@ Doublehand&LovinIt + Craig A Clark Re: Transition Estusa->Volkl

Londonfields

New User
Hi all, noob here (at least on this forum!).

First of all I’d like to thank everyone on this forum. I have read a LOT in the last few days whilst waiting to be able to post and I’m very impressed with the quality! Only problem is that it's too bloody easy to get sucked in... Lead weight this, swing weight that, Is Fed playing with factory standard racquets, how do you hit a straight forehand winner down the backhand line etc. It should be sooo dull but strangely I find myself captivated ;-) Big up!

Now you might be wondering why I’ve addressed the thread to Doublehand&LovinIt and Craig A. Clark. It’s simple really: through scouring the threads about stuff on the Volkl dnx10’s I found out that they both used to play the (classic and irreplaceable) Estusa BB PBP before making the transition to Volkls(?). I am, as of the last week, planning to do the same thing and was hoping to get some insight before I take the plunge.

I’m 32 years old, have played since I was five, and used to compete (although unsuccessfully ?) fairly regularly until about 17-18. Since my late teens I’ve played very little though, prolly on average five hours a year (apart from one year when I played quite a lot) which has resulted in fitness level well under the desireable.

Recently I’ve started playing a bit more regularly though, and actually started to have some real fun on the court again. -It is this that has inspired me to upgrade to something a little more modern (and less demanding?). I mean, we all love the eighties but sometime you have to realise the world’s evolved and cut your losses, lol

My game is mainly based around the baseline (so much for trying to emulate the great Bom-Bom!) and I’ve got a solid, deep FH but a slightly weaker single handed BH (due to a late switch that was never cemented). Volley’s decent, serve’s varied between flat-ish and kick etc. etc. Think you get the picture… Not being from the US and not having played much in the last ten years makes it a bit difficult to estimate any potential rating but after having read up on it and seen a video or two I would estimate it to be in the range 4.0 – 5.0, without being too specific ?

Now to the point of this post:

I had initially shortlisted two racquets: theWilson n6.1 95 and the Volkl DNX10 MP.
I’ve tested the old 6.1 PS 95 once or twice in the past few years and the improvement/difference was considerable (to my old trusty ones). I’d probably go as far as saying that I really liked them. I’m not going to go into specifics here as I think my expression might falter a bit, but I will say that it fits what I’m after; a player’s frame with emphasise on control, not too different to what I have but rather an updated version with a bigger sweet spot that is more forgiving. (You’ll prolly flame me here for blatant inaccuracies but what the hell!! lol) Then I started looking around for alternatives; you can’t ‘not’ do your research right? And I came across the Volkl… OkOk, I’ll stop rambling and get to the point.

I have more or less decided to get the Volkl DNX10’s, out of vanity more than anything else, but one crucial choice remains. Should I humour my vanity even more and go for the Mid, which by other people’s admission plays like it should be larger than 93*(think noMojo said something to that effect?), or should I realise that I’m past it and it will only be downhill (continue??) from here and go for the MidPlus? Ahh the difficult choices we are faced with in life!

Naturally, the solution would have been to demo them both and that would have been that, but sadly, Tennis here in the UK is not as accessible to the masses as across the pond, which means its appeal is limited. -A fact that somewhat limits the possibilities of both finding good gear and to trying it out before buying. And should you find a pro shop where you could demo some sticks, you’re likely to have to be a member of the particular club where the shop’s located. Some tennis centres allow non-members to play but it comes at a cost: Roundabout $35/hour!!!

Hmm, on second thought… I might forget about the whole thing and start playing soccer or smthng instead… much less stressful and I’ll have a lot more cash left at the end of the day, lol

Well, the plan’s to take the plunge and just get one to start with. Suppose one could always stick it on **** I it doesn’t work out… Or just ‘learn’ to play with it!

So which should I get? Any ideas? Any input’s welcome!

Oh, and before I forget: Doublehand&LovinIt and Craig A. Clark, if you have any thoughts, recommendations or advice it’d be most appreciated. Since you come from tha same background as I, you may have some invaluable insight into what I’m about to experience.

-------I have sinned, I have strayed, but I finally found the light again-------
 

newnuse

Professional
$35/hour.... ouch... man do they have public courts like over here in the colonies?? I live in Southern California and there are tons of courts at the local parks, schools etc...

I took a trip to London, had lunch in Chinatown at some hole in the wall chinese restaurant... the bill came out to 30 pounds for 2... ouch... despite the high costs.... I really liked London

You made no mention of hitting with the DNX10... have you tried it... Volkls have a very unique feel... best to hit with one since the feel is so unique. Very different from Wilsons
 

Londonfields

New User
Hey,

Yeah it's a bit pricey here... We do have a fair amount of public courts in parks and stuff. You usually have to pay a small fee if the 'ranger' can be bothered to come around and collect so it's not really free. One downside is that they're all outdoors and with the temperamental weather here, they're really only reliably available from April to October. So I guess it's not really the availability of courts that's the bone, but the availability of outlets that stock tennis gear. I remember a number of years ago when I was after a pair of tennis shoes. I went to about three 'sports shops' and none of them had anything even close (that's a lie, they had adidas stan smith and nike tennis classics I think :)). In the end I asked and apparently only pro shops carry tennis shoes, with the possible exception of a 'sports department store' called Lillywhites on Piccadilly Circus.

To be honest, I've never hit with a Volkl. I wanted to when I was a teenager, I always liked the sound of the name, the look of the frames and the fact that they're fairly rare. But I never got around to it. Guess they never carried Volkl at my local club or sports shops (actually I know they didn't), but i should have had other opportunities...

I'm actually going to make a couple of phone calls tomorrow to see whether it can be sorted out. I mean, it's London, where it takes an hour just to get out the door and down to the local pub, so there's bound to be a certain amount of hassle involved, but there are three clubs which aren't too far away from me.
 

DoubleHanded&LovinIt

Professional
Hello,

I currently played with the Babolat Pure Drive Roddick Standard, but before that I played with the Estusa Power Beam Braided. The Estusa served wonderfully and was great for sliced backhands. However, it doesn't compare to the Babolat from the ground. I've transitioned to becoming more of a baseline player so the change has helped me a great deal.

With regard to my experience with Volkls--first of all, I didn't transition from a Volkl to the Estusa. I actually had been hitting with a Vantage and a Babolat Pure Drive. I loved the solid feel of the Vantage and also the juice of the Babolat.

Then came the Estusa, which I got for free from my pro. Yes--this racquet, as NoBadMojo accurately stated in his review, is perfect for serve-and-volley play. But from the ground, it can't keep up. Enter the Babolat Pure Drive Roddick Standard which combines the solid feel of Vantage via added weight and the Cortex system with Babolat's juicy factor--I'm in heaven.

Volkls are great, great racquets. They have a great feel--very raw. You can pick up all kinds of subtlety. I've owned and played extensively with two Volkls--the C10 Pro MP and the Catapult 8 V-Engine. Both were fine, fine frames but underpowered for me. The 8 served and volleyed fantastically, the C10 volleyed fantastically, but neither had the kind of potential I needed for my game, which as I've stated, is played primarily from the back of the court.

If I were you, I would transition away from Estusa to Volkl if that is the choice you are facing. Estusa's Power Beam line is fantastic, but hard to comeby (at least here in the U.S.). Not only that, but you really don't see anyone playing with these anymore--they don't have the kind of juice you need to keep up in the modern game.

From the sounds of things, the DNX V1, 8, and 9 sound delicious, as does the DNX 10 Mid (atleast in the part of me that still wants to play serve-and-volley).

Assess your game and determine whether or not you want to further strengthen your strengths or improve your weaknesses. If I wanted to improve my strengths, which are to bomb serves, come to net and stick volleys, and rip returns then I would have gone the Volkl route. But because I'm trying to become a consistent baseliner, more of an all-court player who counterpunches from the back, I have decided to go the Babolat, polyester, low-tension, improved fitness for better movement route.

All the luck to you. I hope that was helpful. Keep in mind this is coming from an NTRP 4.0-4.5 player with a semi-western forehand, eastern one-handed backhand, who relies on serve-and-volley on first serve, stays back on seconds, and DOES NOT chip and charge off the return. My game is in transition so my advice might not be the most helpful or sound schizophrenic.

I'm sure Craig will give you some great insights. He sounds like a much better player than me, he writes FANTASTIC reviews, and his admitted obsession with testing racquets all bode well for you in terms of obtaining the information you need.
 

Londonfields

New User
Thanks for the reply man! Think I might have got it a bit muddled but thought for a sec that you both had transitioned from the PB, but guess it was only Craig. Anyway, you make a valid point about the serve and volley bit; I too tend to stick to the base line mostly. I guess that would push me towards the MP rather than the mid...

Oh well, we'll see what gives after I've called around a bit...
 
Londonfields said:
Thanks for the reply man! Think I might have got it a bit muddled but thought for a sec that you both had transitioned from the PB, but guess it was only Craig. Anyway, you make a valid point about the serve and volley bit; I too tend to stick to the base line mostly. I guess that would push me towards the MP rather than the mid...

Oh well, we'll see what gives after I've called around a bit...

Greetings!

I dearly loved the Estusa PBP and used it for a couple of years, coming immediately between the end of my PS 6.0 85 era and the current racquet purgatory w/in which I dwell. :)

The Estusa is a VERY demanding frame. With it I could serve well, and I LOVED the feel and touch on volleys. However it is very string sensitive (requires gut to get the best from the frame) and tough to hit consistently off the ground (remember, I like small, heavy frames and I am saying this to you!)

If you are a baseline player, you will be better served by other frames, and might just really like one of the Volkls. They offer a similiar feel but are WAY more forgiving and easy to play, w/ much larger sweetspots.

How's that? Short, sweet, and honest!! ;)

Good luck in your search!!

Craig Clark
 

max

Legend
I've used the Estusa and now use Volkl. That's a sensible bridge, Estusa to Volkl. I'd recommend giving the C-10 a try; it's really still a remarkable frame one should not write off.
 

Londonfields

New User
Cheers guys for the responses!

Have been away from the computer for a few days so haven't been able to reply. Back now however...

For a little while things got a little bit complicated: I rang my bro who's a lot more in tune with equipment than I am (and a lot better player than I). After reviewing the two racquets I was considering he came up with yet another frame that he would recommend: The Head Flexpoint Prestige.
(Craig: thought it was a funny coincidence that you're now facing a similar choice).

My problems sort of ended last night around 2am however when I bought this on ****: http://tinyurl.com/grwox

A complete bargain, as long as I don't get screwed in any way, almost like your TW demo service. I can totally try it out for a bit and the get rid of it if I don't like it!

Max: thanks for advice, I'd love to consider different stuff too but since it seems about as difficult to demo racquets here in London as it seems in Argentina, Hong Kong or KL I'd do my self more harm than good expanding the choice. Have spoken to one club not too far away from where I live and they od offer demoing but they only carry Wilson(!). SO not much help there. You'll probably find that in most shops that they only carry a couple of brands and those are probably most likely to be Head and Wilson...

I'll let you know when the new stick arrives! (Can't bloody wait now!!)
 

Duzza

Legend
Londonfields said:
Cheers guys for the responses!

Have been away from the computer for a few days so haven't been able to reply. Back now however...

For a little while things got a little bit complicated: I rang my bro who's a lot more in tune with equipment than I am (and a lot better player than I). After reviewing the two racquets I was considering he came up with yet another frame that he would recommend: The Head Flexpoint Prestige.
(Craig: thought it was a funny coincidence that you're now facing a similar choice).

My problems sort of ended last night around 2am however when I bought this on ****: http://tinyurl.com/grwox

A complete bargain, as long as I don't get screwed in any way, almost like your TW demo service. I can totally try it out for a bit and the get rid of it if I don't like it!

Max: thanks for advice, I'd love to consider different stuff too but since it seems about as difficult to demo racquets here in London as it seems in Argentina, Hong Kong or KL I'd do my self more harm than good expanding the choice. Have spoken to one club not too far away from where I live and they od offer demoing but they only carry Wilson(!). SO not much help there. You'll probably find that in most shops that they only carry a couple of brands and those are probably most likely to be Head and Wilson...

I'll let you know when the new stick arrives! (Can't bloody wait now!!)
I hate to tell you but that racquet you bought is a fake, and the seller has a bad reputation...










































Just Kidding! Looks awesome I didn't realise that was the DNX 10, i tried out the V1 or something the DNX1(?)weeks before it came out in stores and it was terrible I hated it so much, hope this is a good one.
 

Londonfields

New User
I hate to tell you but that racquet you bought is a fake, and the seller has a bad reputation...
Ba*%&rd!! You had me there for a split second :mrgreen: Was about to jump off a bridge...

Well as far as I can see it looks alright and the seller has some seemingly real feedback so it's worth the gamble. And if it's dodgy I've learnt a lesson.

I was in a similar situation when I spent about $1000 on a mountainbike a few months ago. The seller was a bit erratic with his responses to my emails so I got a bit nervous but it was all fine in the end and I had myself a complete bargain (it costs new something like $2500+ over here), only a year old and with v little use...

I love that company!!! Whoooaahhhh!!! The company of which we do not speak... :D
 

Londonfields

New User
Yeah, and the dnx 10 should be a real weapon. There's lots and lots written about it on this forum, by people like NoBadMojo, Craig Clark (Above)and others. It should be massively different to the dnx 1 which is a highpowered recreational racquet if I'm not completely wrong. This one's a player's racquet with low power and lots of feel.
 

Duzza

Legend
Yeah well when i tested the DNX for the first time i wasn't sure what the specs were, it's weird, it felt like a beast. I have no idea why..
 
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