Did the career inflation era start with Wimbledon 2016 or Australian Open 2017?

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Really a question for those that agree with the inflation era, because I normally hear two versions. The first is that it started post RG 2016, when Djokovic left his prime and he was the last of the big 3 to leave his prime. The second is that it started at AO 2017, as Murray and Wawrinka winning was acceptable for 2016 as they were of the same generation as Djokovic and were already multi time slam winners heading into 2016, but it all changed at start of 2017.

So the question of this thread isn't whether or not there is an inflation era, the question is for those that feel there is, do you all agree on when it started?
 

RS

Bionic Poster
2004-2005 >= 2013-2014 > 2015-2016 > 2017-2019 slight inflation but powerhouse big 3 still > 2020-2022 asterisk > 2023-2024 darkest era
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
For me it was when Kevin Anderson started making Slam finals. So around 2018 was when I started saying "wtf is this s***"
Del Potro, who was post-surgeries and far from his peak, also made a grand slam final.

Too bad his career got derailed by injuries. I thought he was going to win a few hardcourt grand slams with his imposing game.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Del Potro, who was post-surgeries and far from his peak, also made a grand slam final.

Too bad his career got derailed by injuries. I thought he was going to win a few hardcourt grand slams with his imposing game.

That would have been nice.
 

Jonas78

Legend
I agree with the inflation era (absence of strong players from Dimitrov/Nishikori etc and on), but its relative. Djokovic would probably win anyway (even with tough competition) for several years after 2016/2017, but from maybe 2021 and on, if he was challenged by younger hungry ATG-material players, i dont think he would make two 3-slam seasons at age 34+. I mean, he couldnt even do that 2012-2014. For Federer id call the 2017- inflation slams, but it was sweet anyway:)
 
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fedfan24

Hall of Fame
2021 post covid.

2016 W - 2019 USO they all inflated a bit. 2015-2016RG were just a bit weaker years similar to 2006, 2010.

2021 onward is after federer defacto retired, Nadal since 2023 (remains to be seen if he can come back and perform)

Djokovic has benefitted the most to the tune of 7 slams (2018 USO, 2021, 2023 AO, 2021, 2022 W, 2023 RG/USO)
Federer for 2 slams, 2017 W, 2018 AO
Nadal for 5 slams
2018 RG, 2017/2019 USO, 2022 AO/RG.
 

SonnyT

Legend
No, it started with Federer at '04 AO. Starting in '04 and ending in '07, Federer won 11 of the 12 non-clay slams, only beat by Safin at '05 AO. Federer won most of those finals by straight sets.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Most would agree that the CIE began in Wimbledon 2016.


One of TTW outspoken member have constantly berated Djokovic for inflated so many slam since mid-2016 because the era is so weak
Can't for the life of me understand how a guy who racked up 13+ majors after turning 28 isn't the biggest overachiever....
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
So it seems the general consensus among those that believe in CIE, that it started at Wimbledon 2016.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
So it seems the general consensus among those that believe in CIE, that it started at Wimbledon 2016.
Then how is 2015 RG a real contender?

Nole faced Wawrinka in 2016 USO. Both were at their peak. Nole was slightly worse but I would not call him post peak. He won Rogers cup just weeks before.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Why are you asking me all this?
Because you said Djokovic is not good enough to win USO 16. But just a month back he won Rogers cup.

Dude. We have to give him credit. Draw no draw. He made it to the final. Won first set. Wawrinka is already 2 time champ and beat him in 2019 again and almost beat him in 2013 when he went 1-2 up.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Because you said Djokovic is not good enough to win USO 16. But just a month back he won Rogers cup.

Dude. We have to give him credit. Draw no draw. He made it to the final. Won first set. Wawrinka is already 2 time champ and beat him in 2019 again and almost beat him in 2013 when he went 1-2 up.

That is not what this thread is about. Stay on topic. The topic is about asking those that believe if there is a CIE to define to the rest of us when it started.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
That is not what this thread is about. Stay on topic. The topic is about asking those that believe if there is a CIE to define to the rest of us when it started.
It can't start before AO 2017. Djokovic and Wawrinka in slam final is always a good final. Wawrinka declined in 2017 year end.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
You need to make up your mind, even in this very thread you are flip flopping. So are you by your own definition, coping?
I am not coping. When a member throws CIE about any discussion that's definitely coping. .


But yes CIE exists. If I had to say when I think it's post IW. It was inflation of highest order. See Federer was far from having easy matches in his wins in Miami. It was all good.

Then this Nadal guy goes to his favorite surface and with Nole unfit, everyone literally rolls over. Nadal was looking like done pre 2017.

Then Federer wins Wimbledon without dropping a set. His opponent Cilic CRIES. It was very embarrassing.

Then Nadal wins USOpen. He had not been in USO semis since 2014. And he played absolutely no top 20 players I think. Need to check what Anderson rank was. That is a disaster.

Then ATP finals we saw these guys like Goffin and Dimitrov reaching final. I don't care how big a Goffin fan you were, you must have felt sad for the state of tennis.

Then we have a routine AO for fed. What opponents he faced? Unseeded and 100+ kids.

Then we have another IW Miami and thankfully someone is able to stop fed. But wait. It's clay time again and that means we are starting over the same thing we saw since 2005. It's too tiring now. But there is no Djokovic so we can't see Nadal even challenged.

It was finally Wimbledon when we saw a real good big tournament. You have to agree it was good.

Since Nole came back, from MC 2017 to RG 2018, I thought ATP was going to go WTA way. It was really bad.

Even after 2018 it was not better for sometime. It was up and down for a long time until Madrid 2022.

Tennis has been great since Madrid 2022. If people are complaining now it's because they always will. We survived 2017 year, we survived covid pandemic era and finally we got Alcaraz in Madrid 2022 taking down Nadal Djokovic and Zverev.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
I am not coping. When a member throws CIE about any discussion that's definitely coping. .


But yes CIE exists. If I had to say when I think it's post IW. It was inflation of highest order. See Federer was far from having easy matches in his wins in Miami. It was all good.

Then this Nadal guy goes to his favorite surface and with Nole unfit, everyone literally rolls over. Nadal was looking like done pre 2017.

Then Federer wins Wimbledon without dropping a set. His opponent Cilic CRIES. It was very embarrassing.

Then Nadal wins USOpen. He had not been in USO semis since 2014. And he played absolutely no top 20 players I think. Need to check what Anderson rank was. That is a disaster.

Then ATP finals we saw these guys like Goffin and Dimitrov reaching final. I don't care how big a Goffin fan you were, you must have felt sad for the state of tennis.

Then we have a routine AO for fed. What opponents he faced? Unseeded and 100+ kids.

Then we have another IW Miami and thankfully someone is able to stop fed. But wait. It's clay time again and that means we are starting over the same thing we saw since 2005. It's too tiring now. But there is no Djokovic so we can't see Nadal even challenged.

It was finally Wimbledon when we saw a real good big tournament. You have to agree it was good.

Since Nole came back, from MC 2017 to RG 2018, I thought ATP was going to go WTA way. It was really bad.

Even after 2018 it was not better for sometime. It was up and down for a long time until Madrid 2022.

Tennis has been great since Madrid 2022. If people are complaining now it's because they always will. We survived 2017 year, we survived covid pandemic era and finally we got Alcaraz in Madrid 2022 taking down Nadal Djokovic and Zverev.

Hold on....

If a member brings up CIE into a discussion, and by your deductions CIE does exists, then how is that coping? That is saying something that even you agree with.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
CIE started in 2017 And ended in 2022.

I see.... You are the only one here saying that. But you are entitled to your opinion, it's still not the general consensus of what I have been reading, hence why no poll, as I know we will have a few different ones.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Between these years Federer won 2 slams because of inflation ( AO 2017 was pretty OP)

Nadal won what 7 slams. His 4 RG is fine. He can have them but he had little competition in 3 hard court slams.

Djokovic won 8 slams. His 2018 Wimby and 2021 rg were great but those were just flashes of brilliance among some dark time. He probably inflated his slam count by 2/3.

Fed slam count should have been 18, nadal's 20 ( all clay guys), and Djokovic probably 20/21. It's not as inflationary as everyone is making it to be. But yes big 3 all had inflationary slams in this time.

But since alcaraz came to the front I don't see why we need to cry about CIE every single time.
 
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