Loose Cannon
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Important people always arrive late
I have terrible ****y issues
Important people always arrive late
You didn't apply the rules and neither did the other team.
After 15 minutes is a default. If you had both applied the rules correctly, you would have won the first match and your guy wouldn't have lost the second match.
If you used the rules, you wouldn't be posting here about some weird unfair situation. Application of the rules are intended to make everything as fair as possible.
You did not apply the rules and what happened to you was unfair as a result.
Big dogs dont care about rules, champ......
Its like 'in one ear, and out the next'
Rules only apply to those that are weak enough to allow them to be enforced
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I have terrible ****y issues
/* mini hijack coming */
Cindy,
How the heck does your team that only won one match all season...make the flight playoffs? Why bother with the regular season at all?
The team is only one well timed FAA national air flight ban or massive no-fly list glitch from being national champs.How the heck does your team that only won one match all season...make the flight playoffs?
We had some drama on our 4.0 ladies day league playoff match today.
I was acting captain.
If I were queen of the world, teams like ours would not be in the playoffs at all.
Don't give me a hard time, folks. I was not even the captain of this team....
That said, I probably would have enforced the rules pretty much in the fashion I did had I been the captain.
That's OK -- we won the team match anyway.
No, I would not have enforced the rules. Bad Karma, what goes around, comes around.
Don't want to hijack this thread, but ... who hasn't dealt with the habitually late person that always comes in late with a wave of the hand ... and breezily announces, 'sorry' ... after making the other 3 guys wait 20 minutes for a doubles outing??
There is always a 'reason'.
We had a match recently where our opponents had a doubles player stuck in traffic. The match time was 6pm, and (per league rules) the default time was 6:15. The team decided to put one of their singles players into that doubles match, so everyone that was there could play in case the ****y player didn't make it.
Because we didn't have to worry about keeping the courts (private club), we told the opposing captain that if their player arrives by around 6:30 we'd go ahead and play the match. We exchanged line-ups at that point with the missing player on the 2nd singles line.
My captain then found out our #1 singles player had had a rough day at work and would really prefer not to play. He then asked if we could switch singles lines. The opposing captain was firm that "no, you can't change the line-up after the exchange". This is absolutely true, but interesting after we had agreed to extend the default time...
Anyway, at 6:30 our captain declares the 2nd singles line a default. At 6:45 the missing player arrives. Our captain isn't interested in re-visiting the decision to default the line. The other team starts petitioning me (I am the co-captain) saying "hey, everyone is here, why not let them play?". Since I agree with this sentiment, I spoke with our captain and convinced him to let the match proceed. I did have to point out to the other team, though, that we would have felt much more generous if they hadn't decided to strictly follow the rule book against us earlier.
To top it off, once all that was resolved they asked if they could restore their original line-up and let the missing player play doubles instead of singles.
So while I agree (and demonstrated) that getting people a chance to play is the real goal, once you start bending the rules you end up in some weird situations.
How strict are people around here about the ****iness penalties?
One of my singles players told me a few days before our last match that she might not be on time. I didn't have anyone else available, so I told her to do her best.
My substitute captain told me that the player arrived exactly 15 minutes late. She walked through the doors of the tennis facility wearing a suit and pulling wheeled luggage. The substitute captain told her opponent, "She's here, she's here!"
The opponent replied, "Nope, she's defaulted. It's 15 minutes after and she's not dressed and ready to play."
My substitute captain didn't argue. Rules are rules.
We swept the doubles, winning a set tiebreak and two match tiebreaks to do it. Ha!!
How strict are people around here about the ****iness penalties?
One of my singles players told me a few days before our last match that she might not be on time. I didn't have anyone else available, so I told her to do her best.
My substitute captain told me that the player arrived exactly 15 minutes late. She walked through the doors of the tennis facility wearing a suit and pulling wheeled luggage. The substitute captain told her opponent, "She's here, she's here!"
The opponent replied, "Nope, she's defaulted. It's 15 minutes after and she's not dressed and ready to play."
My substitute captain didn't argue. Rules are rules.
We swept the doubles, winning a set tiebreak and two match tiebreaks to do it. Ha!!
I'll give a couple of minutes of grace time but that's it.
I expect no leeway from anyone else and I will give very little. The rules ensure fair play when applied consistently.
So if your opponent was five minutes late, you'd rather win by default and go home, rather than overlook it and just play the match?
So if your opponent was five minutes late, you'd rather win by default and go home, rather than overlook it and just play the match?
5 minutes late is not a default.
15 minutes late is a default.
If the 15 minute mark rolls around and the opponent is nowhere to be seen, I'll have already written "6-0 6-0" on my scoresheet. If he shows up after another 5 minutes - remember, that's now 20 minutes late and wants to play a friendly match I'll oblige.
So match is supposed to start at 5:00. Opponent arrives at 5:16 and you're taking a win by default and going home? How fun!
So if your opponent was five minutes late, you'd rather win by default and go home, rather than overlook it and just play the match?
Captains are encouraged to be flexible and accommodating whenever possible. It is the responsibility of all players to be on time for a match, and it is the home captain's responsibility to keep things running on time (particularly true on heavily used courts and at facilities with many teams), but whenever possible, captains are encouraged to demonstrate good sportsmanship by treating their guests as they would like to be treated in return.
I was wondering that as well.........I wasn't sure I was reading that properly.
Some people seem to lack pride
I try to abide by this (from the Norcal local league rules):
You'll sit around for 20-30 minutes for your opponent after the scheduled start time, and if he shows up just go ahead and play?
What will you do when you're 16 minutes late next week and he calls a default on you?
You get what we had earlier in this thread - someone complaining about how unfair it is that he gave someone extra time but didn't get any himself.
You know who lacks pride? Someone who shows up 30 minutes late for a match and expects it to be no big deal.
No, this is wrong. I have said none of this. You are making things up and attributing them to me.
"If the 15 minute mark rolls around and the opponent is nowhere to be seen, I'll have already written "6-0 6-0" on my scoresheet" -- johnnythan
How strict are people around here about the ****iness penalties?
One of my singles players told me a few days before our last match that she might not be on time. I didn't have anyone else available, so I told her to do her best.
My substitute captain told me that the player arrived exactly 15 minutes late. She walked through the doors of the tennis facility wearing a suit and pulling wheeled luggage. The substitute captain told her opponent, "She's here, she's here!"
The opponent replied, "Nope, she's defaulted. It's 15 minutes after and she's not dressed and ready to play."
My substitute captain didn't argue. Rules are rules.
We swept the doubles, winning a set tiebreak and two match tiebreaks to do it. Ha!!
We have courts reserved for 2 hour blocks, but it is basically an unspoken rule that you don't kick off someone that runs over in a league match. Clubs will adjust scheduling to accommodate.
Yes, it is frustrating when I arrive and want to hit for a few minutes, but I have to wait for the 3.0 ladies doubles match to finish their 19-17 match tiebreak. But, I would never tell them that the court is now ours and they'll have to figure something out. I'd be an outcast.
Any team whose match runs over their scheduled time allotment should vacate the courts for the next team, even if they have not finished their match. Here is the scenario:
Team A has the courts at 1:00. Team B has the same courts at 3:00. Team A starts late (guys), or warms up longer than five minutes, or takes multiple very long, very chatty bathroom breaks (gals), and when Team B arrives at 3:00, Team A is still playing.
Team B should be entitled to start its match at its scheduled time. Team B might be willing and able to give Team A ten or fifteen minutes, if they are close to finishing. That is up to Team B.
If Team A has not finished its match when Team B claims the courts, Team A will need to reschedule the balance of their incomplete match. Team A then knows the importance of starting on time, not extending warm ups, and keeping bathroom breaks to a minimum. And Team C will appreciate getting their courts at 5:00, as scheduled
Now that is one of my peeves. Just as the visiting team needs to find the courts and arrive on time, the home team needs to get those courts available. If an earlier match is running 5-10 minutes late then fine - it is essentially the same as someone running a few minutes late arriving). Beyond that, I expect the home captain to make the earlier match move or he's going to risk forfeiting a line. The Norcal league rules refer to this as well:
Well, I guess it all depends what your motiviation is in playing league tennis. If your goal is 3.5 playoff glory, then I understand your point of view.This year my 3.5 team missed the playoffs by a single individual match. I'm not going to ignore the rules for the sole purpose of giving opponents more chances to win and knock us out of the playoffs.
You wouldn't like Florida. It's pretty laid back here. You'd be viewed poorly if you made a current match move instead of starting yours somewhere else or a few minutes later. The clubs are accustomed to accommodating...we call it southern hospitality. A lot of people like living and visiting here for that reason.
Dunno where in NorCal Kyle plays, but in my area, we're all pretty laid back. Matches rarely start on time... usually everyone is casually warming up, and then maybe 5 or 10 mins after the scheduled match start time one of the captains will remember that it's time to exchange lineups and get going officially. If someone is late, usually no issue since our matches are not timed. There are a couple of clubs that are more strict about court time limits because of scheduling and so on, but they are in the minority and even then they allow a 3 hour time block for matches, so usually time is not an issue.
Dunno where in NorCal Kyle plays, but in my area, we're all pretty laid back. Matches rarely start on time... usually everyone is casually warming up, and then maybe 5 or 10 mins after the scheduled match start time one of the captains will remember that it's time to exchange lineups and get going officially. If someone is late, usually no issue since our matches are not timed. There are a couple of clubs that are more strict about court time limits because of scheduling and so on, but they are in the minority and even then they allow a 3 hour time block for matches, so usually time is not an issue.
Dunno where in NorCal Kyle plays, but in my area, we're all pretty laid back. Matches rarely start on time... usually everyone is casually warming up, and then maybe 5 or 10 mins after the scheduled match start time one of the captains will remember that it's time to exchange lineups and get going officially. If someone is late, usually no issue since our matches are not timed. There are a couple of clubs that are more strict about court time limits because of scheduling and so on, but they are in the minority and even then they allow a 3 hour time block for matches, so usually time is not an issue.
Generally in Diablo South. I am pretty laid back and (as I've posted) pretty forgiving about delays. We all have lives and my goal with tennis is to actually play. There are at least 4 facilities in our area though, that are pretty impacted for scheduling and have strict 2 hour limits for league matches (including my home facility). Having people arrive late, take long warm-ups and play a close match often causes them to run overtime - into a time slot that the club has booked for someone else.
As I poster earlier, if the courts are available and the players don't have other obligations then I always take the side of letting people play.