Impressive stretch of form over a period of time. (Nadal 08-09 related )

Benjamin Rio

Professional
You only see it when Djokovic plays well (and yes, he played great in 2011) but you refuse to see when Nadal plays great as well. Nadal in 2011 wasn't on his 2008-2009 level on clay, that is for sure. He was prime but not peak, I would say like that.

Nadal was amazing in 2011. He would have won his matches against Novak He would have won 3 slams 5 Ms 1000.

He lost to a better tennis olayer who just trashed him at the AO.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
The way Djokovic was playing in 2011 he probably would've beaten the 2008-9 version of Nadal as well.

Not sure I agree with this. I think their matches would've been closer if it was the Nadal of 08. I certainly believe he had already lost a step by 2011 .
IW and Miami went the distance, but probably Djokovic takes them against any Nadal on that form. But remember Miami was won on a tie break in the 3rd so that's how close it was.
I think peak 2008 Nadal beats any version of Djokovic on clay, and therefore wouldn't have lost Madrid and Rome.
I also believe Nadal was much better on grass in 08 than 2011, so that match would've been a lot closer. Djokovic won that fairly easily in 2011.
USO probably stays the same, as Nadal actually got better over the years there IMO.

But I think its ignorant to say 2011 Djokovic still beats 2008 Nadal anywhere.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Nadal's best 52 week period was MC 2008-Madrid 2009. Not within a calendar year, but objectively speaking this was his best period of play. Absolute peak Nadal on every surface.

It all ended when he lost to Soderling at the FO.

Wouldve been very interesting had he not met Soderling in that RG form. Though you probably would agree that Nadal was dead on his feet with all the tournaments he was playing, that a shock loss was coming somewhere. If it wasn't at RG 09, he would've probably withdrawn from Wimbledon regardless, or tasted his first early exit there since 2005.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Wouldve been very interesting had he not met Soderling in that RG form. Though you probably would agree that Nadal was dead on his feet with all the tournaments he was playing, that a shock loss was coming somewhere. If it wasn't at RG 09, he would've probably withdrawn from Wimbledon regardless, or tasted his first early exit there since 2005.
Yes, this loss changed his career. That being said Soderling deserves credit for this win IMO. That wasn't the best match Nadal played in his career but he was still good enough. I believe he would have won against any other player. This wasn't 2015 Nadal by any means.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Wouldve been very interesting had he not met Soderling in that RG form. Though you probably would agree that Nadal was dead on his feet with all the tournaments he was playing, that a shock loss was coming somewhere. If it wasn't at RG 09, he would've probably withdrawn from Wimbledon regardless, or tasted his first early exit there since 2005.
Most likely.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
Yes, this loss changed his career. That being said Soderling deserves credit for this win IMO. That wasn't the best match Nadal played in his career but he was still good enough. I believe he would have won against any other player. This wasn't 2015 Nadal by any means.

Oh, for sure. Theres a reason why Soderling went to the RG final twice. The guy was a beast on his day. Nadal had no answers for the way he was beaten that day.
 

Benjamin Rio

Professional
Not sure I agree with this. I think their matches would've been closer if it was the Nadal of 08. I certainly believe he had already lost a step by 2011 .
IW and Miami went the distance, but probably Djokovic takes them against any Nadal on that form. But remember Miami was won on a tie break in the 3rd so that's how close it was.
I think peak 2008 Nadal beats any version of Djokovic on clay, and therefore wouldn't have lost Madrid and Rome.
I also believe Nadal was much better on grass in 08 than 2011, so that match would've been a lot closer. Djokovic won that fairly easily in 2011.
USO probably stays the same, as Nadal actually got better over the years there IMO.

But I think its ignorant to say 2011 Djokovic still beats 2008 Nadal anywhere.

I wouldn't call it ignorant. Nadal had an amazing run in 2008 2009. However Fed had declined that year (losses to Fish Murray and many others) and Novak 2007 was not the Novak we got from 2011.

It's more form of the day with an edge to Fed and Novak who were invicible at their peak. ( number of weeks as number 1 etc etc)
 
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