How do I make a Volkl Organix 10 feel more like a PB 10 Mid?

Maui19

Hall of Fame
I like the larger head of the X10 (325), but LOVE the way the PB 10 Mid feels on groundstrokes; the PB 10 feels so much more solid and substantial. The PB 10 feels much heavier in my hand, but it is virtually the same weights as the X10. The PB is 8 pts HL, the X10 is 7 pts.

So what can I do to the X10 to make it feel more like the PB 10?
 
I like the larger head of the X10 (325), but LOVE the way the PB 10 Mid feels on groundstrokes; the PB 10 feels so much more solid and substantial. The PB 10 feels much heavier in my hand, but it is virtually the same weights as the X10. The PB is 8 pts HL, the X10 is 7 pts.

So what can I do to the X10 to make it feel more like the PB 10?

ALREADY POSTED IN YOUR OTHER THREAD:

Okay I went back to my PB 10 today for a little practice with some 4.5s. Boy is this a great stick! It is so much more solid on ground strokes than the demo Organix 10 that I am wondering if the new racquet will really be an improvement over the PB 10.

The PB 10 feels signficantly more solid (more plowthrough?) on groundstrokes than the X10. My first impression is that the PB 10 is just a heavier stick, but when I measured the two, the PB was only 7g heavier than the X10.

Is there a way to make the X10 feel more like the PB on groundies?

That's a given when you make a 93in2 comparison to a 98in2. To get the same plow thru, the larger head has to have more weight in the head, approx. 1-2 pts movement in balance.

I weighted my X10 325 identical to my PB 10 Mid, but added 1 gram at 3/9 and .75 gram at 12:00. My PB 10 Mid weighs 392 grams.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Nothing - the organix are made stiffer and this accounts for the feel - i don't think you can customize feel into a frame.
 

howy

New User
Forget it. The X10 cannot be customized to feel like a PB10Mid.
So go and grab as many PB10Mid as you can.
 
Why would you want to make it feel like a PB10?

The Volkl PB10 is a horrible, wobbly mess of a racquet.

Volkl PB10.

Horrible, wobbly, over-polarized mess of a stick.

Even took 3 attempts on the Bay before I managed to get rid of it.

Don't expect anything positive from someone who comes to Volkl threads just to be disruptive. Fortunately, his trolling posts always get removed. Soon, he'll be banned.
 

Torres

Banned
Don't expect anything positive from someone who comes to Volkl threads just to be disruptive. Fortunately, his trolling posts always get removed. Soon, he'll be banned.

The Volkl PB10 is a wobbly mess of a racquet. Over polarized, and far too much flex for its weight. The whole thing shakes and vibrates on striking the ball, particularly against heavy hitters.

Sorry that you think that anyone who doesn't love every single Volkl racquet on the planet or doesn't agree with you (and there are alot of those) and sets you straight with the facts, is a 'troll'.

Some people like Racquet X and others like Racquet Y. Some people hate Racquet X and others hate Racquet Y. The vast majority of people understand that as well as the TW staff, and that forums are about discussion, debate and range of views, rather than one dimensional, over controlling, propaganda from a certain Volkl biased poster.
 
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rlau

Hall of Fame
Torres,

It's been deleted from the Volkl range for a good reason, and not replaced by anything remotely similar for a very good reason.

It has not been deleted -- apparently it's one of the best selling Volkls ever, and it got a very positive review by Tennis Warehouse.

The successor to the PB10 Mid will come out later. TMav can probably tell you (or anyone who is actually interested) when.
 
YMMV dude.

Just add a little lead where the X is, except the bridge, and that should help with your plow thru off the ground. As previously mentioned, 1 gram at 3/9 and .5-.75 at 12:00 may solve your problem. Your balance should move about 1 pt, which helps a 98in2 match the plow of it's smaller brother. Good Luck!
 
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Torres,



It has not been deleted -- apparently it's one of the best selling Volkls ever, and it got a very positive review by Tennis Warehouse.

The successor to the PB10 Mid will come out later. TMav can probably tell you (or anyone who is actually interested) when.

They delayed the update to the X10 Mid for a full year because of the stick's success. The earliest the new release will be is US Open 2012, if not early 2013 if they push it back again. It will most likely continue to be produced as the third Volkl classic frame after the Classic V1 and the C10 Pro.

Deleted......
 

Maui19

Hall of Fame
Just add a little lead where the X is, except the bridge, and that should help with your plow thru off the ground. As previously mentioned, 1 gram at 3/9 and .5-.75 at 12:00 may solve your problem. Your balance should move about 1 pt, which helps a 98in2 match the plow of it's smaller brother. Good Luck!

I finally got ambitious and used the TW customization tool, which recommended basically the same thing you are saying (3g at 21.7" from handle).

I did an admittedly unscientific "swinging racquets with eyes closed" and I now can't tell the two apart (although a lamp may have been injured in the process). That's a good start (the racquets, not the lamp). We'll see how it goes on the court today.

Thanks for your help.
 

Maui19

Hall of Fame
The Volkl PB10 is a wobbly mess of a racquet. Over polarized, and far too much flex for its weight. The whole thing shakes and vibrates on striking the ball, particularly against heavy hitters.

Sorry that you think that anyone who doesn't love every single Volkl racquet on the planet or doesn't agree with you (and there are alot of those) and sets you straight with the facts, is a 'troll'.

Some people like Racquet X and others like Racquet Y. Some people hate Racquet X and others hate Racquet Y. The vast majority of people understand that as well as the TW staff, and that forums are about discussion, debate and range of views, rather than one dimensional, over controlling, propaganda for a one particular poster.

Seriously, why would you come into a thread like this to crap on my racquet? Do you think that is helpful to the community, or that it somehow reflects well on you? Obviously it does neither.

Every playtest I have read gives the PB 10 Mid glowing reviews, as does the feedback from users. I happen to find it to be a VERY solid stick.

If anyone thinks the PB 10 Mid is wobbly, then maybe they might want to do something about their little girl arms and head to the gym.

You clearly have issues with TMav. He rubs me the wrong way many times but he does provide a lot of helpful to the community here. What do you offer?

If all you can do is cr@p all over someone, then you should do it in the proper place: the Nadal vs Federer threads. Thanks.
 

Torres

Banned
^ It's not 'crapping all over someone' at all. It's a view different to your own, and I know alot of players who didn't like the PB10 for the same reason. The PB10 is wobbly and too flexible for its weight. The whole frame shakes, twists and moves on impact with the ball, particularly against big hitters.

Compare that to something like the BLX 90. You strike the ball with that and despite the thin beam, the racquet feels hefty and solid at all times. Same with the Head Prestige Mid. Very solid stick on contact with the ball. Same with the 6.1 95. But not the PB10.

If you want the heft of the PB10 with the Organix 10 then all you need is some lead in the hoop - after all, there is a significant difference in swingweights.

For some reason at the moment, it seems that no one is allowed to say anything remotely critical of Volkls - probably because a certain poster goes crying to the moderators every 5 minutes.
 
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I finally got ambitious and used the TW customization tool, which recommended basically the same thing you are saying (3g at 21.7" from handle).

I did an admittedly unscientific "swinging racquets with eyes closed" and I now can't tell the two apart (although a lamp may have been injured in the process). That's a good start (the racquets, not the lamp). We'll see how it goes on the court today.

Thanks for your help.

Cool! "21.7" from handle"...I am assuming from the butt?

Please send me an email through the site and let me know what I do that bothers you. Obviously, that is not my intention, especially for serious Volkl users.

Also, DFTT! You'll get stalked. Besides addressing anti-Asian hate, like the Li Na thread which was just deleted five minutes ago, I never do and I haven't done so in a real tennis thread in over 8 months, except for my single post above. Sometimes, one's hands are forced. Otherwise, I ignore the posse, except for their racist anti-Asian hate speech, which is just too offensive and just cannot be ignored.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The reviews of the PB mid remind me, to some extent, of those of the exo 03 Tour: you have those who love the flexibility and those who think its powerless mush lacking in solid feel.
 

Hominator

Hall of Fame
I finally got ambitious and used the TW customization tool, which recommended basically the same thing you are saying (3g at 21.7" from handle).

I did an admittedly unscientific "swinging racquets with eyes closed" and I now can't tell the two apart (although a lamp may have been injured in the process). That's a good start (the racquets, not the lamp). We'll see how it goes on the court today.

Thanks for your help.

Stringing your X10 lower - like in the low fifties or less - also helps the X10 mimic the PB10's long dwell time. I know when I switched earlier in the year, I had to string mine looser to compensate. Good luck!
 

Hominator

Hall of Fame
The reviews of the PB mid remind me, to some extent, of those of the exo 03 Tour: you have those who love the flexibility and those who think its powerless mush lacking in solid feel.

Agreed. It seems that people either love or hate these two sticks.
 

Hominator

Hall of Fame
Maui19 - please check out my question to you in the References section. Wanna make sure I didn't misunderstand you. Thanks.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
The Volkl PB10 is a wobbly mess of a racquet. Over polarized, and far too much flex for its weight. The whole thing shakes and vibrates on striking the ball, particularly against heavy hitters.

Sorry that you think that anyone who doesn't love every single Volkl racquet on the planet or doesn't agree with you (and there are alot of those) and sets you straight with the facts, is a 'troll'.

Some people like Racquet X and others like Racquet Y. Some people hate Racquet X and others hate Racquet Y. The vast majority of people understand that as well as the TW staff, and that forums are about discussion, debate and range of views, rather than one dimensional, over controlling, propaganda from a certain Volkl biased poster.

Well then wouldn't it be a contradiction for Chris, as stated in another thread, to love the PB 10 mid and yet just recently switch to the new Prestige? Could the new Prestige be that different than the Youtek that you hit? You do hit the Youtek, correct? How could he possibly like both if they are so different? I guess it's possible to like racquets that are at odds, so to speak, but I wouldn't expect an affinity for both a "wobbly mess" on the one hand and a Prestige on the other.

And as far as a poster being "controlling and propagandizing," that would be true only if people were being controlled or buying into propaganda. Your statement is actually an insult to Volkl/BB users because the implication is that we can't think for ourselves, although I realize that you probably didn't intend it quite that way, but that is the way it comes across. If I find that a certain poster's recommendation doesn't suit me, I move on to something that does. There's no obligation or compulsion. I have the freedom to use any gear I like or to reject any gear that I like. I seriously considered Volkl for the first time after a demo of the C-10 Pro in early 2008, several years before I knew anything about a TT discussion board. After one hit with the C-10 Pro 08, I knew that Volkl was about something very different than other racquet brands. That pulled me in. The fact that I like the same type of raquets as the poster to whom you are referencing does not make him a Volkl wizard (debatable:))and me under his dark spell.

The value of his posts, imo, is in the areas of technical, strategic, and coaching helps, which has much less to do with actual gear. When he gives gear advice, he gives it from his experience and perspective, just like you or I would do. Why should he be censored for that? We can all take it or leave it.
 
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howy

New User
You must have done very little modifications to your PB 10 Mid. Mine weigh 392 grams, so I can make it play like anything.

If you pimp all your rackets to this weight, I agree there will be not much difference between different rackets, but they loose also their initial feel. Sorry, my thoughts...


At 392 it probably plays like a tree trunk. Moreover, at 392 its no longer the racquet that Volkl built.

my words
 
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howy

New User
The Volkl PB10 is a wobbly mess of a racquet. Over polarized, and far too much flex for its weight. The whole thing shakes and vibrates on striking the ball, particularly against heavy hitters.

I found the feedback of the PB9 or PB10 quite stiff compared to the DNX series. All depends on your personal preferences and style of play.
 
If you pimp all your rackets to this weight, I agree there will be not much difference between different rackets, but they loose also their initial feel. Sorry, my thoughts...

The concept is to always modify a racquet to one's personal specs. Then, if the stick fits, you can play with it. That's the SOP. A sticks qualities stock, is irrelevant for most players, since no one plays stock. My personal specs have been the same since my Snawaert Boronites in 1979.
 

Maui19

Hall of Fame
I got a chance to play the modified demo and it does in fact play very similarly my PB 10. I may add a little more weight at 3 and 9 and a commensurate amount at the butt because I think I would like just a touch heavier stick.
 
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