Federer in throwing toys out of the pram shocka
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my_forehand
Professional
I think Federer's kinda pissed.
Tempest344
Professional
maybe because Federer isn't used to losing?
he's doesn't cope with it as well
are we seeing an emergence of the old fed? oooohhhhhhh
he's doesn't cope with it as well
are we seeing an emergence of the old fed? oooohhhhhhh
Barca tennis
Rookie
Go Murray! hes a grinder, good luck to him,
Tempest344
Professional
yep apparently
so watch out
we have another player very similar to Nadal threatening Fed
Leublu tennis
Legend
Go Murray. I was kinda down on him but that could be the hair and the bad teeth. Sorry. Stupid of me.
aceroberts13
Professional
I hate how whiney Fed gets when he loses matches or starts to lose in a match. That right there is sore losing plain and simple. Not a good example to set. I know there have been worse examples of sportsmanship a million times over but cry baby whining and being a sore loser are a no no in my book.
Clay lover
Legend
What a whiner. Good response from Murray, though. Countered noob excuses in a pro way.
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bluescreen
Hall of Fame
i think its good to see this from federer. it means these losses really hurt him, so maybe he'll use them as a drive to get better and win the french. yeah, it wasnt that classy, but what else would u expect from a guy that isnt used to losing.
luckyboy1300
Hall of Fame
I, being a huge Fed fan, don't also agree to his comments on Murray, though not that much. Can't really blame him, though. He has won too much that he forgot to prepare himself if he loses, and this is it.
But what really bugs me is that he kept on insisting that he had played well. Played well? I think his UEs outnumbered his winners.
But what really bugs me is that he kept on insisting that he had played well. Played well? I think his UEs outnumbered his winners.
100% agree. he made many unforced errors as well: no wonder if Murray "tends to wait a lot for the mistake of the opponent", in fact he didn't have to wait so much yesterday
aceroberts13
Professional
I agree to an extent. I like that it makes for interesting discussion and all of that. But I don't like him downing the other guy personally. I mean it was a pretty low move. Fed lost fair and square so he should just take it like a man.
Being a huge Fed fan, who pretty much watched his every match since he won his first Wimbledon, I have to say that I don't like what I'm seeing from him recently. Both in terms of tennis and mental attitude. I don't see the fire, the never-say-die attitude, the will to win. He seems like he is OK with losing to a good player (that's pretty much any professional), provided he's given him a good match.
And I sometimes cringe at the stuff he is saying. Sometimes it maybe interpreted as being "a-matter-of-fact", straightforward, non-PC stuff. Other times it borders on being whiny and capricious. What he said about Murray comes close.
What I expect from him is finally getting really pissed off and starting to play as if he believes he is going to be #1 for a long time and that he will win another 5-6 slams. Although, I want to see his anger and intensity ON THE COURT and not during press conferences.
And I sometimes cringe at the stuff he is saying. Sometimes it maybe interpreted as being "a-matter-of-fact", straightforward, non-PC stuff. Other times it borders on being whiny and capricious. What he said about Murray comes close.
What I expect from him is finally getting really pissed off and starting to play as if he believes he is going to be #1 for a long time and that he will win another 5-6 slams. Although, I want to see his anger and intensity ON THE COURT and not during press conferences.
Well by not giving credit to his oppenent then it suggests he thinks his given the match away rather than being beaten, it seems to me he would be happy to go on winning when tennis is just not the sport where one can win everything and anything. Though i agree that yes has won a lot and isn't used to losing he shouldn't just sit on that and hope he doesn't ever lose.
Fed couldn't get on the Murray serve a clear improvement and movement from Murray was so much better than say 2 years go, Murray has always loved the drop shot but rarely employed that shot. A lot has changed in Murrays game to make it a lot better, Fed is a bad loser
ChipNCharge
Professional
Fed's getting worse than Serena when it comes to giving credit to players that beat him!
officerdibble
Semi-Pro
I think that Federer's comments reveal how hurt he is by this defeat. To criticise Murray for not having improved much over the matches he's played against Federer is a bit daft. He's played him on three occasions, did surprisingly well first time out (in a final too), then beat him second time round!
If you beat someone there's not an overwhelming need to change your game, is there? Not if it's still working!
And, as others have suggested, I think Murray has improved some aspects of his game. Federer broke him three times the first time they played, and not at all yesterday. So the obvious conclusion if Federer is correct and Murray hasn't improved (at least on his serve) is that Federer is getting worse! That's not a clever thing to advertise!
This isn't Federer knocking - if it was Nadal I could be guilty of that since I admit I'm not a fan of the bottom scratching, time-wasting Spaniard. But I really do like Fed, and consider him the GOAT. I'm also not knocking someone for dealing badly with a loss, it obviously hurt. But Murray is still relatively young and deserves more credit from those of us able to observe with a balanced perspective.
If you beat someone there's not an overwhelming need to change your game, is there? Not if it's still working!
And, as others have suggested, I think Murray has improved some aspects of his game. Federer broke him three times the first time they played, and not at all yesterday. So the obvious conclusion if Federer is correct and Murray hasn't improved (at least on his serve) is that Federer is getting worse! That's not a clever thing to advertise!
This isn't Federer knocking - if it was Nadal I could be guilty of that since I admit I'm not a fan of the bottom scratching, time-wasting Spaniard. But I really do like Fed, and consider him the GOAT. I'm also not knocking someone for dealing badly with a loss, it obviously hurt. But Murray is still relatively young and deserves more credit from those of us able to observe with a balanced perspective.
aceroberts13
Professional
I agree. You can label me as a Fed hater if you want I am just speaking my mind; but I cannot stand the whiney baby comments. I know he isn't the only player to do it and if someone starts a thread of another player being quoted on it I'll flame that player too. Fed showed some real lack of class here; and to just straight up insult the other guy's game that just beat you for the second time in a row looks foolish. I think Fed is great for the game and he has contributed to the sport's growth immensley. I think he's going to lose more than he has in a long time this year. Let's hope that he can bounce back and change his attitude a bit. But the rest of this year will be a huge test for him and the rest of the ATP.
Fed's intimidation factor is going to be gone and players will be gunning for him all year. Its going to be interesting how it all shakes up.
Djokovicfan4life
Legend
This really is a shame to hear, I thought that Federer would be above this. I'm a huge fan of Fed (always will be) but come on, if the guy beat you he beat you, regardless of this style BS.
Nice to see that Murray handled it well though, many players would have lost it after comments like that. Just goes to show you that he is well on his way.
I hope see to Federer in top form again soon. Who knows, maybe he will learn from these losses and be more gracious in defeat in the future. He can't be the best forever, even he knows that.
And no, I am still not convinced that Federer is slipping, I'll believe that once he loses his no. 1 ranking. Until then he is still the man to beat IMO.
Also, we have to remember that the media just LOVES to exaggerate these press conferences. They blow everything totally out of proportion. It's not like Fed just said, "Murray sucks, he hasn't changed his style at all even though he still beat me. I'm still the better player and that's that."
Nice to see that Murray handled it well though, many players would have lost it after comments like that. Just goes to show you that he is well on his way.
I hope see to Federer in top form again soon. Who knows, maybe he will learn from these losses and be more gracious in defeat in the future. He can't be the best forever, even he knows that.
And no, I am still not convinced that Federer is slipping, I'll believe that once he loses his no. 1 ranking. Until then he is still the man to beat IMO.
Also, we have to remember that the media just LOVES to exaggerate these press conferences. They blow everything totally out of proportion. It's not like Fed just said, "Murray sucks, he hasn't changed his style at all even though he still beat me. I'm still the better player and that's that."
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daddy
Legend
He is a bad loser, we all knew it, just some people here never wanted to admit it. When he lost to others and made similar statements there were always reasons why did he did it - and it was always the oponent or some virus or whatever, just look at his statement about Athens 2004 - windy conditions, too much travelling in bus and everybody recognised him in olympic village - that was something he would like to forget and is fearfull that similar things may happen in Bejing. Well I guess the more he loses the more of this we will see, revealing should I say. Gentlmenly conduct my arse, he lost second time to upcoming young gun only to criticize him. Even if he is right, I do think Murray tends to be a bit too defensive, he should not do it like this and right after his 2nd loss.
luckyboy1300
Hall of Fame
it's bothering me that fed always thinks he played good enough. i mean come on! compare his game nowadays than his 2005-06 self. if his new and old self faced the fed now would be triple-bageled. someone might just slap a video tape of let's say his 2007 AO semis, compare it with his game yesterday, then ask him if he still played well.
edmondsm
Legend
Excellent point. As I read through Fed's comments I got the impression that he was fishing for something to say so that he put the loss on his own raquet. Staying back and grinding is something that guys do to win matches. It's what Canas did to Fed twice last year. He's just finding a negative way of saying Murray played consistant and drew the mistakes out of him.
atomicx
Rookie
I agree completely! If you are one of the few to get a win from Federer in recent years, it only makes sense to try to recall those same elements into your match that had brought you success before.
Also, I may be wrong on this, but wasn't it Andy Murray that Fed lost to in Cincinnati last year when many were saying he tanked the match on purpose?
SempreSami
Hall of Fame
Fed won in Cinci last year, must have been '06.
I tend to agree with what Roger said about Murray's game.
It is interesting to follow the "federer is done; end of an era" stories in the press. Hard to judge at this point in the season whether Federer is truly losing ground to the up-and-comers, but I did note that Pat Mac made comments on espn last night suggesting that while there is no need to panic, Federer has entered a new stage in his career where he will have to work harder to stay on top.
It is interesting to follow the "federer is done; end of an era" stories in the press. Hard to judge at this point in the season whether Federer is truly losing ground to the up-and-comers, but I did note that Pat Mac made comments on espn last night suggesting that while there is no need to panic, Federer has entered a new stage in his career where he will have to work harder to stay on top.
hollywood9826
Hall of Fame
I dont think fed was out of line to say what he was saying. i doubt Roger has watched every match of murrays career so from what he has saw, fed says is no different from when they played a couple years back.
Murray does keep getting hurt does he not? Id think that feds timing could have been a little better. He is coming off as a sore loser for sure.
It would almost translate into this guy sucks all he does is push F-him in his F-n A.
Murray does keep getting hurt does he not? Id think that feds timing could have been a little better. He is coming off as a sore loser for sure.
It would almost translate into this guy sucks all he does is push F-him in his F-n A.
samprasbackhand
Semi-Pro
Yep, people need to stop with this BS about how Federer is so "classy" and is such a "nice guy". It's not hard to be nice when you win every tournament and have nothing to complain about.
Not the first time
Fed is a sore loser. I don't remember him to say the other one was better after a loss. Fed never had class...
Fed is a sore loser. I don't remember him to say the other one was better after a loss. Fed never had class...
Bud
Bionic Poster
I agree with these comments. It's always surprised me when Federer loses he either blames something like an illness, he's 'off' that day, etc. or he won't give dredit to his opponent for simply drubbing him. He's definitely a sore loser.
I think Federer has peaked and is on a long gradual downhill slope. The downhill slope may have some ups but the general direction is still downward.
I don't think Federer's comments were very classy in this particular instance. At the very least, they were completely unnecessary considering he lost the match--if he had won, I think they'd be less offensive. Murray obviously has improved in the last couple of years.
On the other hand though, Federer may be right that Murray is only going to have success against so many players if he doesn't learn to end points quicker in some circumstances. Obviously Federer is not really in form at the moment; I'd be surprised if Murray wins in Dubai.
Overall though, as much as I like Federer, his comments seem bad in taste and timing.
On the other hand though, Federer may be right that Murray is only going to have success against so many players if he doesn't learn to end points quicker in some circumstances. Obviously Federer is not really in form at the moment; I'd be surprised if Murray wins in Dubai.
Overall though, as much as I like Federer, his comments seem bad in taste and timing.
I'm without doubt a Fed fan. But, he has time and again showed that he is a bad loser though (whoever has heard of a 'gracious' loser in the cutthroat world of ATP tennis... while they might appear gracious at a press conference, losers would very well be seething inside and if they are not, I'd question their will to win).
I didn't see this match and I wish I did. I like Murray's game; very cerebral, patient game with an ability to unleash explosive power when he needs it. His serve has become a serious weapon now and his 2HBH has always been lethal.
Fed defly needs to tighten up his game. I'd love for him to bring his 'A' game around next tourny and prove all the naysayers wrong.
I'd also like to point out that it is VERY easy to edit comments or put phrases together (out of context) and exacerbate Fed's comments to make it appear as if he is REALLY extra whining. After all, this is a BBC Sport article, which will succumb to Murray-mania anyday. So we might want to read this article with a pinch of salt...
Just my $0.02...
I didn't see this match and I wish I did. I like Murray's game; very cerebral, patient game with an ability to unleash explosive power when he needs it. His serve has become a serious weapon now and his 2HBH has always been lethal.
Fed defly needs to tighten up his game. I'd love for him to bring his 'A' game around next tourny and prove all the naysayers wrong.
I'd also like to point out that it is VERY easy to edit comments or put phrases together (out of context) and exacerbate Fed's comments to make it appear as if he is REALLY extra whining. After all, this is a BBC Sport article, which will succumb to Murray-mania anyday. So we might want to read this article with a pinch of salt...
Just my $0.02...
Aeropro master
Professional
A guy as good as fed should have some class and admit that his oppenent outplayed him.
I think it depends on the context. Media is a master of bring up controversial comments.
For example, a reporter can ask a series of questions that subtley suggests some negative innuendos. And then ask a seemingly nicely canned questions that usually responded with nicely, classy (but canned) answer. But because of the context build up, the interviee might tempt to answer differently which can be viewed controversially.
So athletes usually learn to answer in very typical, almost automatic, usual answers. It's a defense mechanism against reporters trying to ask a set up question.
Federer doesn't seem to do that.
It's certianly possible that Federer got arrogant since he's been at the top for so long. But it depends on the context when the question was asked.
For example, a reporter can ask a series of questions that subtley suggests some negative innuendos. And then ask a seemingly nicely canned questions that usually responded with nicely, classy (but canned) answer. But because of the context build up, the interviee might tempt to answer differently which can be viewed controversially.
So athletes usually learn to answer in very typical, almost automatic, usual answers. It's a defense mechanism against reporters trying to ask a set up question.
Federer doesn't seem to do that.
It's certianly possible that Federer got arrogant since he's been at the top for so long. But it depends on the context when the question was asked.
that was classless comments from fed. true he lost
fair and square that was that. also, i think that was a
tactical comments from fed to make andy changed
his game a bit to more agressive and riskier shots.
i think andy is too smart for that comment not to
get persuaded to
change his strategy against fed. so best way to
beat fed, slow down the rallies, keep the rally long,
but retrieve every ball back at him and keep on waiting
for his errors until he get frustrated and until he tires out.
fed likes to dictate, but if you have fast legs and patience
& retrieve every ball back to him they have good chance to
beat fed
fair and square that was that. also, i think that was a
tactical comments from fed to make andy changed
his game a bit to more agressive and riskier shots.
i think andy is too smart for that comment not to
get persuaded to
change his strategy against fed. so best way to
beat fed, slow down the rallies, keep the rally long,
but retrieve every ball back at him and keep on waiting
for his errors until he get frustrated and until he tires out.
fed likes to dictate, but if you have fast legs and patience
& retrieve every ball back to him they have good chance to
beat fed
hyperwarrior
Professional
I must admit that's a PRETTY UGLY tennis but it's really effective. Nothing spectacular...
Djokovicfan4life
Legend
You're right, the same thing happened when Fed lost the AO. Everyone was posting about how badly he acted in his post-match interview, but when you actually watch the whole thing Fed actually is quite gracious except for ONE little comment (about not caring who won). Bear in mind that this happened about 15 minutes after the match. What would you say if a bunch of people crowded around asking stupid questions 15 minutes after a heartbreaking loss?
Most of us can't even handle losing to pushers, let alone the world's no. 3.
I don't see anything in the article that was negative toward Murray, just a straightforward evaluation of his game (as played against Federer). There was an implication that grinders don't last as long in the game - which is generally true. Without seeing video that it was delivered in a snide way (which it could have been, or not), I can't criticize Federer for it. Murray beat Federer two years ago, why would he change his game?
Non-issue...
Yawn.
I bet Federer is sitting at his plush apartment anguishing over his comments that have been blown up by the media...
And I just bet Murray is anguishing over Roger's comments while trying to focus on his next match and avoid going out early after producing an early shock...
Yawn.
I bet Federer is sitting at his plush apartment anguishing over his comments that have been blown up by the media...
And I just bet Murray is anguishing over Roger's comments while trying to focus on his next match and avoid going out early after producing an early shock...
tennisadd1ct
Rookie
Me too...screw Fed
Yeah - right, they're both heartbroken and with tears in the eyes...
I bet none of them cared about the comments 5 minutes later - as you said above.
But this is not the point – the point is that Fed can’t just say “the other played better today” – he has to be a sore loser.
I actually agree with Feds comments. When I first saw Murray play in the US Open Jr final, I thought he was a pusher, and wouldnt really do much at the pro level. I was wrong there, but he's still a pusher.
I also disagree with Murray's comments. He said you play different people differently, and how Fed defends well, which is why he played him the way he did. Then he mentioned his match with Nadal, and how he played Nadal differently.
Nadal doesnt defend well, if not better than Fed???
I dont think I've ever seen Murray be agressive and try to dictate pts.
I also disagree with Murray's comments. He said you play different people differently, and how Fed defends well, which is why he played him the way he did. Then he mentioned his match with Nadal, and how he played Nadal differently.
Nadal doesnt defend well, if not better than Fed???
I dont think I've ever seen Murray be agressive and try to dictate pts.
FedererISBetter
Rookie
I sorta understand Federer's perspective, and also how flaming BBC sport can be at times lol
I'm never a top ranked player, but I DO have a very high expectation for my game because I invest a lot of time and sweat to get to where I am. If people outplay me, my response to myself is , " why the heck am I allowing him to do this to me" blah blah blah..never mentioning credit for my opponent ( well, maybe a clap or two ) and for Federer... it probably goes the same way from what I can see. He's def. not blaming his loses on anybody... he's only giving his perception of how Murray played... and any experiences associate with that.
It's only natural for pros to blame themselves for their loses... and that's what I believed is what federer did.
I'm never a top ranked player, but I DO have a very high expectation for my game because I invest a lot of time and sweat to get to where I am. If people outplay me, my response to myself is , " why the heck am I allowing him to do this to me" blah blah blah..never mentioning credit for my opponent ( well, maybe a clap or two ) and for Federer... it probably goes the same way from what I can see. He's def. not blaming his loses on anybody... he's only giving his perception of how Murray played... and any experiences associate with that.
It's only natural for pros to blame themselves for their loses... and that's what I believed is what federer did.
