discuss :: rafa fans , how are you confident rafa nadal will win 2021 RG ?

[skypadq]

after this rome match , i really don 't have a fear that novak djokovic will beat rafa
french open 's clay is much more slower than rome 's clay
but .. i have only one worry , what if nadal lost another robin soderling ?
at this point , novak djokovic is not the biggest threat
i don 't have 100 % trust for rafa in 2021 RG

i have one worry for one player
andrey rublev
he is not short and have such powerful forehand
i know he lost sonego at rome
but at RG , he will rise agian

i really hope that he will go novak djokovic 's side
chance is 25 %

 

[guga_fan]

Zverev, Rublev, Thiem, and Tsisipas can all trouble Nadal, but probably couldn't defeat him. His problem would be if they can snatch a set and take him into a long match, where Nadal's stamina could be a problem like in Australia. Thiem would be the one most expected to do this, but his form right now is questionable.

For Djokovic, it is better if he plays Nadal in the SF. He is the one most likely to be troubled by other players in a SF like against Tsisipas last year, which would make his chances in a final against Rafa basically none.

 

[skypadq]

Zverev, Rublev, Thiem, and Tsisipas can all trouble Nadal, but probably couldn't defeat him. His problem would be if they can snatch a set and take him into a long match, where Nadal's stamina could be a problem like in Australia. Thiem would be the one most expected to do this, but his form right now is questionable.

For Djokovic, it is better if he plays Nadal in the SF. He is the one most likely to be troubled by other players in a SF like against Tsisipas last year, which would make his chances in a final against Rafa basically none.

i don 't think tsitsipas and thiem can trouble rafa , cause they had OHBH
i have a big worry for only one player , andrey rublev
this guy moves well and such a big forehand , return is also good
we all saw monte carlo , nadal won this masters 10 more time

and thiem and rafa never met before final in RG
i hope nadal and djokovic meet SF in RG

 

[velvetsledgehammer]

Rafa is the overwhelming oddsmakers favorite to win the FO. In fact, he is such a strong favorite, he is even money(1 to 1) to win the tournament right now.

 

[skypadq]

Rafa is the overwhelming oddsmakers favorite to win the FO. In fact, he is such a strong favorite, he is even money(1 to 1) to win the tournament right now.

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- thiem and nadal will mever meet before RG final
- nadal could meet rublev in RG QF
- my hope is federer and tsitsipas goes nadal 's side and rublev and zverev goes djoker 's side

and do you not worry for andrey rublev ?

 

[UnforcedTerror]

On one leg, Djokovic was able to make the Rome final really close, so I think he can beat Bull at RG. But they most likely won't meet and Bull will take it without dropping a set.

 

[skypadq]

On one leg, Djokovic was able to make the Rome final really close, so I think he can beat Bull at RG. But they most likely won't meet and Bull will take it without dropping a set.

who do you think novak djokovic will lost to in RG ?

and i have zero fear that novak djokovic will beat nadal in this year 's RG
he dosen 't have a game at RG agianst nadal

 

[MadariKatu]

I don't think Rublev will be his biggest threat. Yes, he beat him in Monte Carlo, where Nadal has had great success over the years. But, let's be honest, in 2019 he didn't have a good clay season, and he didn't start 2021 very well either. Not taking anything from Rublev; I'm just saying that Nadal played in Rome way better than in Monte Carlo. Madrid is a bit of an outlier because it doesn't suit him, and it does suit players who are a bad match-up for him.

After winning Barcelona not very convincigly and winning Rome with a very tough draw (Sinner, Shapovalov, Zverev, Opelka, Djokovic), his confidence will be higher, and his opponents probably have noted this. Also, having more time to figure out a strategy gives him another edge, in case things go wrong. So, anything can happen, but I highly doubt there will be an upset at RG

 

[ForehandCross]

Dominic Thiem for the RG.

 

[skypadq]

I don't think Rublev will be his biggest threat. Yes, he beat him in Monte Carlo, where Nadal has had great success over the years. But, let's be honest, in 2019 he didn't have a good clay season, and he didn't start 2021 very well either. Not taking anything from Rublev; I'm just saying that Nadal played in Rome way better than in Monte Carlo. Madrid is a bit of an outlier because it doesn't suit him, and it does suit players who are a bad match-up for him.

After winning Barcelona not very convincigly and winning Rome with a very tough draw (Sinner, Shapovalov, Zverev, Opelka, Djokovic), his confidence will be higher, and his opponents probably have noted this. Also, having more time to figure out a strategy gives him another edge, in case things go wrong. So, anything can happen, but I highly doubt there will be an upset at RG

what i'm saying is i really think that andrey rublev is only one can beat nadal in RG
i really belive he is the only one
what if they meet 2021 french open QF ?

 

[Beckerserve]

after this rome match , i really don 't have a fear that novak djokovic will beat rafa
french open 's clay is much more slower than rome 's clay
but .. i have only one worry , what if nadal lost another robin soderling ?
at this point , novak djokovic is not the biggest threat
i don 't have 100 % trust for rafa in 2021 RG

i have one worry for one player
andrey rublev
he is not short and have such powerful forehand
i know he lost sonego at rome
but at RG , he will rise agian

i really hope that he will go novak djokovic 's side
chance is 25 %

Rublev is too one dimensional and would choke.
Tsitsipas BH wont stand up over bo5 and Zverev FH and 2nd serve wont. Slower conditions do not help Djokovic as his serve will be less effective.
Sinner to me is the one to avoid. Sonego could be a problem although not sure how he is outside Italy.

 

[skypadq]

Dominic Thiem for the RG.

NAH , he can 't beat rafa

 

[Beckerserve]

Dominic Thiem for the RG.

Cannot see it. Too many players can match his power now

 

[skypadq]

Rublev is too one dimensional and would choke.
Tsitsipas BH wont stand up over bo5 and Zverev FH and 2nd serve wont. Slower conditions do not help Djokovic as his serve will be less effective.
Sinner to me is the one to avoid. Sonego could be a problem although not sure how he is outside Italy.

sonego will not even meet rafa
sinner is still young and dosen 't have the endurance
rublev is only one can

 

[skypadq]

even rafa fans so underrated andrey rublev
his game remind me little weak robin soderling
his height is 6'2
he got a powerful forehand and nice return
he has the best chance

 

[ADuck]

I'm not confident, because Rafa hasn't played well on Clay all year. Hopefully he steps it up at RG like he usually does.

 

[Beckerserve]

sonego will not even meet rafa
sinner is still young and dosen 't have the endurance
rublev is only one can

Rublev is too one dimensional and thE mC loss to tsitsipas set him back i think

 

[MadariKatu]

@skypadq are you basing this only on Monte Carlo? Or is there something else?

 

[Beckerserve]

I'm not confident, because Rafa hasn't played well on Clay all year. Hopefully he steps it up at RG like he usually does.

That is what gives me confidence. He won Rome not playing well. That has to really give him confidence as he now has 2 weeks to get some form.

 

[skypadq]

Rublev is too one dimensional and thE mC loss to tsitsipas set him back i think

grand slam is totally diffrent and there could be chance that rublev could even does not meet tsitsipas

 

[Phoenix1983]

The Bull shall triumph for a 14th team on the terre battue.

So be it.

 

[skypadq]

@skypadq are you basing this only on Monte Carlo? Or is there something else?

50 % and 50 %
i saw in MC match nadal and rublev
i really saw andray rublev got huge power and mental
i thought soon as nadal got second set , game over for rubelv
but rubelv takes it 6-2

and he remind me little robin soderling
tsitsipas can 't
zverev can 't
sinner can 't

 

[gn]

My dead grandma has better chance against Rafa than Rublev.

 

[skypadq]

My dead grandma has better chance against Rafa than Rublev.

do not underrated rublev like that
if he can get right step and momentem and he is only one who can
he has soild two hand back hand and such powerful forehand , moves fast

zverev is not that fast mover
tsitsipas has OHBH , weak backhand returner

 

[gn]

do not underrated rublev like that
if he can get right step and momentem and he is only one who can
he has soild two hand back hand and such powerful forehand , moves fast

zverev is not that fast mover
tsitsipas has OHBH , weak backhand returner

that won't cut it. he has absolutely no variety. his plan a is to hit harder. his plan b is plan a.
sorry

 

[skypadq]

that won't cut it. he has absolutely no variety. his plan a is to hit harder. his plan b is plan a.
sorry

huh ... so do you think novak djokovic will be biggest threat ?

 

[Deleted member 771911]

100% confident. The way he took control of the last four games in Rome just shows his sense of timing and ability to shift up a gear at a crucial stage of a match on Clay. Incredible stuff.

 

[ADuck]

50 % and 50 %
i saw in MC match nadal and rublev
i really saw andray rublev got huge power and mental
i thought soon as nadal got second set , game over for rubelv
but rubelv takes it 6-2

and he remind me little robin soderling
tsitsipas can 't
zverev can 't
sinner can 't

can rublev 2021 french open?

 

[gn]

huh ... so do you think novak djokovic will be biggest threat ?

more like the biggest treat. nobody can beat rafa at rg this year 2021.

 

[skypadq]

can rublev 2021 french open?

if thiem takes out novak djokovic , he can beat thiem or nadal

 

[MadariKatu]

50 % and 50 %
i saw in MC match nadal and rublev
i really saw andray rublev got huge power and mental
i thought soon as nadal got second set , game over for rubelv
but rubelv takes it 6-2

and he remind me little robin soderling
tsitsipas can 't
zverev can 't
sinner can 't

I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree. It is true that Rublev plays with a lot of power, which is something that doesn't suit Nadal much. But in 2019 Nadal played like **** in Monte Carlo, and then nearly destroyed the field in RG, so extrapolating the results can be a bit too much when we're talking about Nadal at RG.
Also, the fact that Rublev beat him on clay probably hives him a heads up as to what to expect.

I honestly think that Zverev can put a more difficult fight than Rublev. Not because of Madrid. But in Rome, even though he didn't start very good, he was troubling Nadal a lot. Rafa just won some key points and didn't let him come back, but a 3rd set would have been very difficult, I believe.
Zverev has his issues as well, and don't think he will pull it off, but is more a mental thing. He does have the game.

 

[Yugram]

I'm not confident, because Rafa hasn't played well on Clay all year. Hopefully he steps it up at RG like he usually does.

To you he hasn’t played well even when he bageled Djokovic in RG final.

 

[skypadq]

I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree. It is true that Rublev plays with a lot of power, which is something that doesn't suit Nadal much. But in 2019 Nadal played like **** in Monte Carlo, and then nearly destroyed the field in RG, so extrapolating the results can be a bit too much when we're talking about Nadal at RG.
Also, the fact that Rublev beat him on clay probably hives him a heads up as to what to expect.

I honestly think that Zverev can put a more difficult fight than Rublev. Not because of Madrid. But in Rome, even though he didn't start very good, he was troubling Nadal a lot. Rafa just won some key points and didn't let him come back, but a 3rd set would have been very difficult, I believe.
Zverev has his issues as well, and don't think he will pull it off, but is more a mental thing. He does have the game.

nah , rublev is better mover than zverev
and rublev is more faster than zverev
zverev is way tall for beat nadal in RG

 

[StrongRule]

50 % and 50 %
i saw in MC match nadal and rublev
i really saw andray rublev got huge power and mental
i thought soon as nadal got second set , game over for rubelv
but rubelv takes it 6-2

and he remind me little robin soderling
tsitsipas can 't
zverev can 't
sinner can 't

Nadal played very bad in their Monte Carlo match. Rublev for sure is not at the top of the list of players who can beat Nadal. He is in the top-10 though.

 

[ADuck]

To you he hasn’t played well even when he bageled Djokovic in RG final.

I think Nadal can play even better than when he bagelled Djokovic. I'm just a bigger Nadal fan than you

 

[skypadq]

Nadal played very bad in their Monte Carlo match. Rublev for sure is not at the top of the list of players who can beat Nadal. He is in the top-10 though.

do you still think novak djokovic could beat rafa in 2021 RG ?
i have zero fear that novak djokovic will bring s up better fight than 2020 RG final
he just can 't

 

[skypadq]

I think Nadal can play even better than when he bagelled Djokovic. I'm just a bigger Nadal fan than you

yeah , he can just better
if they meet agian in this year , i really think nadal could like 6-3 6-2 6-0

 

[ADuck]

if thiem takes out novak djokovic , he can beat thiem or nadal

Interesting takes.

 

[StrongRule]

do you still think novak djokovic could beat rafa in 2021 RG ?
i have zero fear that novak djokovic will bring s up better fight than 2020 RG final
he just can 't

He breadsticked Nadal yesterday, and in the third set Nadal was saved by a fluke on a big point. Nadal has clear mental problems against him.

 

[ADuck]

yeah , he can just better
if they meet agian in this year , i really think nadal could like 6-3 6-2 6-0

Thanks skypadq I knew you would agree with me

 

[skypadq]

He breadsticked Nadal yesterday, and in the third set Nadal was saved by a fluke on a big point. Nadal has clear mental problems against him.

- only second set
- nadal could saved by fluke agian in RG
- RG clay is much more slower and heavy bonce than rome 's clay

 

[StrongRule]

- only second set
- nadal could saved by fluke agian in RG
- RG clay is much more slower and heavy bonce than rome 's clay

In the past it was, but now the conditions there are completely different, so I'm not sure anymore.

 

[MadariKatu]

He breadsticked Nadal yesterday, and in the third set Nadal was saved by a fluke on a big point. Nadal has clear mental problems against him.

Yes he has. But even with his mental problems, he managed to beat him in a tournament where Djokovic played 10 finals, winning 5. In RG, Djokovic played 5 finals. Not only is Nadal better at RG than Rome, Djokovic is not as good in RG as in Rome.

 

[skypadq]

In the past it was, but now the conditions there are completely different, so I'm not sure anymore.

strongrule , i really certin if nadal meet djokovic in RG SF or final , nadal will beat djokovic agian
why do you so certin about novak djokovic 's clay level ?
his biggest chance was 2011 and 2013 french open

 

[skypadq]

Yes he has. But even with his mental problems, he managed to beat him in a tournament where Djokovic played 10 finals, winning 5. In RG, Djokovic played 5 finals. Not only is Nadal better at RG than Rome, Djokovic is not as good in RG as in Rome.

yeah , this PC 's clay is much more slower than rome 's
anyway i really have zero fear for novak djokovic
he dosent ' have a power that beat nadal in B05 clay
just is

 

[StrongRule]

Yes he has. But even with his mental problems, he managed to beat him in a tournament where Djokovic played 10 finals, winning 5. In RG, Djokovic played 5 finals. Not only is Nadal better at RG than Rome, Djokovic is not as good in RG as in Rome.

Djokovic has 11 Rome finals, not 10. Yes, in the past he was worse in RG. But now the conditions changed so much that RG is now a totally different tournament.

 

[skypadq]

Djokovic has 11 Rome finals, not 10. Yes, in the past he was worse in RG. But now the conditions changed so much that RG is now a totally different tournament.

yeah ... but nadal could get day time agianst djokovic

 

[MadariKatu]

Djokovic has 11 Rome finals, not 10. Yes, in the past he was worse in RG. But now the conditions changed so much that RG is now a totally different tournament.

My bad, I though yesterdays made it the 10th. Let's see how it all goes. Until Rome, I have to admit that I couldn't picture Djokovic even making it to another RG final, but he's upped his game at this tournament... still vulnerable to some young players, but curious to see what happens; we'll probably get some great matches in RG, and that is all I care about.

 

[DIMI_D]

I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree. It is true that Rublev plays with a lot of power, which is something that doesn't suit Nadal much. But in 2019 Nadal played like **** in Monte Carlo, and then nearly destroyed the field in RG, so extrapolating the results can be a bit too much when we're talking about Nadal at RG.
Also, the fact that Rublev beat him on clay probably hives him a heads up as to what to expect.

I honestly think that Zverev can put a more difficult fight than Rublev. Not because of Madrid. But in Rome, even though he didn't start very good, he was troubling Nadal a lot. Rafa just won some key points and didn't let him come back, but a 3rd set would have been very difficult, I believe.
Zverev has his issues as well, and don't think he will pull it off, but is more a mental thing. He does have the game.

Yes Zverev def more of a threat to Nadal than Rublev