Federer has a better chance to win the FO (provided Nadal doesn’t reach the final) than any other major. Discuss.

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It occurred to me that there are many more great young hard court and even grass players than clay court players. Federer actually has been better than the field at RG for many years of his career.

If Djokovic has this shoulder issue and Nadal stumbles in the next year or two, Fed could scoop up another French Open title and redeem his GOAT status.

Thoughts?


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Just for those who haven't noticed yet, Tsitsipas, Dimitrov and Thiem are all first-strike tennis players, and Roger has lost to them all this year.

The younger generation's starting to beat him at his own game.

Father time remains undefeated.
 
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Wimbledon is the easiest place for a grasscourt specialist to win, because most of the top 20 prefers clay/hardcourt over grass :)
Tsitsipas, Zverev, Thiem, Medvedev all prefer clay over grass.
Moving on grass is just too weird for the modern day player.
Plus very few Europeans grow up on grass....
 
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Backspin1183 said:
Lol it's Thiem who would have won two RGs in the last 2 years without Rafa.
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I really think Federer would have beaten Thiem this year, in a similar fashion to his win over Wawrinka. At least Thiem wouldn’t beat him in a Slam final.

Would Thiem have won in 2018 without Nadal and Federer? Maybe, but still I wouldn’t trust him in a big final.

On topic: Federer rather wins RG than US Open, but the other 2 Slams are still bigger chances I guess.
 
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Has Roger announced his plans for 2020 - will he be playing one or two clay tune-ups, plus RG? All in all, he looked pretty good in his return to clay this year.

Still, and if he plays, I think he would be a top five favorite at RG, but a little higher still at both Wimbledon and the AO.
 
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Three players can beat RF at FO and that´s Rafa, Novak and Thiem.

That´s plenty. The odds that he avoids playing all three are very low.
 
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Spencer Gore said:
Federer does indeed have a chance at the FO if there was a mass injury list.

Sad to see his fans reduced to hoping for that.
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Strange they´d be talking about FO when AO is around the corner, a slam he´s won 3 times in this decade. It´s not even a sure thing he´ll play FO again next year, he might again skip clay.
 
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Tennisbg said:
Masters, it is a nice win but Federer would have beaten Thiem at Roland Garros had they met.
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Everything will be all right. One day you will hopefully get over it.
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Sabrina said:
There is no guarantee that Thiem would beat Del Potro or Federer in 2018/2019 RG Final. Especially Del Potro who has a 4-0 H2H record over Thiem.
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He is better than either Federer or Del Potro on clay at this point. He has beaten Djokovic twice in a row at RG and only lost to Nadal in 2018 and 2019. Federer or Del Potro ain't beating him at RG in the last 2 years.
 
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Fed can still get to the latter stages of the French and I was pleasantly surprised by RG19, but will never beat Rafa there. If Rafa is not in the final, a fresh Wawrinka and Djokovic can stop him too, maybe Thiem and Tsitsipas.By next summer, maybe more of them.
Roger would have his chances against any of them, but he is very, very unlikely to be winning another Roland Garros.
 
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My thoughts are no. Thiem is edging closer and closer to the Roland Garros title. Absolutely nobody is making the same kinds of moves at Wimbledon. Did you see how close Federer got to the Wimbledon title this year? Why would you assume he's got a better chance of winning Roland Garros? Even Sascha Zverev can make Roland Garros quarter finals, that might be the slam where the most young players are comfortable, it's certainly not the one with the least competition, are you kidding?
 
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Ledigs said:
It occurred to me that there are many more great young hard court and even grass players than clay court players. Federer actually has been better than the field at RG for many years of his career.

If Djokovic has this shoulder issue and Nadal stumbles in the next year or two, Fed could scoop up another French Open title and redeem his GOAT status.

Thoughts?


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The entire tennis community, led by Thiem and Zverev, laughs at this poast.
Fedr won't win RG at 38.
 
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Raphael Nadal said:
Wimbledon is the easiest place for a grasscourt specialist to win
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There are no grass court specialists remaining in tennis and there hasn't been one for 25+ years. The closest approximation would be Feliciano Lopez today. Grass court specialists were players that 95% of people here never heard of like David Wheaton, Slobodan Zivojinovic or even Anders Jarryd. There's no way someone can call Rafter or especially Fed a grass specialist, since Rafter won slams off grass and Federer has won 11 majors off grass.
 
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I would welcome Nads in the final...Fed hasn't had any problems with him outside of clay in 5 years...
 
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Roger has a better chance of winning RG than Rafa has of making a Wimbledon final again in his career!
 
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You could make an argument that Federer's chances at Roland Garros are greater going forward than are his chances at the US Open, especially given the important caveat "but for Nadal." (N.B. @Ledigs - the caveat shouldn't be "but for Nadal in the final," as Nadal is perfectly capable of demolishing Federer in a semi-final or even a quarter-final at Roland Garros). But to claim that his chances at Roland Garros but for Nadal are greater than are his chances at Wimbledon seems to me an obvious mistake.
 
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big ted said:
roger is great everywhere.. what helps him at the FO is his body isnt beaten down by the time he gets there..
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Exactly and he is also an extremely capable clay courter. If he didn't have to face Rafa in every final he would already have the double career slam under his belt. He is 1 for 1 when he hasn't faced Rafa.
 
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He had a chance this year, but it’s very rare to get a shot without Rafa.

Fed had 2004 and 2009
Djokovic had 2015 and 2016 (and lesser version in 2014)

Next year I don’t see it happening. He should still play on clay though. Rome & RG.
 
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Zebrev said:
Exactly and he is also an extremely capable clay courter. If he didn't have to face Rafa in every final he would already have the double career slam under his belt. He is 1 for 1 when he hasn't faced Rafa.
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he'd have the quintuple career slam most likely.
 
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imageFAM said:
it's actually an easy draw indicator
sonego, otte, ruud, mayer and his bunny wawrinka who lays down for him
only federer can :-D
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Wawrinka can beat Federer on clay!
And he has already shown it sometimes in the past, what happens is that this time he came from playing a matych of more than 5 hours with the Greek, while Federer faced ... Leo Mayer!:rolleyes:
 
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DSH said:
Wawrinka can beat Federer on clay!
And he has already shown it sometimes in the past, what happens is that this time he came from playing a matych of more than 5 hours with the Greek, while Federer faced ... Leo Mayer!:rolleyes:
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Rafa also faces Berretini and Medvedev for USO, plus walkover, so I guess its even ahah. :D ;)
 
TheGhostOfAgassi

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Zebrev said:
Rafa also faces Berretini and Medvedev for USO, plus walkover, so I guess its even ahah. :D ;)
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What happened in USO got nothing to do w Feds chances in RG.
You are saying Fed got a higher chance winning RG than Rafa reaching a Wimbledon final? For real?
 
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