Fed's #1 ranking is in threat

[federerfanatic]

federerfanatic, I just want to make it clear that when I say "taking over"
does not necessarily mean taking over Federer. I meant top players in general.
To be more specific, I meant those "other" top 10 players I mentioned in the post.

OK sorry I misinterpreted you. Yes I suppose I could see all 5 of those possibly being mainstays in the top 10, although I disagree on Baghdatis. The other 4 should atleast be in the top 10 for a long time. Berdych might make it too, or might not.

No offense but you seem to be very sensitive about any remote suggestion that there is something threatening Federer's reign. So I want to make it clear.

Not really, but do defend when I see perspective that I strongly oppose-such as players like Baghdatis or Gasquet on the verge of taking over. Plus I have a very agressive posting style, I am much meaner to most posters then I am to you if you look at my posting history. People who annoy me I often insult and attack in a very hostile way. So compared to most I am nice to you.

After I made it clear, I definitely think it's not such a "fantasy" world I'm living in.
It's a reality and already happening. Djokovic and Murray already in top 10.
I think Gasquet and Bagdhatis will join them pretty soon like within a year or so?
(Oh, I'm pretty sure Gasquet will be in top 10 bunting out "other" players
within 3 months). These guys will be more solid top 10 players sooner or later
and these will be the players Federer must beat.

I already said I dont see Baghdatis back in the top 10, but I know we disagree I him. I think 2006 was a career year for him. Berdych might or might not make it as I said. I concede the other 3 you mention will be there awhile with Nadal. However being top 10 does not automaticaly you a chief opponent to Federer, being a perennial top 5 makes you are more direct person Federer has to beat to mantain dominance, as oppose to people who just make the lower half of the top 10 sometimes.

And these players are much better talents than players like Robredo,Davydenko,Lubjcic,Blake,Gonzalez etc..

I agree that Nadal, Djokovic, Murray and Gasquet are bigger talents then those particular players. However remember those players were not Federer's biggest competition until last year when Roddick, Hewitt, Safin, and Nalbandian all went into decline. In 2003-2005 Roddick, Hewitt, Safin(except 2003), and Nalbandian(plus Ferrero in 2003) were his biggest competitors, and when those guys were still at their peak those few years it was a very strong group, much better then the group you just named.

P.S.

I already know you have different opinion on Gasquet and Baghdatis.
IMHO, Gasquet and Baghdatis are much bigger talent than Djokovic.

I know it's a eye of a beholder thing. "Talent" I mean.
What can I say, you see something different from what I see.

Anyway, let's enjoy our bet...

Fair enough.

 

[Baghdatis72]

Federer's best years are over in my opinion but he will keep a good performance for the years to come despite losing the number 1 spot pretty soon
Federer reached a point where he was completely untouchable and no one could beat him on a hard court but that perfect point is gone now and he will very slowly decay in time until his retirement where he will lose consistently from top 10 players.
Right now the only players who can beat him are Canas, Nadal and Djokovic from the way they play but they are enough to cause Federer enough problems and endanger his number 1 spot and they ain't getting any worse as time progresses

 

[illkhiboy]

Federer's best years are over in my opinion but he will keep a good performance for the years to come despite losing the number 1 spot pretty soon
Federer reached a point where he was completely untouchable and no one could beat him on a hard court but that perfect point is gone now and he will very slowly decay in time until his retirement where he will lose consistently from top 10 players.
Right now the only players who can beat him are Canas, Nadal and Djokovic from the way they play but they are enough to cause Federer enough problems and endanger his number 1 spot and they ain't getting any worse as time progresses

Djokovic has taken how many sets from Federer uptil now?

 

[Baghdatis72]

Djokovic has taken how many sets from Federer uptil now?

2 sets and he will take much more in the years to come

 

[illkhiboy]

2 sets and he will take much more in the years to come

He probably will. I will be rooting for him. But to claim that 'Right now the only players who can beat him are Canas, Nadal and Djokovic' is laughable. So far, Gasquet and Nalbandian have performed better against Federer than Djokovic.

 

[federerfanatic]

Federer's best years are over in my opinion but he will keep a good performance for the years to come despite losing the number 1 spot pretty soon
Federer reached a point where he was completely untouchable and no one could beat him on a hard court but that perfect point is gone now and he will very slowly decay in time until his retirement where he will lose consistently from top 10 players.
Right now the only players who can beat him are Canas, Nadal and Djokovic from the way they play but they are enough to cause Federer enough problems and endanger his number 1 spot and they ain't getting any worse as time progresses

Canas is a 29 old solid journeyman, not some up and coming star. To suggest it only goes uphill for him from here is ridiculous. Given the fact he beat Federer back to back matches, only further shows the higher reality is for a 29 year old second tier player(at best) is his career highlight has already taken place a couple months back. Djokovic has a long way to go to prove himself vs Federer, Federer mauled him in Australia, and Djokovic was soundly outplayed in their match in Dubai despite the fact he snuck out the 2nd set somehow. Nadal hasnt proven he can keep up with Federer on anything but clay. You pretty much dont know squat.

The real player whose best days is behind is not Federer, but your username Mr. Baghdatis. Boy was 2006 ever a huge fluke, a slam final, another slam semi, what a joke to think he will repeat that kind of year again. Back to reality now for Mr. Baghdatis, he will join the ranks of the "1 dream year" flashes in the pan of top 10 players like Schuettler and Lapentti. Federer will continue winning 2 or 3 slams every year, while Baghdatis will etch his name in the list of "1 year wonders" that were not all that much of a wonder even in that 1 year for each.

 

[EasternRocks]

Federer needs to win a master series before roland garros ro secure his spot at n0.1 in the world...when he lost to canas in indian wells, meanwhile nadal won it! THere is lots of pressure on him, but i think he can do it!

 

[Baghdatis72]

He probably will. I will be rooting for him. But to claim that 'Right now the only players who can beat him are Canas, Nadal and Djokovic' is laughable. So far, Gasquet and Nalbandian have performed better against Federer than Djokovic.

Well firstly Nalbandian prefers watching racing instead of playing tennis at the moment so he doesn't have a chance of beating Federer in this state and Gasquet is not mentally strong enough to beat Federer on any surface (although Rome might prove me wrong).

Canas has beat him twice on hard surfaces in their last 2 meetings so I won't comment any further.
Nadal beats Federer all the time on clay and is improving on hard surfaces too.
Djokovic is improving mentally and technically so fast on all surfaces that he will be able to threaten every player on every surface in a short time. The reason that he didn't beat Federer yet is that Federer plays a similar game to Djokovic in terms of style but Federer is better at it but as Federer gets older and Djokovic reaches his prime things will change a lot and pretty soon.

Canas is a 29 old solid journeyman, not some up and coming star. To suggest it only goes uphill for him from here is ridiculous. Given the fact he beat Federer back to back matches, only further shows the higher reality is for a 29 year old second tier player(at best) is his career highlight has already taken place a couple months back. Djokovic has a long way to go to prove himself vs Federer, Federer mauled him in Australia, and Djokovic was soundly outplayed in their match in Dubai despite the fact he snuck out the 2nd set somehow. Nadal hasnt proven he can keep up with Federer on anything but clay. You pretty much dont know squat.

The real player whose best days is behind is not Federer, but your username Mr. Baghdatis. Boy was 2006 ever a huge fluke, a slam final, another slam semi, what a joke to think he will repeat that kind of year again. Back to reality now for Mr. Baghdatis, he will join the ranks of the "1 dream year" flashes in the pan of top 10 players like Schuettler and Lapentti. Federer will continue winning 2 or 3 slams every year, while Baghdatis will etch his name in the list of "1 year wonders" that were not all that much of a wonder even in that 1 year for each.

Only the way you post shows what kind of person you are and it's an ugly sight.
Firstly Nadal and Djokovic will improve whether you like it or not and Federer will not go much further than he already has as many will agree. Canas has just returned from 15 months of ban and he beats Federer twice on hard courts that Federer was defending from last year. He is going to play better than now for at least one more year since he just returned so he won't get any worse for the near future.
Nadal is getting much better on hard surfaces and he reached Wimbledon last year and won IW in straight sets against very good opponents this year. You will say of course that if he played against Federer then Federer would beat him but Federer couldn't make it there unfortunately
If someone doesn't know squat it is you of course because you're so blind with Federer that you can't see anything past him and everyone else is crap for you. This doesn't make you a tennis fan but a Federer fan which is very different.

What does Baghdatis have to do with this debate? This isn't a Baghdatis vs Federer debate. If there is someone who said that Baghdatis is playing crap then that's me but the only thing that you care is to **** other people off and feel good about yourself for supporting the number 1 player on tour. Some people support players just because they like their style or craziness or for any other personal reasons and not because they believe that they are the best. Those who support the best because they became the best are not real fans but people who like supporting the winning sides to benefit their ego. Do us a favor and stop infesting the forum with crap.

 

[HollerOne5]

There is a difference betwen the Race to Masters Cup and overall ranking points on the ATP tour. Even if Nadal wins the race by 100 points Federer will still be well ahead of him in the ATP rankings.

learn about it here www.atptennis.com

Wow, there is nothing correct about the statement

52 week race equals the entry system (in order but not points) at the end of the year!

 

[federerfanatic]

Well firstly Nalbandian prefers watching racing instead of playing tennis at the moment so he doesn't have a chance of beating Federer in this state and Gasquet is not mentally strong enough to beat Federer on any surface (although Rome might prove me wrong).

Nalbandian has done much more vs Federer then Djokovic has so far, and is much more capable of being a real top player then Canas ever will be. Learn something about tennis, then comment. Not the other way around.

Canas has beat him twice on hard surfaces in their last 2 meetings so I won't comment any further.

Canas is a 29 year old journeyman. Hmmm, what is more likely, vast improvement of one of the kiddie corps on the way to taking over as one of the top guys, or back to back wins over the dominant player in the world being his career highlight. Gee, thats a tough one, LOL!

Nadal beats Federer all the time on clay and is improving on hard surfaces too.

Nadal is doing what he has done for 2 years. Winning everything on clay, and winning the occasional hard court tournament, while losing in the quarters of most of them. Yeah the ******** Nadal groupies like yourself are always saying how Nadal is taking his game on all surfaces to a new level, how he is about to dominant on other surfaces, blah blah blah. Same old same old.

Djokovic is improving mentally and technically so fast on all surfaces that he will be able to threaten every player on every surface in a short time. The reason that he didn't beat Federer yet is that Federer plays a similar game to Djokovic in terms of style but Federer is better at it but as Federer gets older and Djokovic reaches his prime things will change a lot and pretty soon.

Wait until Djokovic comes close to beating Federer. Until then your dumb assed logic is full of crap.

Only the way you post shows what kind of person you are and it's an ugly sight.

Oooh, that is a cutting comment. That really hurt, coming from you whose opinion I respect and admire so greatly.

Firstly Nadal and Djokovic will improve whether you like it or not and Federer will not go much further than he already has as many will agree.

As many will agree? Do you mean your puppets who you talk to at night?

Canas has just returned from 15 months of ban and he beats Federer twice on hard courts that Federer was defending from last year. He is going to play better than now for at least one more year since he just returned so he won't get any worse for the near future.

He is 29 years old. Beating Federer twice on hard courts will be his career highlight, period. A 29 year old journeyman is not some phenom on the verge to taking over at the top of the game, only in your deluded sense of reality. Oh yeah 29 year old journeyman Canas taking his game to a new level, but 25 year old all-time great Federer cant, ROTFL!

Nadal is getting much better on hard surfaces and he reached Wimbledon last year and won IW in straight sets against very good opponents this year. You will say of course that if he played against Federer then Federer would beat him but Federer couldn't make it there unfortunately

Nadal's won 2 Masters titles, and was in 3 Masters finals in 2005, and it took him another 19 months to win another one or even reach another final. Yep that is real fast hard court progress. He beat Federer in Dubai last year, and lost to him in straight sets of the year end Masters, so again real progress as you can see. ROTFL! As for the Wimbledon final this year, he has about as much chance of making it back there as Roddick does of winning the French Open.

If someone doesn't know squat it is you of course because you're so blind with Federer that you can't see anything past him and everyone else is crap for you. This doesn't make you a tennis fan but a Federer fan which is very different.

Baghdatis72 telling someone else they know squat. Ok now I have heard it all. I will escape from this now since arguing with Baghdatis or Morrisey is like making a visit to a pysch ward.

Do us a favor and stop infesting the forum with crap.

Actually it is ******** losers with crap filled brains like yourself and Morrisey who ruin what would otherwise be wonderful forums. Go crawl back under your rock loser.

 

[fastdunn]

Baghdatis is a streaky player. He tends to lose lots of early rounds
and then suddenly string a series of wins in bigger tournament.

Both Gasquet and Bagdhatis have roughness that needs to be polished.
Djokovic has already polished game but I just think Gasquet and Baghatis
have better raw material, so to speak...

Note that I'm just talking about talents. There are so many talents who
vastly under-achieved....

Also note that Baghdatis reached a final of AO and semi-final at Wimbledon.
None of new generations except Nadal have achived this much yet....

In terms of pure skill levels, he only has Federer and Nadal to overcome, IMHO.
Coincidentally, he lost to Federer at AO and Nadal at Wimbledon.
In terms of skills, I view him already as top 5. No flame please, it's just
my personal views.....

 

[federerfanatic]

Also note that Baghdatis reached a final of AO and semi-final at Wimbledon. None of new generations except Nadal have achived this much yet....

It depends what you consider as doing more. Reaching a slam semi and slam final(Baghdatis), or having a Masters final and Masters win(Djokovic). One difference I see though is Djokovic beat World #2 Nadal. Baghdatis beat neither Federer or Nadal to achieve his feat.

You are entitled your opinion on Baghdatis. I still think he will prove to be another Schuettler or Magnus Norman type. One great year-solid top 10 year, a slam final, lots of great results, career year, back down to earth, probably out of the top 10 and never to return.

 

[tennisjunkiela]

Baghdatis is a streaky player. He tends to lose lots of early rounds
and then suddenly string a series of wins in bigger tournament.

Both Gasquet and Bagdhatis have roughness that needs to be polished.
Djokovic has already polished game but I just think Gasquet and Baghatis
have better raw material, so to speak...

Note that I'm just talking about talents. There are so many talents who
vastly under-achieved....

Also note that Baghdatis reached a final of AO and semi-final at Wimbledon.
None of new generations except Nadal have achived this much yet....

In terms of pure skill levels, he only has Federer and Nadal to overcome, IMHO.
Coincidentally, he lost to Federer at AO and Nadal at Wimbledon.
In terms of skills, I view him already as top 5. No flame please, it's just
my personal views.....

i too think bags is top 5 in terms of skills - definitely needs to ditch his entourage and focus!

 

[welcome2petrkordaland]

okay lemme see how i can put this mildly . . . bags is fat. i saw him at indian wells-he's got a gut. yes, he's seemingly very talented but needs to get his @#! in shape. he also needs to get another coach besides that dude that always has the deer-in-the-headlights look to him and never says or does anything. how much is he paid anyway?

and the fact that he's always smiling and such a "showman" does very little for his results. can you imagine lendl (or nadal or sharapova or seles or anyone else with that killer instinct and focus on winning) f ing around all the time on the court during a match? lendl was probably more concerned about figuring out how he could blast a hole through his opponent's chest than pleasing the crowd.

bottom line is baghdatis needs to make some serious changes to get the most out of his talent.

 

[mileslong]

Well... it is plausible for Nadal to take the #1 spot, because he will win the rest of teh clay season, make it to the wimbledon finals(possibly win if he adjusts)

no its not plausible, probably not even realistically possible but most definately not plausible...

 

[Baghdatis72]

Nalbandian has done much more vs Federer then Djokovic has so far, and is much more capable of being a real top player then Canas ever will be. Learn something about tennis, then comment. Not the other way around.

Yeap that's right he has done in the past but not anymore. If you know everything about tennis then write a book and sell it and also write about the future results and upsets so we can win some money from your wisdom.

Canas is a 29 year old journeyman. Hmmm, what is more likely, vast improvement of one of the kiddie corps on the way to taking over as one of the top guys, or back to back wins over the dominant player in the world being his career highlight. Gee, thats a tough one, LOL!

Federer is not perfect and he will lose sometimes but Canas has proved that he can beat him consistently and if Djokovic improves even more then he will definitely pose a threat to him.

Also:

2007 ATP Masters Series Miami
R16
Canas vs Federer
7-6(2) 2-6 7-6(5)

2007 ATP Masters Series Indian Wells
R64
Canas vs Federer
7-5 6-2

No further comments.

Nadal is doing what he has done for 2 years. Winning everything on clay, and winning the occasional hard court tournament, while losing in the quarters of most of them. Yeah the ******** Nadal groupies like yourself are always saying how Nadal is taking his game on all surfaces to a new level, how he is about to dominant on other surfaces, blah blah blah. Same old same old.

I am not a Nadal groupie I am a tennis fan and cursing just makes you look ******** yourself actually.

Wait until Djokovic comes close to beating Federer. Until then your dumb assed logic is full of crap.

How old are you? 8?

Oooh, that is a cutting comment. That really hurt, coming from you whose opinion I respect and admire so greatly.

On the contrary your comments are very clever and responsible and need to be greatly respected :lol: Rofl lmao lol

As many will agree? Do you mean your puppets who you talk to at night?

I am not a federerfanatic so I don't have puppets like your Federer bear :lol:

He is 29 years old. Beating Federer twice on hard courts will be his career highlight, period. A 29 year old journeyman is not some phenom on the verge to taking over at the top of the game, only in your deluded sense of reality. Oh yeah 29 year old journeyman Canas taking his game to a new level, but 25 year old all-time great Federer cant, ROTFL!

He didn't have to take his game to a new level and he still beat Federer twice in a row on a hard court. In the second set of the IW match Federer looked like he saw a ghost or something from what was happening on court.

Nadal's won 2 Masters titles, and was in 3 Masters finals in 2005, and it took him another 19 months to win another one or even reach another final. Yep that is real fast hard court progress. He beat Federer in Dubai last year, and lost to him in straight sets of the year end Masters, so again real progress as you can see. ROTFL! As for the Wimbledon final this year, he has about as much chance of making it back there as Roddick does of winning the French Open.

That's in the past what matters now is the future and what we have seen up to now this year is promising for others too.

Baghdatis72 telling someone else they know squat. Ok now I have heard it all. I will escape from this now since arguing with Baghdatis or Morrisey is like making a visit to a pysch ward.

1) You don't have a clue about who I am and what I know.
2) Escape and go hide in your safe closet and fantasize about Federer dominating everything forever.

Actually it is ******** losers with crap filled brains like yourself and Morrisey who ruin what would otherwise be wonderful forums. Go crawl back under your rock loser.

I am glad to see you go mad and you deserve it for your flaming replies. When other people post their opinions a confident and clever person responds calmly and democratically with good arguments and if he/she has a point then fair enough. Flaming the way you do shows that you are insecure and immature and arguing with you is just not worth the trouble. Learn to respect others if you ever want to earn respect and be heard. If you were a bit more rational and calm you would realize that other people don't hate Federer as you imagine but just say their opinions about the future and what might change in the years to come. Federer is number 1 since 2004 for a good reason and he doesn't need people like you to defend him as you disgrace Federer fans and Federer himself and they don't deserve it.

 

[Baghdatis72]

okay lemme see how i can put this mildly . . . bags is fat. i saw him at indian wells-he's got a gut. yes, he's seemingly very talented but needs to get his @#! in shape. he also needs to get another coach besides that dude that always has the deer-in-the-headlights look to him and never says or does anything. how much is he paid anyway?

and the fact that he's always smiling and such a "showman" does very little for his results. can you imagine lendl (or nadal or sharapova or seles or anyone else with that killer instinct and focus on winning) f ing around all the time on the court during a match? lendl was probably more concerned about figuring out how he could blast a hole through his opponent's chest than pleasing the crowd.

bottom line is baghdatis needs to make some serious changes to get the most out of his talent.

Bags doesn't seem to be a good professional of any sort for some reason
He is way too fat for a tennis player and his professional decisions are a bit unorthodox to say the least. Unfortunately I can't see him changing any time soon as he is greatly affected from what other tell him and doesn't take professional advice often. Also he seems to be romantic about his decisions as he has chosen a coach who used to train him when he was a little child just because he knows him personally and they have fun together.
Even more he insists in playing to have fun on court and smiling all the time but that takes the mental aggressiveness away from him and gives the opponent a mental edge.

I think his stronger ties with Cyprus and people there after he reached the Wimbledon SF have helped greatly to destroy his career for a long time. Most people there in the tennis federation, family and sports association pretend to know everything and want a piece of the cake and that's not good for Baghdatis.