CRITICIZE MY ONE HANDED BACKHAND

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slipgrip93

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Daniel Andrade said:
Eastern backhand grip is knucle on bevel 1, isn't it?
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yes, the 1hbh grip can interestingly also be old-school continental (bevel 2) , or closer to bevel 8 which Henin seemingly did. ( ttw thread on "semi-western" 1hbh grip)
I usually like to stick to "semi-eastern" between bevel 1&2.

Her 1hbh tip video:


(Henin practice close-up, 2010 stuttgart), (Henin's best backhands on tour)

Meike Babel also has a bunch of great videos on the 1hbh often focusing on fundamentals and then some other details.
( her recent 1hbh videos link )
 
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ChaelAZ

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First thought is, whoever is looping high balls to your BH is smart. I only watched a little and jumped around, but looks like most shots are above your head, and that is a tough ask for any 1hbh.
 
Devilito

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your swing is stiff which bricks your follow through. You're using muscle instead of technique. Swing light, smooth, fast and let your follow through flow naturally. If i were to hit my backhand they way you do, it would feel so awkward and forced. A proper swing will not feel like work, it will feel natural without thought. Your footwork also looks forced. It's not efficient, you're bouncing up and down and making unnecessary movements. Short steps to move into position when needed, not moving randomly just because someone told you that you should focus on your footwork.
 
Curious

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5263 said:
not so much once you learn how to drag the Rh instead of push it.... it then becomes pretty easy and maybe the easiest of the strokes.
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That’s exactly right. I think the correct motion is get the buttcap point towards the ball and pull it to the ball from there and let the racket head follow/drag as you said.

Perfect demonstration here.

 
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ballmachineguy

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Curious said:
That’s exactly right. I think the correct motion is get the buttcap point towards the ball and pull it to the ball from there and let the racket head follow/drag as you said.

Perfect demonstration here.

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Ok. Now go home and try to drag something with your front foot in the air.
 
Curious

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ballmachineguy said:
Ok. Now go home and try to drag something with your front foot in the air.
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My front foot is not hanging in the air stationary. It’s moving forward. Not ideal but can still work. People lose their hands and start doing amazing things with their feet!
 
ballmachineguy

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Curious said:
My front foot is not hanging in the air stationary. It’s moving forward. Not ideal but can still work. People lose their hands and start doing amazing things with their feet!
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Ok. Go home and drag a 20lb weight with a rope with your front foot moving forward. Don’t even know what the last sentence is implying (like peeling a banana with their toes?).
 
ballmachineguy

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Curious said:
Why did you increase the racket weight to 20lb?!
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Now I see where the problem lies. You think because the racquet is so light, you can get away with bad form. Pulling is pulling. Have to be in the same position to pull the 20lb weight as you do to hit a proper ohbh. Carry on.
 
Curious

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It’s nothing more than a well-timed, well-positioned pull. That’s why it looks fine in the backyard but not on the court!

 
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ballmachineguy

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If the contact and post-contact were just a “throw,” the hand and racquet head would not be in the same configuration as when the pull started. The racquet head would be out front of the hand. Also, see how his arm is extending toward the target? He is still actively extending toward the target. His pectoral muscle is totally engaged.

Oops. Forgot the pic.

https://imgur.com/a/KiKhiyQ

Plus, I know how to do it and I know what is happening. You…
 
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5263

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Jono123 said:
Please elaborate....
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One handed shots are mostly about managing the momentum of the racket Rh by G-ing it up via acceleration. The accel speeds up the Rh as well as multiplies the effect of the mass of the RH as well. It is a bit like pulling a spark plug with a wire. The wire is firm, but if you try to push it too fast it will give and lose it's power, but if you get it moving well, then time the accel to project the force into the impact, it can deliver lots of energy to the impact. While the racket is stronger than a wire, it is the wrist that tends to fail or be weak in a tennis stroke when pushing the RH. The trick is to find the right timing for the amount of force you intend to create and at a level you have learned to manage.
 
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Chas Tennis

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VIDEO OBSERVATIONS ONE HAND BACKHAND

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2015
Chas Tennis said:
Fxanimator1, What do you think of this description?

When the upper body/chest turn is used to initially accelerate the arm by the chest directly pressing on the upper arm, the pace of the one hand backhand can be higher and the initial acceleration can be higher. Imagine squeezing a credit card between your chest and upper arm. See high speed videos.

Is accelerating a body part by pressing on it with another body part a known biomechanical principle?
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2013
Chas Tennis said:
One Hand Backhand - What Force to Start Forward Swing?

I have just been watching great one-hand backhands at the Madrid Open. Including excellent slow motion that can be replayed in even slower motion or single frame with my DVR.

Often when I try to swing forward for a one hand backhand the stroke is very weak in the initial acceleration, especially if I'm rushed. The ball contact is extremely late on heavy pace and often the ball goes off at an angle and into the ground.

On very rare occasions in the past, when I was hitting better pace 1HBHs, if I had a set up on the backhand side and ran forward for the ball I could hit a monster TP backhand with confidence. Not for some years now....... So I know that heavy pace backhands are possible. I am wondering where that stroke came from. ?

This question deals with only that time when the one hand backhand backswing is just completed and the the racket is starting to accelerate.

Biomechanical issues -

1) Shoulders orientation, back at about 45°(?) to the baseline, etc., and also the angle of the arm to the shoulder to start the forward swing- the upper arm is out from the body. Why are these angles used and their purpose in accelerating the upper arm?

2) Why does the racket go back to well above the head? Why is the first part of the stroke downward?

3) Does the lat work on the upper arm. How? Is that why the upper arm is always raised out from the body in high level backhands - so that it can shorten and move the upper arm?

4) Effect of body turning to initially propel the shoulder & arm forward. ?

5) Which muscles contribute to downward & forward arm & racket motion? Which contribute to racket head speed and in what degree: lat, rear delt, others? The racket and arm seem to accelerate strongly downward at first picking up speed and then swing to a more forward direction for impact.

6) How is the stretch-shortening cycle at work in the 1hbh? Especially for the initial upper arm motion.


For illustrations, see the one hand backhands at end of the take back and ready for the forward swing.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ill...8EJj54APhh4CgBQ&ved=0CEsQsAQ&biw=1334&bih=702

Some especially good illustrations of just before the forward swing are on tennis.about.com , strokes #5,6,7.
http://tennis.about.com/od/playersm...e-pro-one-handed-topspin-backhand-grips_6.htm

Slow motion videos on the 1HBH including frames showing the start of the one hand backhand. Racket high, player looking over shoulder, shoulders turned past perpendicular to the baseline, second hand still on racket - the initial position. What are the details of how the racket accelerates from there?

Roger Federer and Justine Henin Topspin backhands
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Roger Federer backhands shot with slow motion

Roger Federer's topspin backhand 360 degree breakdown 2.0

Federer Wawrinka and more Top spin BH part I: The preparation

Federer, Wawrinka and more top spin BH part II: The Stroke phase

Richard Gasquet - Slow Motion Top Spin Backhands in HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuBRallEByc
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tennis4me

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May I suggest hand-feeding to practice/fix a stroke. It's much easier that way since the height/speed is controlled so you can focus on what you're trying to fix. Then, pick one item and focus on fixing that first. There were already many good suggestions on this thread.

My own observation:
- your contact point is too high at times. (Yeah, maybe Wawrinka have no problem with that, but most OHBH players will)
- your arm looked very tense, try to relax your swing - doesn't mean you have to swing harder.
- lastly, maybe the most important one ...
Try to get a solid footing/base before contact, at contact, and right after contact. As in, see if you can hold your stand solidly (and freeze for say 5 seconds, without falling to right/left) after you hit your OHBH. If you can't, that means one or more of your footwork, contact point, timing, etc is off.

Give it a try and see if it helps you. A much wiser coach gave this tip to me ages ago. If you can hold this freeze position, you'll indirectly/automatically fix a few other elements (contact point, balance, timing, etc.)

Good luck!
Edited: changed "just before" to "before" contact.
 
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ballmachineguy

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tennis4me said:
Try to get a solid footing/base just before contact
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Too late! Having the front foot down before the racquet even starts to drop is not just “tennis technique.” It’s a sports thing. You can’t find a baseball player swinging a bat before the front foot touches down, a pitcher pitch before it happens, a quarterback throw etc. You will waste your time doing anything else.
 
tennis4me

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ballmachineguy said:
Too late! Having the front foot down before the racquet even starts to drop is not just “tennis technique.” It’s a sports thing. You can’t find a baseball player swinging a bat before the front foot touches down, a pitcher pitch before it happens, a quarterback throw etc. You will waste your time doing anything else.
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You're correct. I was not being very precise. I hope he gets the idea. Wasn't picturing in my mind, just writing freely. The "just before" is misleading. Thx for pointing that out.

Changed the "just before" to "before". The point was to keep the solid stance throughout the stroke longer to "expose" other elements that's affecting the inconsistencies of the OHBH.

Thanks again for noticing/correcting that.
 
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Daniel Andrade

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tennis4me said:
You're correct. I was not being very precise. I hope he gets the idea. Wasn't picturing in my mind, just writing freely. The "just before" is misleading. Thx for pointing that out.

Changed the "just before" to "before". The point was to keep the solid stance throughout the stroke longer to "expose" other elements that's affecting the inconsistencies of the OHBH.

Thanks again for noticing/correcting that.
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I understood correctly what you were trying to convey. Thanks a lot!
 
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