Federer vs Djokovic. 68-68.
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Whoa. That is crazy. 68 each...
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Maybe. I count 68-68. Could be I was wrong.
That would be even more ironic.
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Outside French Open it's 5-3 with Djokovic always beating Nadal as the highest ranked opponent.
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Lew, there you go with another pro-Fed, anti-Novak stat.
Oops, nevermind.
It is amazing how close their rivalry is.
what separates them two is balls. If we look a little closer at their h2h. everything looks close but the more important their matches are, or the closer their matches are, the more things that turn out to go to noles advantage. I take data from Wikipedia to save time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djokovic–Federer_rivalry).
No1e vs Fed:
- their h2h is 25-22 overall, but, in finals it is 12-6 and in GS it is 9-6, GS finals 3-1, WTF finals 2-0 and master finals 5-3, (MM finals 2-2).
- All sets are 67-70 but deciding sets are 13–5.
- TB are equal, 13-13 but deciding TB are 3-0.
- winning the match after losing 1st set: Djokovic, 7-1 (once after 0-2).
- winning the match after saving MP is 2-0 nole.
No1e vs Fed:
- their h2h is 25-22 overall, but, in finals it is 12-6 and in GS it is 9-6, GS finals 3-1, WTF finals 2-0 and master finals 5-3, (MM finals 2-2).
- All sets are 67-70 but deciding sets are 13–5.
- TB are equal, 13-13 but deciding TB are 3-0.
- winning the match after losing 1st set: Djokovic, 7-1 (once after 0-2).
- winning the match after saving MP is 2-0 nole.
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Fixed.
The biggest balls thing in the text is the last one with MP. and it was 2010-2011 for two USO SF in a row! Federer was then 29-30 and nole 23-24. in the top 10 right now, are 2 players younger than nole were then and 6 players older than federer were then.
or I can write like this.
nole vs fed:
- without finals their h2h is 13-16 but 12-6 in finals.
- outside the big tournaments their finals are 2-2, but 10-4 in the GS, WTF and masters finals.
- until the final set they are 54-65 in sets but 13-5 in the final set.
- in common TB, they are 10-13 but 3-0 in crucial TB.
- if nole, like federer, was unable to turn the match after losing the first set, their h2h would be about 18-29 instead of 25-22.
- if nole was not clutch in those two USO SF their h2h would be 23-24 and 7-8 in GS, instead of 25-22 and 9-6.
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That's what it says on wikipedia, was going to post a thread about this a while back but couldn't be bothered dealing with the arguments. Fed is ahead on games 694 to 689 too which suggests Fed's game is a match for Djokovic but in recent years he loses it mentally or runs out of steam
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Tied if you count the spellbinding WTF '14 final.
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Fed's H2H with Nadal here is a moot point.
It's just an interesting stat that Fed leads in sets and games vs Djokovic though he trails in match H2H. As a comparison Nadal does not lead in sets or games.
Nadal leads the slam H2H with Djokovic but this is no surprise when 7 of the meetings have been at RG compared to 2 at the AO. Djokovic has defeated Nadal at all slams (as well as defeating Fed at all slams) Nadal has never defeated Djokovic at the AO.
Also with Fed vs Djokovic we can see 10 of their slam meetings have been with Federer 29 and over against prime djokovic (counting 2010 Djokovic as prime - which I don't but let's go with your logic) but only 5 matches before Fed was 29. You've stated 29 is slightly post prime. So obviously he'd be behind.
29 is the prime age! And so it is in many sports. the border has changed. check out the top10, 25, 50, 100 players. there is much more players over 29 than under 25!
top10, 8 players over 29 (80%) and 1 under 25 (10%)!
top25, 12 players over 29 (48%) and 7 under 25 (28%).
top50, 26 players over 29 (52%) and 12 under 25 (24%).
top100, 46 players over 29 and 32 under 25.
If you see the ultimate top, the top10, then it is heavily represented by 29+ year olds. and then it's about half over and half under 29 if you look at top25, 50 and 100. which means not only that 29 is prime age but also peak age nowadays! noles prime -> 2011. - now (with w2016-rg2018 wasted time due to elbow injury)!
and when it comes to noles and rafas h2h. nole has wins against rafa in all big (1000+) tournaments where they have met. 4 slams, WTF and 8 out of 9 masters (they have not met in shanghai).
top10, 8 players over 29 (80%) and 1 under 25 (10%)!
top25, 12 players over 29 (48%) and 7 under 25 (28%).
top50, 26 players over 29 (52%) and 12 under 25 (24%).
top100, 46 players over 29 and 32 under 25.
If you see the ultimate top, the top10, then it is heavily represented by 29+ year olds. and then it's about half over and half under 29 if you look at top25, 50 and 100. which means not only that 29 is prime age but also peak age nowadays! noles prime -> 2011. - now (with w2016-rg2018 wasted time due to elbow injury)!
and when it comes to noles and rafas h2h. nole has wins against rafa in all big (1000+) tournaments where they have met. 4 slams, WTF and 8 out of 9 masters (they have not met in shanghai).
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Kind of an indictment on the dudes giving up 5+ years to Federer, no?
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Except a 24 year old ATG does have the age advantage over a 30 year old ATG. It became much worse after 2013.
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