Even teenagers dope

[booson]

The ITF has made public the recent decision about the doping cases of two KIDS.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/176948.aspx

A 16 year old spaniard and a 18 year old russian. Isn't it sad? This two kids doping at this age. What kind of pressure must they be under so that they have to incur to doping? It's a shame.

 

[BMcFarlan]

Assuming this testing is done at the GSs and ATP tournaments, am I being excessively naive assuming doping isn't rampant in the men's tour?

 

[Bud]

"Both players asserted that the stanozolol, for which they did not hold a valid TUE, had entered their system through their ingestion of pills provided to them by an unidentified pharmacist whom they befriended at the Granadia Tennis Club."

Some stranger offers you pills and you take them, no questions asked? Seriously? ​

 

[Sentinel]

Stanazolol ! FCS, the same crap that Ben Johnson took.

 

[furryballs]

Tyson Gay just got done as well..

 

[serengetisunset]

"Both players asserted that the stanozolol, for which they did not hold a valid TUE, had entered their system through their ingestion of pills provided to them by an unidentified pharmacist whom they befriended at the Granadia Tennis Club."

Some stranger offers you pills and you take them, no questions asked? Seriously? ​

TUE is the key. That is how top players do it.

 

[furryballs]

Assuming this testing is done at the GSs and ATP tournaments, am I being excessively naive assuming doping isn't rampant in the men's tour?

what can i say.........YES

 

[furryballs]

TUE is the key. That is how top players do it.

which players happen to have these TUE's then?the russian guy is obviously based in spain as well?

 

[TheMusicLover]

Rather remarkable that the ITF/ATP is perfectly capable to catch 'expendable characters' doping in the sport (this time, indeed, KIDS), but never the top guys or, better expressed, the sport's major cash cows...

Pretty sad indeed.

 

[Boom-Boom]

Rather remarkable that the ITF/ATP is perfectly capable to catch 'expendable characters' doping in the sport (this time, indeed, KIDS), but never the top guys or, better expressed, the sport's major cash cows...

Pretty sad indeed.

Yep that's pretty sad. If teenagers (or top players at your local club) have access to that stuff, imagine what the top10 is taking :shock:

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Stanazolol ! FCS, the same crap that Ben Johnson took.

sunny STANAZOLOL X1000
(how about some stanozololcats ?)

 

[booson]

Assuming this testing is done at the GSs and ATP tournaments, am I being excessively naive assuming doping isn't rampant in the men's tour?

Passing tests is easy or, at least, it was before the passport. It was a matter of scheluding. Nowadays, I'm not sure, but I'm certain that as testers have come up with the passport, dopers will come up with something else. Cycling still has its fair share of EPO users despite the passport. But this thread isn't about that. It's about the pressures that professional players have to be in order to fall to this kind of "solutions". Doping at 16, that's just sad.

 

[TheMusicLover]

Yep that's pretty sad. If teenagers (or top players at your local club) have access to that stuff, imagine what the top10 is taking :shock:

Draw your conclusion

 

[Goosehead]

The ITF has made public the recent decision about the doping cases of two KIDS.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/176948.aspx

A 16 year old spaniard and a 18 year old russian. Isn't it sad? This two kids doping at this age. What kind of pressure must they be under so that they have to incur to doping? It's a shame.

maybe they heard the top players are juiced up. so they do the same.

 

[Chico]

I find it quite interesting that there is a Spaniard involved in every doping scandal.

 

[dudeski]

I find it quite interesting that there is a Spaniard involved in every doping scandal.

I find it quite interesting that Spaniards throw bananas during soccer matches at black players.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2045221-dani-alves-highlights-continuing-problem-of-racism-in-spanish-football

 

[Vrad]

I find it quite interesting that there is a Spaniard involved in every doping scandal.

It's not a surprise. It was legal in Spain until a couple of years ago. Also, the entire Spanish legal and political system has worked to prevent the anti-doping agencies from finding who the other dopers are, such as the infamous decision to destroy evidence which would help unearth the other Spanish players being doped by him.

http://www.dw.de/world-sports-authorities-condemn-decision-to-destroy-fuentes-evidence/a-16783118

 

[Smasher08]

Nads' butt.

It's picky.

 

[Smasher08]

I find it quite interesting that there is a Spaniard involved in every doping scandal.

I find it interesting that one Spanish tennis player's kvetching resulted in the Spanish parliament passing a law forbidding testing after certain hours.

And nowadays a lot of cyclists like to train there.

 

[Smasher08]

I find it quite interesting, that a Serbian was caught doping, and currently under Doping Ban, i.e Troicki. And how his country mate Tipsarevic, has all of a sudden vanished from the scene

You meant this facetiously, but doesn't it also roughly coincide with another country mate going slam free?

 

[Boom-Boom]

You meant this facetiously, but doesn't it also roughly coincide with another country mate going slam free?

Very interesting feat indeed... :mrgreen:

 

[pkil]

The ITF has made public the recent decision about the doping cases of two KIDS.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/176948.aspx

A 16 year old spaniard and a 18 year old russian. Isn't it sad? This two kids doping at this age. What kind of pressure must they be under so that they have to incur to doping? It's a shame.

Pretty bad

 

[*Sparkle*]

But this thread isn't about that. It's about the pressures that professional players have to be in order to fall to this kind of "solutions". Doping at 16, that's just sad.

Unfortunately, 16 year olds do a lot of stupid things, and the people pushing the pills don't care who gets caught. The kids will presume that as low ranked players in lowly tournaments, they won't get tested, so may as well give it a go.

Hopefully this case will get a lot of publicity and warn off others who might try the same.

There's a good chance those players would never have made it, with or without chemical help, but there's also a good chance that a dodgy man with magic pills could be selling vulnerable teenagers stuff that could damage their health, with no accountability.

 

[veroniquem]

The ITF has made public the recent decision about the doping cases of two KIDS.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/176948.aspx

A 16 year old spaniard and a 18 year old russian. Isn't it sad? This two kids doping at this age. What kind of pressure must they be under so that they have to incur to doping? It's a shame.

We've known that since Andre's autobiography. I was really surprised that wasn't the main scandal from his book tbh. People seemed to focus mainly on the crystal meth incident but I always thought his intimating that kids were given illegal stimulants by parents or coaches in a matter-of-fact way a much more worrisome and explosive revelation.

 

[ctoth666]

Well, they are teenagers. That's not surprising that teenagers are doping, is it? Well, it depends what we're talking about...

 

[Tennis_Hands]

We've known that since Andre's autobiography. I was really surprised that wasn't the main scandal from his book tbh. People seemed to focus mainly on the crystal meth incident but I always thought his intimating that kids were given illegal stimulants by parents or coaches in a matter-of-fact way a much more worrisome and explosive revelation.

Madrid. Spain.

10EufemianoFuentes

 

[West Coast Ace]

Some stranger offers you pills and you take them, no questions asked? Seriously?

It's a European thing. Like Cilic sending his mom to the pharmacy and letting the pharmacist convince her that the 'cold meds' were ok for drug tested athletes. Yeah, cool story.

Amazing that the top players are calling for more testing, fans want to know they're seeing legit events, but not a peep out of the ITF/ATP about more testing.

 

[Nathaniel_Near]

I find it quite interesting, that a Serbian was caught doping, and currently under Doping Ban, i.e Troicki. And how his country mate Tipsarevic, has all of a sudden vanished from the scene during the same time. Silent ban much?

Definitely raises doubts even on the players supporting Troicki

That's fascinating! What do you suppose this says about Novak Djokovic?

I'm extremely curious about your opinion.

 

[cc0509]

I find it quite interesting, that a Serbian was caught doping, and currently under Doping Ban, i.e Troicki. And how his country mate Tipsarevic, has all of a sudden vanished from the scene during the same time. Silent ban much?

Definitely raises doubts even on the players supporting Troicki

Are you trying to imply that a certain Serbian player may be doping but not a certain Spanish player? Newsflash: All of the top players are using some kind of PED. Impossible that they are not.

 

[sureshs]

Rather remarkable that the ITF/ATP is perfectly capable to catch 'expendable characters' doping in the sport (this time, indeed, KIDS), but never the top guys or, better expressed, the sport's major cash cows...

Pretty sad indeed.

There is nobody to catch among the top guys. All of them are clean. It may not fit in with your conspiracy theories, but that is the truth.

 

[ace_pace]

IMO sports stopped being clean long ago. Wouldn't be surprised if half of the top 10 are on PEDs.

 

[cknobman]

They identified the pharmacist as someone who called himself Nafael Radal. They have not been able to successfully track this individual down but have leads that suggest he will be in Madrid this week.

 

[cc0509]

There is nobody to catch among the top guys. All of them are clean. It may not fit in with your conspiracy theories, but that is the truth.

LOL, yeah right, not a chance! Go back to the Dark Ages where you belong.

 

[Djokovic2011]

LOL, yeah right, not a chance! Go back to the Dark Ages where you belong.

What sources do you have that the top guys dope?

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

Forget Novak and Nadal, they're probably dopers.

But what's the reason for Fed's resurgence? Is it just the bigger racquet, Edberg's coaching....?

 

[cc0509]

What sources do you have that the top guys dope?

My brain? In this day and age it is naive to think that any pro athlete has not indulged in some sort of PED regimen. IMO the top guys all likely dope.

 

[Djokovic2011]

My brain? In this day and age it is naive to think that any pro athlete has not indulged in some sort of PED regimen. IMO the top guys all likely dope.

I'm sorry but that's just not good enough. Give me proof, I want proof!

 

[TheMusicLover]

I'm sorry but that's just not good enough. Give me proof, I want proof!

Until lately, there wasn't any 'proof' of Armstrong et al. doping either... now we know each and everyone of them did.

In any sport where there's heaps of $$$$$$$$$$, eternal Fame & Fortune on the line, there will be doping occuring. I see no reason why tennis would be an exception to that rule, even the more as testing appears to be rather lax in tennis.

It's impossible to provide any 'proof' as long as there's no disclosure about the testing regimes, results and measures taken, but I think it's a lot more plausible to think that ALL of them are onto something, than that none of them are, or only a small minority.

 

[kOaMaster]

(how about some stanozololcats ?)

I could provide you musclecat!

 

[Vrad]

I'm sorry but that's just not good enough. Give me proof, I want proof!

This is exactly what Armstrong supporters sounded like.

With the horrible job the ITF has done in ensuring the sport is clean, and looking at the results in pretty much every other sport where a serious attempt has been made to find dopers (and they've almost always been found, esp at the top), it seems to me that in a sport like tennis, it will be guilty until proven innocent. The ITF only just made the first step in actually eliminating doping by instituting the blood passport, but even it's success depends on how it is executed.

Btw, it is very likely top tennis players are doping because Fuentes explicitly mentioned top tennis players (along with soccer players) as his clients, other than cyclists.

 

[sureshs]

Why don't you get some evidence?

 

[Boom-Boom]

Think what you want. IMO all top players likely dope. What I have seen in all other pro sports and with the lax testing in tennis and the strange performance surges/injury breaks with many of the top players, that is enough to convince me. Not to mention the fact that Agassi admitted failing a drug test and having the ATP sweep it under the rug and admitted many coaches/parents give PEDs to their players/kids. Then you have guys like Cilic and Troicki being suspended. You do the math. Careful don't stretch your brain too far though.

That is pretty much evidence indeed.

Talking of Cilic, Troicki (strongly supported by Djokovic bzw, ND who also during the Miami Open posted on twitter a pic of training with Wayne Odesnik, banned for 2 years in 2010 for being caught with HGH), what happened to Tipsarevic?

 

[ivan_the_terrible]

There is nobody to catch among the top guys. All of them are clean. It may not fit in with your conspiracy theories, but that is the truth.

Totally agree, it's unimaginable to think how a doped Nadal would perform, wouldn't it?

 

[rolliges]

Rumors of the USTA using HGH to "heal injuries" and filing TUEs. Go to a Futures event; no one in any national program is under 6'2".

 

[Smasher08]

That's a good point, indeed.



It means either of 2 things:
- Djoko supports his fellow countryman. Even though Troicki was wrong, Novak still supported him and went on record against the ITF & WADA.
- Djoko himself might be guilty of taking some stuff. And feels bad for Troicki that he got caught, while the Top players escape such incidents.

Or it could mean BOTH.
Btw, my first post was in a jest to a certain poster who tried to accuse all Spanish players of doping.

Just to raise a point relevant to this post: imo it's never a good idea to give professional athletes a diplomatic passport -- at least not before they retire from competiton.

Even if certain athletes are of the highest integrity and soundest judgment, there will always be bad apples who abuse the accompanying immunity.

 

[booson]

What sources do you have that the top guys dope?

Are you seriously asking this? Jesus Christ, I thought people around here would be a little smarter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2384113/Dick-Pound-Doping-widespread-sport.html

When the institutions' politics force to HIDE any case related info unless the doper is completely careless, the audience must be so much more aware and vigilant. Sadly, people like you reward dopers behavior. Such a shame.

We've known that since Andre's autobiography. I was really surprised that wasn't the main scandal from his book tbh. People seemed to focus mainly on the crystal meth incident but I always thought his intimating that kids were given illegal stimulants by parents or coaches in a matter-of-fact way a much more worrisome and explosive revelation.

You're totally right. That's the power of the links between media and the huge sports industry, though. Take focus from the important things and put it on something else.

 

[LotusTang]

Old school steroids.

 

[mellowyellow]

Totally agree, it's unimaginable to think how a doped Nadal would perform, wouldn't it?

Likely at that high physical level they would cause more injuries than help, wait....

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

I could provide you musclecat!

looks as clean as a nadal...

 

[Boom-Boom]

looks as clean as a nadal...

Well TBH, the Nadal seems a bit more clean since the AO :twisted: