I'm starting a racquet company - how would you design your perfect racquet?
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lucieisland
Semi-Pro
a bit late, but for me, an ideal racket would be.
a kind of adaptive head, a frame (without handle), like PT57 P280, P230 , or flexible frame, (lower than 55RA), light (under 280g) two layouts of choice, 16/19 or 18/20, with a set of handle (head TS82 type), weighing from 5 to 25g, and grommet games with weights included (or to be included) from 5 to 40g ...
which would make frames of 290g (frame 280g + handle 5g + grommet 5g) to frames of 345g (frame 280g + handle 25g + grommet 40g)
a kind of adaptive head, a frame (without handle), like PT57 P280, P230 , or flexible frame, (lower than 55RA), light (under 280g) two layouts of choice, 16/19 or 18/20, with a set of handle (head TS82 type), weighing from 5 to 25g, and grommet games with weights included (or to be included) from 5 to 40g ...
which would make frames of 290g (frame 280g + handle 5g + grommet 5g) to frames of 345g (frame 280g + handle 25g + grommet 40g)
teachingprotx
Legend
Make 3 rackets 93 98 and 100
Make them all flexible give it a cool name make up a Cool “””” revolutionary “”engineering term for using cheap fibreglass with a loose carbon matrix .
Use Wilson grips . Save a ton of money and not use any paint .. hydro dip them with films . Buy out the defunct estusa name .
Make them all flexible give it a cool name make up a Cool “””” revolutionary “”engineering term for using cheap fibreglass with a loose carbon matrix .
Use Wilson grips . Save a ton of money and not use any paint .. hydro dip them with films . Buy out the defunct estusa name .
Power Player
Bionic Poster
The contract with Sureshs as the lead sponsor fell through.
I believe the sticking point may have been the parameters of the signature frame model, as sueeywsh wants us to feel what he feels and release a frame to his exact specifications.
Designer wrist assists and cortex cream with the rolls royce logo could be coming soon though.
I believe the sticking point may have been the parameters of the signature frame model, as sueeywsh wants us to feel what he feels and release a frame to his exact specifications.
Designer wrist assists and cortex cream with the rolls royce logo could be coming soon though.
Qubax
Professional
OP didn't know what he didn't know.
I've been in hard good, footwear and apparel manufacturing for years and things never go as quickly or smoothly as you would first think. It's part of the learning process.
Also factories that make products for larger companies are not going to prioritize smaller, niche production runs and brands.
Not to say he won't be radically successful, but there were some red herrings at the ease to which the OP thought things would go.
I've been in hard good, footwear and apparel manufacturing for years and things never go as quickly or smoothly as you would first think. It's part of the learning process.
Also factories that make products for larger companies are not going to prioritize smaller, niche production runs and brands.
Not to say he won't be radically successful, but there were some red herrings at the ease to which the OP thought things would go.
thisiscrazy
Rookie
So, 15 months later, any updates on this company?
1HBHfanatic
Legend
-this almost sounds like DAHCOR tennis racquet!? you've seen these right?
celito
Professional
Your profile pic actually would have ben a good logo.
badmice2
Professional
ditto to this. People only chase Austria frames for its QA. But at this rate if you can replicate the layup, balance, and offers variety of weight. I think it would be a good sell. Look at Head and how they’re sort of going back to player frames.
16x19 and 18x20 option would also be good.
One Handed Dynasty
Semi-Pro
I really want to have a manufacturer give custom string pattern options. 16x19 and 18x20 are the two main camps, but why are we stopping there? 18x19 has been a game changer for Djokovic, and there’s a reason the 18x17 frames sold so well. The machine that drills the holes can have programs for infinitely different patterns, so it’s not like a Herculean effort is required to give me a 10x19 PS90.
mike schiffer
Semi-Pro
please don't forget the Kevlar!
what_army
Semi-Pro
Any updates? @s_andrean
Karma Tennis
Legend
It's not that simple. Different string patterns place different stresses on the hoop. Also changes other specifications including Racquet Balance, SW, etc. etc.
There is quite a bit of tech. research and testing involved in the design and development of every model. It's not simply a case of drilling holes.
One Handed Dynasty
Semi-Pro
That’s interesting I didn’t know that! I guess it makes sense why 18x20 and 16x19 dominate the market then. Do you know anything about how they make frames with more open patterns like the 93P 14x18?
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Anthony Kirk
New User
If I was designing my own tennis racquet from the ground up I would first look at the combination of materials in the racquet for structure and flexibility. Examples of this is what is the strongest and lightest material? What polymer would work best with that material. Examples that come to mind are Graphene, Kevlar, and Spectra. I would go for quality over all else, do it right or dont do it at all. There are so many items that go into designing, researching, and implementing everything needed in a racquet/apparel company.
Karma Tennis
Legend
Well you obviously don't !
thisiscrazy
Rookie
So, almost 36 months later, has anyone heard any updates on this new line of racquets?
ollinger
G.O.A.T.
perhaps there isn't new line; half of all new businesses fail in the first five years.
(and that was pre-pandemic; things have gotten considerably worse)
Booger
Hall of Fame
It costs 10x more than most people would guess. A single mold and tooling can be $100k+ by the time you're ready to start making production frames.
I do.
PistolPete23
Hall of Fame
Why do the samples look like they have Wilson's PWS?
Djokovicfan
Professional
Imagine thinking engineering a competitive racquet frame was this easy…
It is since you just need to copy what's already out there and add a personal twist to it.
Booger
Hall of Fame
Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Take an existing design, add your marketing "technology" to it, and get some pros to use it.
Djokovicfan
Professional
ok guys, in that case im going to go read “go dogs go” by dr suess so i can go engineer a car thats faster than a bugatti veyron. Ill just copy what they did in go dogs go and add a personal twist.
lol, you guys are like the kind of people who think you would easily be able to understand geometry even though you cant tell the difference between a square and a triangle. Learn some humility ladies. Engineering is something very few ppl can actually do.
Booger
Hall of Fame
I'm sure tennis racquet engineers have their own unique challenges, but it ain't exactly rocket surgery.
Bro I am dumb as a rock, but my professional background is in RnD manufacturing in the semiconductor industry and later the medical device industry. Next time you go in for surgery, take a good look at that class II anesthesia machine keeping you alive. Ol' booger might have helped with the prototypes. Let that sink in.
Djokovicfan
Professional
Are you saying that a team of you’s would be able to create this anaesthesia machine?
because if you could then nobody is going to believe you when you say you are dumb.
engineering school isnt hard. Its just hard if you are stupid.
if you really are dumb as a rock then whatever you contributed to the actual viability of your companies anesthesia machine was probably as trivial as what the paint color was.
Booger
Hall of Fame
kimguroo
Legend
I already predicted before. This project was too ambitious. Glad this was not crowdfunding form since many crowdfunding projects went bad (Either do not deliver items or making bad products.)
Manufacturing products are not an easy task. Quality controls, know-how, funding, marketing etc.. have to be there.
Djokovicfan
Professional
Yeah. Even if you think you have the right plans/blueprints to copy a previously engineered product, trying to successfully pull it off when your engineering illiterate is like going scuba diving with sharks while your bleeding. Its not going to end well.
Daniel Andrade
Hall of Fame
I don't?
Djokovicfan
Professional
This is definitely true for ppl who think anybody can do engineering.
its like somebody who says they find mathematics boring because they wanted to be rewarded by the teacher for their language based answer on the test that 2+2 should equal 5.
Depends if he actually intends to build the racquets himself. If an engineer and a woodworker examined a Maxply and tried to copy it, your money should be on the woodworker.
Karma Tennis
Legend
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