If Novak overtakes Nadal in the slam count, does the H2H of Fedal become irrelevant?
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Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
Who rates Edberg higher than Becker?
It haunted me so much that I made sure the H2H is now in my favor on every surface except clay.
So reasoning does work that way, yes.
Some people on this forum. I don't think Becker has clearly achieved more. Those that rate Edberg seem to base it solely on their H2H at Wimbledon (Edberg leads 2-1 there). They don't look on the fact that Becker made 7 Wimbledon finals compared to Edberg's 3 or Becker won 3 Wimbledon's vs Edberg's 2. They ignore the fact that Becker won 5 Major season end finals (3 WTF, 1 WCT Finals, 1 Grand Slam Cup) vs 1 for Edberg (1 WTF) - at a time when indoor tennis was very important.
mightyjeditribble
Hall of Fame
Actually, we won't. The three will retire with achievements so close to each other that none will be clear or undisputed GOAT.
It's a bit like the Ring Parable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_the_Wise
The only way to really have a GOAT is if the achievements are so clear that even (reasonable) fans of the other players have to concede it. That is very unlikely to happen now, unless Rafa and Novak stop winning. In a way, the perfect thing for tennis would be for all three of them to end on 20 GS titles.
itrium84
Hall of Fame
If they all finish with 20, Novak will (almost certainly) have 1 or more NCYGS, most YEC titles in history, most slam finals in history, most m1000 titles in history, most no1 year-ends in history, most no1 weeks in history, only guy in history to win all big tournaments, most dominant player in 1 year cycle in history (BOAT), with highest atp points record in history (16950), highest ELO record in history, and with positive h2h against Nadal and Federer.Actually, we won't. The three will retire with achievements so close to each other that none will be clear or undisputed GOAT.
It's a bit like the Ring Parable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_the_Wise
The only way to really have a GOAT is if the achievements are so clear that even (reasonable) fans of the other players have to concede it. That is very unlikely to happen now, unless Rafa and Novak stop winning. In a way, the perfect thing for tennis would be for all three of them to end on 20 GS titles.
You're saying there are reasonable people not acknowledging this as a GOAT career?
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vex
Legend
Solid pointsActually, we won't. The three will retire with achievements so close to each other that none will be clear or undisputed GOAT.
It's a bit like the Ring Parable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_the_Wise
The only way to really have a GOAT is if the achievements are so clear that even (reasonable) fans of the other players have to concede it. That is very unlikely to happen now, unless Rafa and Novak stop winning. In a way, the perfect thing for tennis would be for all three of them to end on 20 GS titles.
I don't understand what your post means. You have avoided answering my question.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Those posters who believed that probably don't post here anymore. The new posters aren't following their footsteps because it would be silly to do that when Novak is closer to him than Nadal is to Fed. So they can't ignore the slam difference anymore because that would mean admiting Novak is better than Rafa.
Djokovic2011
Bionic Poster
None of this would matter. Federer plays with a one handed backhand which automatically makes him GOAT.
chjtennis
G.O.A.T.
I don't see what OP is trying to say, but when it comes to Fed v Nad, same arguments again?
1) Nadal leading 12-2 on clay while being unable to meet Federer on other surfaces when he was younger has a lot to do with the H2H lead. Also, Federer made it deep into tournaments more than Nadal when he was way below his 100% and lost a lot of those matches.
2) Nadal is 5 years younger than Federer. If two players are close in ability, the player who is 5 years younger should beat the older guy once he enters his prime. Same with Djokovic who is 6 years younger than Federer. Nadal and Djokovic both should be expected to dominate their rivalries v Federer, being 5-6 years junior, especially because of Federer's longevity and the fact that plenty of chances have been given to them.
3) With Nadal, RF97A and neo-BH are such big factors.
1) Nadal leading 12-2 on clay while being unable to meet Federer on other surfaces when he was younger has a lot to do with the H2H lead. Also, Federer made it deep into tournaments more than Nadal when he was way below his 100% and lost a lot of those matches.
2) Nadal is 5 years younger than Federer. If two players are close in ability, the player who is 5 years younger should beat the older guy once he enters his prime. Same with Djokovic who is 6 years younger than Federer. Nadal and Djokovic both should be expected to dominate their rivalries v Federer, being 5-6 years junior, especially because of Federer's longevity and the fact that plenty of chances have been given to them.
3) With Nadal, RF97A and neo-BH are such big factors.
How about you try a different approach? Instead of assuming every fan of other players is hypocritical, I would suggest that you actually find evidence of a single poster who is hypocritical and point out their hypocrisy directly to them in response to them. What you are doing is basically creating an argument out of thin air and then arguing against that point. I would encourage you to read about what a strawman argument is because that is precisely what you are doing.
