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Djokovic now says he'll play USO if he doesn't have to quarantine
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Lleytonstation
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The unfair part is that some players will have to do it, some won't, and some will get a head start depending on USO results.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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It’s not unfair cause it’s a choice. If they don’t want to try and win USO it’s their choice.
For over 99% of the players it’s not relevant to win any of the two, but playing them and earn some money. Playing first round in a slam is a lot of money for them.
Lleytonstation
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Yes, but what if Rafa played and djoker did not? Rafa would not be able to play tune ups because he decided to play tennis, while Djoker can.
Works the same for the guys that make the second or third round as well.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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It’s their choice what they want to do. No one is forcing them to play USO or RG. Maybe they have to gun for one of them if they want to win it. Or take a chance on both which I hope Rafa will do! But I doubt it.
I don’t see how it’s unfair though.
Lleytonstation
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It depends on how you look at it, unfair? I guess the results will tell the story more accurately. I do think it will be a massive talking point if they are forced to quarantine. But I don't think they are anymore?
TheGhostOfAgassi
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It’s probably too early to give a clear answer about the quarantine rules at the time when USO is finished? These things are changing all the time. The make decisions from the how the situation is and they can’t know that now. Players can’t plan as they are used to, as with everyone else in this world.
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In Rafa's case, I think he's so great at Roland Garros that he could play the US Open and then just practice on clay for a couple of weeks and win Roland Garros.
Also consider that if you play 7 matches at the US Open, you'll be in great ball-striking form, and you can use that form at Roland Garros IF you are able to adjust to clay quick enough.
Having said all of that, Rafa is committed to Madrid.
Also consider that if you play 7 matches at the US Open, you'll be in great ball-striking form, and you can use that form at Roland Garros IF you are able to adjust to clay quick enough.
Having said all of that, Rafa is committed to Madrid.
Lleytonstation
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Yep yep yep. He really want to play Madrid, but he will have to give that one up. Worth it though.
Zebrev
Hall of Fame
Right so you have Rafa winning both? Or does "play seven matches" mean he'll lose in USO final and then win the french?
Personally I think someone new is gonna win. Since start of 2017 only 3 men have won at the slam level, that can't continue forever.
Lleytonstation
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Oh but it can if the "new" guys are not as good, and they are not. Plus, it would only be 6 matches this time.
Raul_SJ
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If the French government and other Euro countries insist on holding RG and the warm up clay events in Madrid and Rome, they need to understand that many players will be returning from NYC... Most players cannot afford to skip the USO.
It makes a mockery of the entire tournament to be quarantining these returning players and prevent them from preparing for RG
Why? Doesn't Madrid begin a week after the USO final? And didn't Spain and Italy just announce they will not impose quarantine in Madrid and Rome for players returning from NYC ?
It makes a mockery of the entire tournament to be quarantining these returning players and prevent them from preparing for RG
Why? Doesn't Madrid begin a week after the USO final? And didn't Spain and Italy just announce they will not impose quarantine in Madrid and Rome for players returning from NYC ?
Novak Djokovic had initially said he would go to Flushing Meadows only if the officials agreed to waive the quarantine requirement upon returning to Europe. That wish was fulfilled days later by the sports ministry of Spain.
Lleytonstation
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Pretty quick turnaround, but I guess he could do it.
Raul_SJ
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You do not realize that money talks with these governments and that there are different rules for the elite professional entertainers ?
Which planet do you live on?
Novak Djokovic has gotten his wish.
Spanish daily AS has reported that the Consejo Superior de Deportes (Higher Sports Council) in Spain, at the request of the Ministry of the Internal Affairs, have confirmed that players entering Madrid don't need to self-isolate for 14 days.
The ministry classified tennis players as "highly qualified workers whose work is necessary and cannot be postponed or carried out remotely, including the participants in high level sports events that take place in Spain", who would thus not be required to observe the 14-day isolation period.
This essentially means that players like Novak Djokovic and others taking part in the US Open, i.e. individuals not be coming into Spain from the European Union, the Schengen area or from countries exempt from the temporary restriction of non-essential travel, will be able to land in Madrid and immediately play the Madrid Masters.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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i hope Rafa will do them both! Otherwise USO a bit boring for me to watch
Do you think he will?
He normally play like weeks in a row on clay every year. Think he could manage two masters and two slams in a row, but probably too much. I have no idea.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
Rafa is the King of Clay and would be favored at RG even if he came straight from the USO playing zero clay warm up events.
netlets
Professional
Actually, Djokovic will the be the one with more rest if he has to quarantine for 2 weeks while Rafa plays two warmup events after the US Open is over.
netlets
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I'm a Fed fan, but Rafa and Fed haven't beaten Djokovic in a slam in 6 years!!! Djokovic would win if they play best of 5 - like he did the last time they played at RG, which Djokovic won in a straight set demolition.
netlets
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I live in CT and am pretty worried about all of the Florida people that come here in the summer. They are supposed to quarantine for 2 weeks but many of them do not. It only takes one person to start a massive spread on the beach, etc.
Lleytonstation
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I think he plays 3 of 4. I think he wins at least 2 of them. It is Rafa, he will be fine, but he won't like it. Need to have the best playing at the tourneys though.i hope Rafa will do them both! Otherwise USO a bit boring for me to watch
Do you think he will?
He normally play like weeks in a row on clay every year. Think he could manage two masters and two slams in a row, but probably too much. I have no idea.
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Djokovic is DOOMED on clay, as good as DEAD.
Anyone could beat the 2015 version of Rafa....
Berdych beat 2015Rafa at the AO 62 60 76.
Murray beat 2015Rafa at Madrid 63 62.
Wawrinka beat 2015Rafa at Rome 76 62.
Fognini beat 2015Rafa at Rio, Barcelona and US Open.
2015Rafa lost to Berrer, Berdych, Fognini (x3), Raonic, Verdasco, Djokovic (x4), Murray, Wawrinka (x2), Dolgopolov, Brown, Nishikori, Lopez, Tsonga, Federer.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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Wish his absolute main focus were the slams.
Zebrev
Hall of Fame
Isn't Cincinati supposed to take place in just over a month? Parts of US are considering going BACK into lockdown because its so bad. Perhaps now isn't the time for a big event like Cincy to be played. Doesn't matter for Exho because anything happens they can just abondon everything no harm done, but a masters 1000?
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There was never a chance of Rafa playing Rome, because Rafa never plays the week before a slam.i hope Rafa will do them both! Otherwise USO a bit boring for me to watch
Do you think he will?
He normally play like weeks in a row on clay every year. Think he could manage two masters and two slams in a row, but probably too much. I have no idea.
But Rafa plays the week after a slam, including 2014 when he won Roland Garros (and cramped so badly he had to sit down in order to hold the trophy) and the next day was in Halle and lost to Dustin Brown.
So Madrid definitely, but Rome definitely not.
TheGhostOfAgassi
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I like Rome more
But I’ll take it, I’m not the one to give advice and to think I can plan it out better than Rafa lol
I have full trust he is doing what is the best for him and his chances. He wants 25, no?
Novak, since you're not coming from California, Texas, Florida, or any number of 20 southern/western states, we won't have to quarantine upon arrival for USO. However, if you decide to come to NY from your penthouse apartment in Miami, we'll have to quarantine you. Sincerely, Gov. Andy Cuomo
Raul_SJ
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Djoker is due for a big win on clay at RG over Rafa..
Unlike the hapless Fed with a pathetic 0-6 head to head at RG against Rafa, Djoker fears no-one on clay.
Thiem might even do Djoker a favor and knock off Rafa.
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At Djokovic's favorite slam (the Australian Open) he was down 2-sets-to-1 vs. Thiem in the Final!
Djokovic is due to be replaced at the AO of all places.....his last refuge.
So he's a non-factor at Roland Garros if Rafa and Thiem are playing....
Oh and even when Rafa was losing to everyone in 2015, Djokovic still feared Rafa in their Roland Garros meeting, as Djokovic led 4-0 in the 1st Set before Rafa came back to make it 5-5....
TripleATeam
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@NADALalot during 2015
At Nadal's favorite slam (Roland Garros) he was down 3-sets-to-0 vs. Djokovic in the 4th Round!
Nadal is due to be replaced at RG of all places.....his last refuge.
@NADALalot during 2011
At Nadal's favorite slam (Roland Garros) he was down 2-sets-to-1 vs. Isner in the 1st Round!
Nadal is due to be replaced at RG of all places.....his last refuge.
Djokovic won the last 2 Wimbledons, won the last 2 AOs, and 1 of the last 2 USOs. What about Djokovic's 20 match win streak seemed like Djokovic's last legs to you?
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You misquoted me (regarding 2011). Now go and edit your post, or I will put you on my Ignore List within the next 10 minutes.
Plus you aren't smart enough to post here, because you don't realize the difference between the 1st Round and the FINAL.
When a legend is in a Final at his favorite slam, he's supposed to have control over his kingdom (and Djokovic no longer has control over his kingdom, and had to bank on Thiem's fatigue and nerves).
Whereas in the 1st Round of a slam, upsets are always possible, because legends are not usually in-form during the early rounds....
TripleATeam
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I didn't misquote you, I'm interpreting your words and taking them to their logical conclusion. You're as rabid a Nadal fan as they come and you bring down the whole board by posting. You might not see my posts in the future, but people who understand logic will - that's enough for me.
"Oh no! @NADALalot is going to put me on his ignore list! I won't get to talk to him anymore!
"I understand the difference very well, but the difference between a 5th set and losing is big. Talk to me when Djokovic loses an AO SF or F.
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There is nothing logical about comparing a 1st Round to a FINAL.I didn't misquote you, I'm interpreting your words and taking them to their logical conclusion. You're as rabid a Nadal fan as they come and you bring down the whole board by posting. You might not see my posts in the future, but people who understand logic will - that's enough for me.
"Oh no! @NADALalot is going to put me on his ignore list! I won't get to talk to him anymore!
I understand the difference very well, but the difference between a 5th set and losing is big. Talk to me when Djokovic loses an AO SF or F.
You aren't smart enough to be here (despite the bar of a sports forum being very low), and I'll make sure I never see you again.
TripleATeam
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Sure! Bye bye, honey! Have a good time being "smart" on these boards!
R1 and final are still both tennis matches, bud.
The big difference Novak beat 2011 2013 2014 2015 2016 Nadal on clay
. Novak was out of form in 2017-2018. He stillplayed a good set in Rome 2018 and got a set out of him in 2019.
Thiem in Nadal's half would boost Novak's chances.
As player's council president, ***** should be demanding that all the dirt tournaments be pushed back a few weeks instead of suggesting governments allow him to break quarantine rules. How important does he think tennis is?
All of this was avoidable. It was pure arrogance and stupidity of the FFT that created the scheduling problem, it's the FFT the players should be demanding fix things if they are unhappy.
All of this was avoidable. It was pure arrogance and stupidity of the FFT that created the scheduling problem, it's the FFT the players should be demanding fix things if they are unhappy.
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That 2019 Rome match is the most lopsided match they've ever played of those with a deciding set.The big difference Novak beat 2011 2013 2014 2015 2016 Nadal on clay
played a good set in Rome 2018 and got a set out of him in 2019.
Thiem in Nadal's half would boost Novak's chances.
I mean, 60 46 61.
Djokovic was not just outplayed, but was actually killed for 2 of those sets, including the first bagel in the history of their rivalry.
Novak got a set even being exhausted. You have to take into account Novak was coming from his victory in Madrid and had a crazy schedule in Rome.
Bear in mind that fresh Nadal got destroyed at the AO 2019.
Hitman
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Raul_SJ
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Yep Djokovic "fancied his chances" in Rome and lost 60 46 61, oh so close..... only the most lopsided match ever to go the distance....
Due to ankle surgery, Rafa couldn't even practice his retrieving in January 2019, and that is why Rafa was mysteriously playing short points throughout the tournament....
"....because of the things that happened to me in terms of surgery, then what happened in Abu Dhabi, I was not able to work that much the defensive game. I worked a lot on the offensive game, but not that much on the defensive game.
To play against a player like him, playing the way he played tonight, I needed that defensive game to finally have the chance to be offensive, no?"
https://ausopen.com/articles/interviews/rafael-nadal-f-interview
And Djokovic still couldn't get a breadstick in that match, let alone a bagel!
And Rafa went on to lose in the Semis of Monte Carlo, Barcelona and Madrid....
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We get it. A fit Nadal never loses....
What happened at the ATP cup this year? Too much Jet Lag?
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Rafa lost to Goffin in the ATP Cup and looked really bad vs. De Minaur too.
He's rarely in-form in early January.
In fact Monfils has only ever beaten Rafa at Doha (twice), never anywhere else.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
If Djoker shows up, Rafa shows up.
No way the defending champion Rafa sits at home and watches Djoker capture #18 in NYC.
If he does, it would be a huge cowardly mistake. Does not matter that skipping the U.S. and winning the French might arguably be the higher percentage play.
True GOATs simply do not think like that. GOATs like Djoker take on the challenge of winning BOTH within one month!
That is the mindset of a champion.
No way the defending champion Rafa sits at home and watches Djoker capture #18 in NYC.
If he does, it would be a huge cowardly mistake. Does not matter that skipping the U.S. and winning the French might arguably be the higher percentage play.
True GOATs simply do not think like that. GOATs like Djoker take on the challenge of winning BOTH within one month!
That is the mindset of a champion.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Why would he be out of form in January?
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
More scaremongering.
If Djoker follows the tournament rules while on the court and behaves himself in his hotel room (no partying and dancing as in Belgrade), he will not be in close contact with another human.
The Guru
Legend
What happened? Isn't that true? He won Madrid and then won two battles with Diego and Del Po no?No need to mention the reality of what happened going into that match.
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