Guy Holding A Court Without Physically Being On The Court.

[Better_Call_Raul]

This guy was on one court with six players. Working with them for half an hour on one court. Meanwhile he has his carts parked on two other empty courts. Blocking playing access to those courts.

He does NOT have reservations for the courts. Courts are public and can not be reserved.

Finally after 30 minutes, his players get on the two other courts.

I think waiting players should be able to take the court if nobody is physically playing on them.

 

[PKorda]

hate crap like that, i would've just started playing on one of the courts and would not have left unless he could've kicked my ass.

 

[PRS]

hate crap like that, i would've just started playing on one of the courts and would not have left unless he could've kicked my ass.

Agreed. If he's not actively using a public court, it's fair game. If he wants to reserve courts like that, he can pay for it somewhere that has court reservations or get hired by a club. But I bet his players are getting ripped off if they're playing for group lessons on public courts like that, he's obviously not that professional.

No way I'd let a cart of balls sitting on an otherwise open court keep me from playing.

 

[sovertennis]

The ball cart does not "reserve" the court for the guy, who is making money on a public court while preventing others member of the public from using an open court. You could wheel the cart off the court and begin playing, which may lead to an argument with the guy, but he has to know what he's doing isn't legit. Note: I'm a tennis coach and (with permission from my city park and rec dept) coach on a public court that does not allow reservations.

 

[esgee48]

Tell him he will be reported to the city’s park and rec department. Take a sneak photo. See how fast he leaves. Our P&R can permanently ban people from using their facilities. Getting caught can cost them $$.

 

[ChaelAZ]

There are a few places like that, where supposed coaches try to grab public courts like they are their own. I would have just started playing.

 

[sureshs]

This guy was on one court with six players. Working with them for half an hour on one court. Meanwhile he has his carts parked on two other empty courts. Blocking playing access to those courts.

He does NOT have reservations for the courts. Courts are public and can not be reserved.

Finally after 30 minutes, his players get on the two other courts.

I think waiting players should be able to take the court if nobody is physically playing on them.

Have seen this. Guy puts stuff like carts or cones on one court while drilling on the other. Ask him about the empty court and he will say his students are coming over.

We have discussed this before. You need to file a complaint with the city after taking pictures. A drastic action would be to occupy the court and challenge him to call the police, but that could end up badly.

 

[Humbi_HTX]

Don't let him call the cops on you because you touched his stuff, you call the cops on him for taking public courts to coach-for-pay and all you do is wait until they show up.

I had several coaches that would show up and take a court or 2 for the whole morning drilling different groups of students.

After having to call the cops several times, even if you don't get them kicked out, the students get their time interrupted and is awkward for them to be present while the coach argues with cops and other players waiting for court, so they all stopped showing up and now go to a pay-to-play public courts.

 

[sureshs]

Couple of weeks ago I was playing at a private apartment complex with 2 courts. One court was occupied by a teaching pro, which I am sure is against the rules. He was teaching 6 or 7 students and the balls kept coming over into our court and he offered no apologies. Basically a hustler. At the end, each person handed him $10 in cash. I suppose as beginners they figured it would be $25 each for a group lesson and this was much cheaper, but they are adding to the problem assuming even one of them was a resident there (there is no one to check on Sundays). But considering how costly lessons have become, I suppose this was inevitable.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Tell him he will be reported to the city’s park and rec department. Take a sneak photo. See how fast he leaves. Our P&R can permanently ban people from using their facilities. Getting caught can cost them $$.

Yes, Parks&Rec usually crack down on these type of violators. But in this case, it was a city junior college court so presumably only the campus police enforce these rules. Have dealt with campus police on other non-related matters and found them to be quite incompetent and unpleasant. I might report it if it continues to be a problem. But will not be surprised if the campus police just blow me off.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Couple of weeks ago I was playing at a private apartment complex with 2 courts. One court was occupied by a teaching pro, which I am sure is against the rules.

Guessing that an apartment complex resident is allowed to hire a coach and bring him onto the court as his guest.
Not sure about the other 5 players on the court. As long as the resident is occupying just one court, it may not be an issue.

 

[sureshs]

Guessing that an apartment complex resident is allowed to hire a coach and bring him onto the court as his guest.
Not sure about the other 5 players on the court. As long as the resident is occupying just one court, it may not be an issue.

Many apartment complexes forbid it, for liability and other issues. It deprives other residents from getting the court if someone from outside is brought in.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

It deprives other residents from getting the court if someone from outside is brought in.

If a complex resident is using the court, it makes no difference who is on the court with him; the court will be unavailable.
The court will in use for either a complex resident vs guest match or a resident vs resident match.

I sometimes play with a resident at his complex as a guest. I leave the court as soon as he does. No resident is deprived of a court.
I think most complex residents that utilize the courts invite guests as their hitting partner. That is the more common scenario.
If I moved into a complex I would find it very odd if my hitting partners were to be restricted to other complex residents.

 

[sureshs]

If a complex resident is using the court, it makes no difference who is on the court with him; the court will be unavailable.
The court will in use for a complex resident vs guest match or a resident vs resident match.

I sometimes play with a resident at his complex as a guest. I leave the court as soon as he does. No resident is deprived.
I think most complex residents that utilize the courts invite guests as their hitting partner. That is the more common scenario.
If I moved into a complex I would find it very odd for my hitting partners to be restricted to other complex residents.

No, I have seen complexes where teaching by an outside coach is forbidden (even if there is no "approved" coach). I think it has to do with occupation rate (a true guest or resident is likely to be there less often than a coach, and the coach also has the incentive to show up again for another student). Also, liability issues - if money is exchanged, some legal issues arise.

 

[Bambooman]

I've had people walk onto a court that I am drying off or sweeping leaves from on the basis that I am not actively playing tennis but doing some other activity not listed as a use of the court. And argue that too.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

No, I have seen complexes where teaching by an outside coach is forbidden (even if there is no "approved" coach). I think it has to do with occupation rate (a true guest or resident is likely to be there less often than a coach, and the coach also has the incentive to show up again for another student). Also, liability issues - if money is exchanged, some legal issues arise.

That makes sense. It helps ensure that courts are mainly being used by complex residents and their guests.
I am considering proposing that a complex community build tennis courts. There seems to be plenty of space and cost of courts are not that high.
But even if approved, one issue could be outsiders coming in and taking over the courts. There has to be proper enforcement. Such as locked gates, key access etc.

 

[tennis3]

 

[AnyPUG]

The guy was the first to arrive with 6 players and should be able to reserve 3 courts (1 court per 2 players). Whether or
not he uses a cart or players to reserve is not relevant.

 

[onehandbh]

That makes sense. It helps ensure that courts are mainly being used by complex residents and their guests.
I am considering proposing that a complex community build tennis courts. There seems to be plenty of space and cost of courts are not that high.
But even if approved, one issue could be outsiders coming in and taking over the courts. There has to be proper enforcement. Such as locked gates, key access etc.

How would that costs be distributed and who would be responsible for leading the project?

Working with complex numbers can be both a blessing and a curse. Some people may not want to do much and have an "I want the benefits" attitude but without contibuting much. In these cases you may have to identify the negative "i" people and root them out to perhaps give have slightly dimished benefits.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

How would that costs be distributed and who would be responsible for leading the project?

Working with complex numbers can be both a blessing and a curse. Some people may not want to do much and have an "I want the benefits" attitude but without contibuting much. In these cases you may have to identify the negative "i" people and root them out to perhaps give have slightly dimished benefits.

Have no experience approaching housing community to consider constructing tennis courts. My guess is that you first find out how many tennis enthusiasts there are in the housing complex. If there are, let's say, 30 households willing to pay annual $1000 membership fee, that should get things started.

It would be much more convenient for many complex members to go to a court nearby rather than makibg a linger trip to a crowded public park.

 

[Jono123]

I'd say go speak to him politely and ask if its OK to use one and he use the remaining. If you dont, you're not giving him a chance.

If you do and he objects, then you have a case to escalate.

 

[WYK]

This guy was on one court with six players. Working with them for half an hour on one court. Meanwhile he has his carts parked on two other empty courts. Blocking playing access to those courts.

He does NOT have reservations for the courts. Courts are public and can not be reserved.

Finally after 30 minutes, his players get on the two other courts.

I think waiting players should be able to take the court if nobody is physically playing on them.

Douse the carts with lighter fluid and set them alight next time.
I would be surprised if the court rules allow coaching on a public court.

 

[Happi]

Wouldnt it be easy just to have an online booking system, and you can only have one open booking hour at a time.

 

[Jono123]

Wouldnt it be easy just to have an online booking system, and you can only have one open booking hour at a time.

Then the have the other issue, people booking and not turning up.

Im a member of one club which sometimes has all courts booked and no one on them.

 

[Happi]

Then the have the other issue, people booking and not turning up.

Im a member of one club which sometimes has all courts booked and no one on them.

We have a rule at my club that 10 min past booking time the court is free if nobody shows up. Works very well, as you can only have one open booking, players wants to cancel so they can book another court.

 

[sureshs]

How would that costs be distributed and who would be responsible for leading the project?

The HOA will have to sign off.

 

[sureshs]

Wouldnt it be easy just to have an online booking system, and you can only have one open booking hour at a time.

Apartment management is not interested in this. In many cases, the gate locks, electronic or mechanical, are never repaired after they break. Residents find it easy to just leave the gate open with a brick and there is no electronic warning sent. Property managers do not want to devote resources to maintaining a booking website, enforcing the policies, or even keeping the gates locked. Typically, they are very cheap and do the minimum they have to in order to prevent tenant lawsuits and to pass inspections. When they do make improvements, it is to attract new clients, and those people typically will not enquire about the court reservation policy as long as the courts look OK to the eye as kind of a decoration.

 

[sureshs]

We have a rule at my club that 10 min past booking time the court is free if nobody shows up. Works very well, as you can only have one open booking, players wants to cancel so they can book another court.

It is 15 minutes at my club

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Some people may not want to do much and have an "I want the benefits" attitude but without contibuting much. In these cases you may have to identify the negative "i" people and root them out to perhaps give have slightly dimished benefits.

The HOA will have to sign off.

It could be setup where the HOA club is for members only. You must be a member of the HOA and you must be a paid member of the club.
That should solve any issues of non-contributors utilizing the club.

 

[sureshs]

It could be setup where the HOA club is for members only. You must be a member of the HOA and you must be a paid member of the club.
That should solve any issues of non-contributors utilizing the club.

It could be, but not all the HOA members may agree. Any facility typically incurs expenses which touches on other facilities, like electricity, landscaping, lighting etc. Moreover, there is a big risk these days that the courts will eventually be used for Pickleball and ruin lives with the noise. Some people will also not like the fact that it will be very difficult to prevent members of the club from bringing guests or for their children to be partying there.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

It could be, but not all the HOA members may agree. Any facility typically incurs expenses which touches on other facilities, like electricity, landscaping, lighting etc. Moreover, there is a big risk these days that the courts will eventually be used for Pickleball and ruin lives with the noise. Some people will also not like the fact that it will be very difficult to prevent members of the club from bringing guests or for their children to be partying there.

I notice construction of new apartment communities and they are including tennis. So overall, it is very much a positive.
Getting an existing community to add one is more difficult but as long as there is interest from numerous tennis playing households and membership fees pay for the costs there should be little objection.

As for pickelball noise , it should not even be a consideration in the decision-making process.
Since when do we make decisions based on what skateboard people , pickel people and other violators might do to courts? Just ban it and strictly enforce the "tennis only" rules. The pickelballer violators can all go to hell.

 

[sureshs]

I notice construction of new apartment communities and they are including tennis. So overall, it is very much a positive.
Getting an existing community to add one is more difficult but as long as there is interest from numerous tennis playing households and membership fees pay for the costs there should be little objection. As for pickelball noise , it should not even be a consideration in the decision-making process. Just ban it and strictly enforce the "tennis only" rules. The pickelballers can go to hell.

I agree. @ByeByePoly