Was the Australian Open a lesser Slam when Agassi won it? No.
Could Agassi have won more Australian Opens if he had played more of them? Yes.
Was the Australian Open a lesser Slam when Agassi won it? No.
How can you say that the winner of the AO during that time were more prestigious players then the winners of the French.
That is why I said I feel a good way to compare is to compare the 3 slams that were of full prestige for the men both then and now. Since we dont know how to fairly compare the Australian which is not fair to compare players from them as during those years it was not a prestigious event that was played by top players often.
Nobody is saying it a lesser slam now, but it was a lesser slam while Connors, Borg, McEnroe (partialy) were in their primes.
It was a tournament that only older guys like Newcombe and Ashe deemed worthy enough to play (after that the draws dried up significantly). Once they retired the AO lost all of its remaining lustre and was a virtual sahara until a partial recovery in '83.
The French was overloaded with talented youngsters for most of the 1970s - real clay court specialists, like Panatta, Barrazutti, Clerc, etc. The argument that they're not prestigious winners holds no water - the French Open has always been home to players who felt comfortable on dirt but were less than spectacular elsewhere. Take Gomez, take Bruguera, take Muster. All legit players on dirt.
IMHO Connors win this based on my subjective reasoning.
Connors won 8 slams and so did Agassi so they are tied on GS won.
Connors spent considerably longer as world no 1.
Connors won over 100 titles to Agasssi's 61.
And finally Connors was more dominant during his career and was a legitimate no 1. Agassi for all his accomplishment was always in Sampras' shadow.
It was a tournament that only older guys like Newcombe and Ashe deemed worthy enough to play
I agree and cannot see how people can seriously say Agassi had the better career, especially when you consider of agassis' 8 slams 4 are Australians. Even today most players would prefer Connors' 2 Wimbledons, 5 US and 1 Oz to Agassi's 4 Oz, 2 US, 1 Wimbledon, 1 French.
The Aussie Open has generated a full field for the men and women for quite a while now which makes it just as difficult to win as the other Slams and no longer makes it the forgotten Slam. The concept of Slams not being equal no longer applies like it did in the past. The surface at the AO happened to suit Agassi's game best out of all the Slam surfaces, which is why he won there more.
As for not being as dominant, it doesn't mean much to me, because they both had to deal with a different field of players. Connors overpowered guys. Agassi overpowered guys early in his career (including an aging Connors), but he couldn't get away with that when the field got stronger, he instead had to break guys down and beat them with his fitness.
Hmmm. They also found Wimbledon and the US Open "worthy enough to play". Does this mean those tournaments were "lesser" as well??
Additionally, Ashe won Wimbledon 5 years after he won the AO, so he was "much older" when he won that event. By the way, he was 27 when he won the AO in 70, makiing him an "older" 32 year old when he won Wimbledon.
Connors won Wimbledon the same year he won the AO and then again won Wimbledon 8 years laters. He was 22 years "old" when he won the AO.
Get over it. The winner's of the AO during the time discussed were more prestigious players than those of the one dimensional players you noted who played at the Frenchduring the same time.
Logical fallacy.
It was a tournament that only older guys like Newcombe and Ashe deemed worthy enough to play (after that the draws dried up significantly). Once they retired the AO lost all of its remaining lustre and was a virtual sahara until a partial recovery in '83.
The French was overloaded with talented youngsters for most of the 1970s - real clay court specialists, like Panatta, Barrazutti, Clerc, etc. The argument that they're not prestigious winners holds no water - the French Open has always been home to players who felt comfortable on dirt but were less than spectacular elsewhere. Take Gomez, take Bruguera, take Muster. All legit players on dirt.
Facts aren't in your favour and Arthur Ashe alone does not make your point valid, especially considering that his last exemplary season came in 1975, which was when Borg was a green teenager. But keep walking the walk if that's the way you like it.
Different fields of players? You are absolutely right, but perhaps not in the way you are thinking. Connors faced 3 different all time greats in his prime-Borg, McEnroe, Lendl. Agassi faced only 1-Sampras. Connors field>Agassi
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head to head Connors 0-2 Agassi
so i voted for agassi!