Fed will end up thanking Novak

[monfed]

Nadal is 17-8 against Federer and 16-13 against Djokovic, that's 7-2 and 5-2 in majors respectively. I think you'll find the head-to-head stats still favour Nadal.

LMAO

Prime Novak is 6-0 against Prime Nadal. The 16-13 is gonna be overturned very soon so enjoy it while it lasts!

Fed leads Nadal 6-5 on non clay surfaces. Nadal is a one surface wonder, clay great nothing more.

 

[SystemicAnomaly]

Sampras did.

Nope. Sampras' longest stretch of consecutive weeks at #1 is 102. Compare that to 157 consecutive weeks for Lendl, 160 weeks for Connors and a mind-blowing 237 for Federer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ATP_number_1_ranked_singles_players#Weeks_at_number_1

 

[tennis_pro]

Novak took away Nadal's confidence in their specific matchup not overall against the field or do you see Nadal lacking confidence against for example Fed or Murray?

Novak did not damage Nadal's career more(let alone *way* more) than he did Fed's so far, he took the same amount of slams from both of them. You're basing your opinion on your expectations of Novak continuing to beat Nadal in multiple slam finals in the future which may or may not happen, things can change extremely quickly in sports.

I think we witnessed the first signs of Djokovic mental advantage over Nadal after he beat him on clay.

Rome (or was it Madrid?) - 2 games away from losing to 200 ranked Lorenzi in straight sets, then lost to Djokovic again in the final
French Open - Isner was 2-1 in sets in the first round against him
Queen's/Wimbledon - obvious tank in the Tsonga match, at Wimbledon he was being outplayed by Murray in the first 1,5 sets before Murray, as usual, reminded us of what a mental midget he was
Toronto - lost to Ivan Dodig
Cincinnati - straight setted by Fish
US Open - first tournament in a while when he played really well, Djokovic, even with an injured back breadsticked him again.

What's next?

 

[tennis_pro]

LMAO

Prime Novak is 6-0 against Prime Nadal. The 16-13 is gonna be overturned very soon so enjoy it while it lasts!

Fed leads Nadal 6-5 on non clay surfaces. Nadal is a one surface wonder, clay great nothing more.

If you take away clay, Federer is dead even against Nadal in majors at 2-2
If you take away clay, Djokovic is dead even against Nadal in majors at 2-2. I'm not sure Nadal would be favored over Djokovic at the French, anyway.

 

[BULLZ1LLA]

(As Nadal has already said he will re-style his game in 2012 to beat Djokovic, it will be interesting to see how people view 2011 in the future if Nadal ends up continuing to lead Djokovic h2h for the remainder of their careers. It may seem unfair to Djokovic, but if he doesn't continue to dominate Nadal, nobody will really appreciate the 6-0 2011 domination. The overall h2h will always count for more, and if Nadal stays ahead in that then Nadal has Djokovic's number)

 

[monfed]

(As Nadal has already said he will re-style his game in 2012 to beat Djokovic, it will be interesting to see how people view 2011 in the future if Nadal ends up continuing to lead Djokovic h2h for the remainder of their careers. It may seem unfair to Djokovic, but if he doesn't continue to dominate Nadal, nobody will really appreciate the 6-0 2011 domination. The overall h2h will always count for more, and if Nadal stays ahead in that then Nadal has Djokovic's number)

Hope is eternal. :lol:

 

[aphex]

(As Nadal has already said he will re-style his game in 2012 to beat Djokovic, it will be interesting to see how people view 2011 in the future if Nadal ends up continuing to lead Djokovic h2h for the remainder of their careers. It may seem unfair to Djokovic, but if he doesn't continue to dominate Nadal, nobody will really appreciate the 6-0 2011 domination. The overall h2h will always count for more, and if Nadal stays ahead in that then Nadal has Djokovic's number)

I heard he's becoming a rightie.

 

[CocaCola]

(As Nadal has already said he will re-style his game in 2012 to beat Djokovic, it will be interesting to see how people view 2011 in the future if Nadal ends up continuing to lead Djokovic h2h for the remainder of their careers. It may seem unfair to Djokovic, but if he doesn't continue to dominate Nadal, nobody will really appreciate the 6-0 2011 domination. The overall h2h will always count for more, and if Nadal stays ahead in that then Nadal has Djokovic's number)

Re-style his game :lol:... you should give him some tips from Top Spin.

 

[aprilfool]

Nope. Sampras' longest stretch of consecutive weeks at #1 is 102. Compare that to 157 consecutive weeks for Lendl, 160 weeks for Connors and a mind-blowing 237 for Federer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ATP_number_1_ranked_singles_players#Weeks_at_number_1

That and the fact that Nadal has the record of consecutive weeks at number two running concurrently with Federers Number One streak is very telling...

 

[celoft]

(As Nadal has already said he will re-style his game in 2012 to beat Djokovic, it will be interesting to see how people view 2011 in the future if Nadal ends up continuing to lead Djokovic h2h for the remainder of their careers. It may seem unfair to Djokovic, but if he doesn't continue to dominate Nadal, nobody will really appreciate the 6-0 2011 domination. The overall h2h will always count for more, and if Nadal stays ahead in that then Nadal has Djokovic's number)

LOL. I told you Nole would beat Nadal in the USO final. :lol:

If Nadal wins a slam next year, it's because Nole loses BEFORE the final. No other way.

 

[West Coast Ace]

Nope. Sampras' longest stretch of consecutive weeks at #1 is 102. Compare that to 157 consecutive weeks for Lendl, 160 weeks for Connors and a mind-blowing 237 for Federer.

Thanks for looking that up. That's what I thought. The poster who said that probably though Sampras was #1 the whole time he ended the 6 yrs on top - but he wasn't - he entered tournaments late in the fall (which conveniently for him were indoor carpets so he could just serve his way to wins) to 'recapture' #1 before the end of the year.

No offense but this is one of the most stupid arguments I've read here recently.

+1. The Murray fans are a delusional bunch. Of course @Bullz1lla saying 'Rafa will retool his game' shows he wants to be in the conversation too...

 

[Mustard]

Sampras did.

As has been mentioned, 102 consecutive weeks at world number 1 was the longest consecutive streak for Sampras, well behind Federer's 237 consecutive weeks.


Weeks players were officially world number 1

Ilie Nastase
23rd August 1973 - 2nd June 1974 (40 weeks)

Total number of weeks Ilie Nastase was at world number 1: 40 weeks


John Newcombe
3rd June 1974 - 28th July 1974 (8 weeks)

Total number of weeks John Newcombe was at world number 1: 8 weeks


Jimmy Connors
29th July 1974 - 22nd August 1977 (160 weeks)
30th August 1977 - 8th April 1979 (84 weeks)
21st May 1979 - 8th July 1979 (7 weeks)
13th September 1982 - 31st October 1982 (7 weeks)
8th November 1982 - 14th November 1982 (1 week)
31st January 1983 - 6th February 1983 (1 week)
14th February 1983 - 27th February 1983 (2 weeks)
16th May 1983 - 5th June 1983 (3 weeks)
13th June 1983 - 3rd July 1983 (3 weeks)

Total number of weeks Jimmy Connors was at world number 1: 268 weeks


Bjorn Borg
23rd August 1977 - 29th August 1977 (1 week)
9th April 1979 - 20th May 1979 (6 weeks)
9th July 1979 - 2nd March 1980 (34 weeks)
24th March 1980 - 10th August 1980 (20 weeks)
18th August 1980 - 5th July 1981 (46 weeks)
20th July 1981 - 2nd August 1981 (2 weeks)

Total number of weeks Bjorn Borg was at world number 1: 109 weeks


John McEnroe
3rd March 1980 - 23rd March 1980 (3 weeks)
11th August 1980 - 17th August 1980 (1 week)
6th July 1981 - 19th July 1981 (2 weeks)
3rd August 1981 - 12th September 1982 (58 weeks)
1st November 1982 - 7th November 1982 (1 week)
15th November 1982 - 30th January 1983 (11 weeks)
7th February 1983 - 13th February 1983 (1 week)
6th June 1983 - 12th June 1983 (1 week)
4th July 1983 - 30th October 1983 (17 weeks)
12th December 1983 - 8th January 1984 (4 weeks)
12th March 1984 - 10th June 1984 (13 weeks)
18th June 1984 - 8th July 1984 (3 weeks)
13th August 1984 - 18th August 1985 (53 weeks)
26th August 1985 - 8th September 1985 (2 weeks)

Total number of weeks John McEnroe was at world number 1: 170 weeks


Ivan Lendl
28th February 1983 - 15th May 1983 (11 weeks)
31st October 1983 - 11th December 1983 (6 weeks)
9th January 1984 - 11th March 1984 (9 weeks)
11th June 1984 - 17th June 1984 (1 week)
9th July 1984 - 12th August 1984 (5 weeks)
19th August 1985 - 25th August 1985 (1 week)
9th September 1985 - 11th September 1988 (157 weeks)
30th January 1989 - 12th August 1990 (80 weeks)

Total number of weeks Ivan Lendl was at world number 1: 270 weeks


Mats Wilander
12th September 1988 - 29th January 1989 (20 weeks)

Total number of weeks Mats Wilander was at world number 1: 20 weeks


Stefan Edberg
13th August 1990 - 27th January 1991 (24 weeks)
18th February 1991 - 7th July 1991 (20 weeks)
9th September 1991 - 9th February 1992 (22 weeks)
23rd March 1992 - 12th April 1992 (3 weeks)
14th September 1992 - 4th October 1992 (3 weeks)

Total number of weeks Stefan Edberg was at world number 1: 72 weeks


Boris Becker
28th January 1991 - 17th February 1991 (3 weeks)
8th July 1991 - 8th September 1991 (9 weeks)

Total number of weeks Boris Becker was at world number 1: 12 weeks


Jim Courier
10th February 1992 - 22nd March 1992 (6 weeks)
13th April 1992 - 13th September 1992 (22 weeks)
5th October 1992 - 11th April 1993 (27 weeks)
23rd August 1993 - 12th September 1993 (3 weeks)

Total number of weeks Jim Courier was at world number 1: 58 weeks


Pete Sampras
12th April 1993 - 22nd August 1993 (19 weeks)
13th September 1993 - 9th April 1995 (82 weeks)
6th November 1995 - 28th January 1996 (12 weeks)
19th February 1996 - 10th March 1996 (3 weeks)
15th April 1996 - 29th March 1998 (102 weeks)
27th April 1998 - 9th August 1998 (15 weeks)
24th August 1998 - 14th March 1999 (29 weeks)
29th March 1999 - 2nd May 1999 (5 weeks)
14th June 1999 - 4th July 1999 (3 weeks)
2nd August 1999 - 12th September 1999 (6 weeks)
11th September 2000 - 19th November 2000 (10 weeks)

Total number of weeks Pete Sampras was at world number 1: 286 weeks


Andre Agassi
10th April 1995 - 5th November 1995 (30 weeks)
29th January 1996 - 11th February 1996 (2 weeks)
5th July 1999 - 25th July 1999 (3 weeks)
13th September 1999 - 10th September 2000 (52 weeks)
28th April 2003 - 11th May 2003 (2 weeks)
16th June 2003 - 7th September 2003 (12 weeks)

Total number of weeks Andre Agassi was at world number 1: 101 weeks


Thomas Muster
12th February 1996 - 18th February 1996 (1 week)
11th March 1996 - 14th April 1996 (5 weeks)

Total number of weeks Thomas Muster has been at world number 1: 6 weeks


Marcelo Rios
30th March 1998 - 26th April 1998 (4 weeks)
10th August 1998 - 23rd August 1998 (2 weeks)

Total number of weeks Marcelo Rios was at world number 1: 6 weeks


Carlos Moya
15th March 1999 - 28th March 1999 (2 weeks)

Total number of weeks Carlos Moya was at world number 1: 2 weeks


Yevgeny Kafelnikov
3rd May 1999 - 13th June 1999 (6 weeks)

Total number of weeks Yevgeny Kafelnikov was at world number 1: 6 weeks


Patrick Rafter
26th July 1999 - 1st August 1999 (1 week)

Total number of weeks Patrick Rafter was at world number 1: 1 week


Marat Safin
20th November 2000 - 3rd December 2000 (2 weeks)
29th January 2001 - 25th February 2001 (4 weeks)
2nd April 2001 - 22nd April 2001 (3 weeks)

Total number of weeks Marat Safin was at world number 1: 9 weeks


Gustavo Kuerten
4th December 2000 - 28th January 2001 (8 weeks)
26th February 2001 - 1st April 2001 (5 weeks)
23rd April 2001 - 18th November 2001 (30 weeks)

Total number of weeks Gustavo Kuerten was at world number 1: 43 weeks


Lleyton Hewitt
19th November 2001 - 27th April 2003 (75 weeks)
12th May 2003 - 15th June 2003 (5 weeks)

Total number of weeks Lleyton Hewitt has been at world number 1: 80 weeks


Juan Carlos Ferrero
8th September 2003 - 2nd November 2003 (8 weeks)

Total number of weeks Juan Carlos Ferrero has been at world number 1: 8 weeks


Andy Roddick
3rd November 2003 - 1st February 2004 (13 weeks)

Total number of weeks Andy Roddick has been at world number 1: 13 weeks


Roger Federer
2nd February 2004 - 17th August 2008 (237 weeks)
6th July 2009 - 6th June 2010 (48 weeks)

Total number of weeks Roger Federer has been at world number 1: 285 weeks


Rafael Nadal
18th August 2008 - 5th July 2009 (46 weeks)
7th June 2010 - 3rd July 2011 (56 weeks)

Total number of weeks Rafael Nadal has been at world number 1: 102 weeks

Novak Djokovic
4th July 2011 - Present Day (11 weeks as of the 18th September 2011)

Total number of weeks Novak Djokovic has been world number 1: 11 weeks (as of the 18th September 2011)

 

[CMM]

God, you are the biggest !diot on this board(Mods and other guys here, I'm really sorry but I just can't help it). I hate stupidity. You have no clue about tennis. Please, go to school or do something useful with your life.

Indeed. He should change his avatar.

 

[Sentinel]

God, you are the biggest !diot on this board (Mods and other guys here, I'm really sorry but I just can't help it). I hate stupidity. You have no clue about tennis. Please, go to school or do something useful with your life.

actually, keeping the nadal fans engaged here in pointless discussions is safer for humanity and the universe in general.

 

[Magnus]

(Nadal will get back at Djokovic and enhance the 16-13 h2h and 5-2 gsh2h)

16-13 huh? Nole's getting closer and closer.

 

[chatt_town]

....and how would the system work?

Murray was proposing a 2-year ranking system during the recent dispute at the US Open.

 

[chatt_town]

Probably right...as long as it's not one of the guys from his era. Probably be another 1 handed backhanded gun slinger down the road.

Nothing to thank Novak for: anyway the records are meant to be broken, so if not Nadal then someone else is going ot win more majors than Federer.

 

[Mustard]

....and how would the system work?

Like it does at present except with all results from the last 104 weeks being on the computer, instead of all results from the last 52 weeks. I personally don't like the idea and it didn't work in the past, keeping Vilas from number 1 in 1977. I doubt Djokovic would even be number 1 today if all his 2010 results counted towards his ranking compared to Nadal's 2010 results.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Nadal is 17-8 against Federer and 16-13 against Djokovic, that's 7-2 and 5-2 in majors respectively. I think you'll find the head-to-head stats still favour Nadal.

One H2H stat that does NOT favor Nadal.

2-1 losing head to head against Novak in Grand Slam Finals.

 

[Mike Sams]

One last thing that must be noted, Novak does not have a match up advantage over Rafa that Rafa had over Fed, this is just an overall better player at the moment totally owning another, hopefully that's super clear to all.

I disagree. There is a match up advantage here. Nadal's serve was never great but he always resorted to his ability to grind down an opponent with good shotmaking and aggression. Djokovic completely nullifies Nadal's serve with his excellent ROS which leads to a baseline war. Nadal can't expose Djokovic's backhand because Djoker's backhand is elite. He can't expose Djoker's movement because Djoker is the fastest guy on the tour. He can't expose Djoker's forehand at all.
Basically, you don't even know what Nadal can actually do tactically to even beat Djokovic right now. What can he do? Hit harder? Run faster? Hit bigger serves?
Djokovic was beating Nadal on hardcourts all the way back to 2007. Now it's spreading over onto other surfaces and on bigger occasions. Very similar to the Federer/Nadal matches.

 

[Romismak]

Yes i do think Roger will be happy in future that Nole showed up in 2011 and stop Rafa at least from 2 more slams. I think right now most people 90% will say no way Rafa will go to 16th or surpass Roger, because Nole is dominating and Rafa is again older and has probably 2-3 years of real chance to win slam, while before AO 2011 people were talking about Rafa as getting for Rafa slam-4th in row at the time he had 9 slams, but was getting really quickly to 16th, Roger seemed to be declining, Nole was just not the man he is now, Murray was Murray, Delpo injured, nobody else out there to stop Rafa - really no competition on ATP tour with those best guys not playing their maxium. Rafa over the years adapted well to grass and HC, so before AO or after Rafa ś USO 10 were many people thinking that he might have a chance to tie or surpass Roger, but it wasn´t sure he won´t, right now it looks like he is too far away. Without Nole 2.0 there would be literally no one to compete with Rafa this season, only one who could do something to make F and have a shot is Roger- but we all know their match-up, so Roger if stays at 16th and retire and Rafa won´t catch his numbers he would be probably happy that Nole stop Rafa. Yes there are some talks that Nole cost Roger few slams- 2x AO but, overall he did much more damage to Rafa.